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Surprised Chelsea pulled off this move given how highly rated he is right now. Wasn't impressed by him tbh from the little I saw sometime back.
 

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By the same logic same goes for Greenwood if/when you sign Sancho.
But we signed Ighalo on a loan to give Greenwood time to develop. Greenwood isnt even a wideman and he'll take over Ighalos duties when he leaves. Then he is after Martial's spot.
Its nothing alike.
 
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Giroud resigned and Chelsea only play with one center forward. Werner can play as a left or right forward, but Chelsea also has a lot of existing and incoming players for wide positions on the forward line. Werner isn't going to be transferred and paid to rotate, he's being paid to lock down a position that directly involves Abraham.

It's nice that Chelsea have finally started to incorporate their academy players within their first team set up if not starting XI, but Mount and Abraham, two of their early season purple patch kids, now have the youth narrative out the window. Pulisic isn't their youth player and with Ziyech and potentially Werner coming it. Is RLC going to be able to stay fit and compete with Kovacic, Barkley, CHO, Mount, etc.? Looks like Chelsea have one or two too many players who should seriously consider leaving to get more playing time and solidify their place in the young and competitive England senior team.
Mount has played every game this season bar a league cup game Vs Grimsby. According to club connected journo's we've abandoned pursuing Hakim due to James's emergence and have been more open to listening to offered for Jorginho since Gilmour has come in.
 

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Chelsea have done really well to get his deal over the line. They managed to get Ziyech for chump change and also add Werner whose top quality. I'm glad he isn't going to Liverpool but Chelsea have definitely done well despite the transfer window not even being open. United board being shit and useless as usual. The Sancho saga will drag on till we find the vaccine for Covid-19.
 

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By the same logic same goes for Greenwood if/when you sign Sancho.
Greenwood is a teenager with a clear role within the match day squad with a clear path to the starting XI in time. This is his first year of senior football and is being managed properly and isn't a right forward, he's a center forward who can play across the forward line. If Sancho was signed and it blocked Rashford, that'd be one thing.

Rashford/James, Martial/Ighalo, Sancho/Greenwood. In time, it would be Rashford/James, Martial/Greenwood, Sancho/X. That would be in 3/4 years time, when Mason is the current age of Abraham, 22/23.
 

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Yeah and we also paid a lot for Alisson & Van Dijk. Some of that was on agent fees as well. They were worth it obviously but it's having a negative impact on our budget now. We signed no one last summer and I wouldn't be surprised if did little in this window as well.

I do think our squad is in decent shape for the next couple of years though. We'll lose Lallana and probably Milner soon, possibly Lovren too. Our best players still have a good number of years in them though.
Obviously you guys are in the position of strength and VVD and Allison for Coutinho (effectively) was well worth it. A CL and PL to come. And your squad is in pretty decent shape.

But objectively, I'd be a little concerned if something significant isn't done this transfer window. The level you've been at for 24 months is fantastic, but how long can it carry on? City had 2 seasons at a phenomenal level and dropped off. Mentally, how long can a team keep that up? It's definitely one of Klopp's strengths, as it was Fergies. But Sir Alex said himself, you have to keep strengthening, tweaking the squad and it's best to do that from a position of strength.

My bet is the league evens out a bit next season. Hardly groundbreaking that I'm saying a team doesn't run away with it next year, I know. But with a slightly more even league, and seemingly Chelsea and United (hopefully) significantly strengthening, next season could be great.

Or City ramp it up again.
 

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I was worried when Liverpool wanted him because he'd slot into their system well with their inverted wingers. I just don't see him working out in Chelsea. I'm happy though that the premier league is filled with the best players old and young currently
 

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Chelsea have done really well to get his deal over the line. They managed to get Ziyech for chump change and also add Werner whose top quality. I'm glad he isn't going to Liverpool but Chelsea have definitely done well despite the transfer window not even being open. United board being shit and useless as usual. The Sancho saga will drag on till we find the vaccine for Covid-19.
How can you slating the United board at this time? They got everything done in the winter break. Chelsea spending isn't a surprise, it's just funny because everyone in the media was in love with their youth movement that only took a decade.
 

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Greenwoods been mainly playing on the wing right? Especially in the league.
He’s not a winger. We just don’t have anyone else to play there. As others have said, we’ve purposely got a striker on a short term deal not to block Greenwood’s development.
 

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In all seriousness, Klopp clearly wanted him and he wanted to join Liverpool so its a huge disappointment that he's going to Chelsea.

From a United perspective I wouldn't want him to join one of your challengers for fourth place though? This could push Chelsea in to title contenders next season.
 

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And if anyone hasn't realized, Chelsea is only 3 points ahead of United in the table...after United couldn't score two goals to save their life the first half of the season. And United have a better GD! Chelsea has shipped 39 goals, that's conceding at a midtable rate. United's defensive record, for all the shit it gets from its own fans, is top 4/5.

Werner to Chelsea is a good transfer, good for them. But they still need better players at the back and in goal, need to figure out their central midfield and what they want out of it because they are far too open too many times.
 

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Positives - not the Dippers and Chelsea likely not in for Sancho.

Negatives - missing out on a massive bargain and the dippers potentially entering the race for Sancho.
 

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In all seriousness, Klopp clearly wanted him and he wanted to join Liverpool so its a huge disappointment that he's going to Chelsea.

From a United perspective I wouldn't want him to join one of your challengers for fourth place though? This could push Chelsea in to title contenders next season.
Chelsea have zero title aspirations next year if they don't address their defense, goalkeeper situation, and their central midfield style of play.
 

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Get the feelings that these strikers who are predominantly number 9's but more than capable of playing out wide are going to be gold dust for the big teams in the next few years. This is excellent for Chelsea as I'm sure he will start as their first choice but if Abraham gets in and does well then they can keep him in the side with Werner without it causing too many issues in terms of the balance of the side. On top of that they have the option of Giroud! Perfect player for Chelsea unfortunately.
 

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Chelsea have done really well to get his deal over the line. They managed to get Ziyech for chump change and also add Werner whose top quality. I'm glad he isn't going to Liverpool but Chelsea have definitely done well despite the transfer window not even being open. United board being shit and useless as usual. The Sancho saga will drag on till we find the vaccine for Covid-19.
I’ve missed logging into RedCafe to read inane drivel about the board and our transfer business.
 

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Ziyech and Werner are top established players. Expecting some silky football and goals from them next season. So top three sealed next season then.

Who gets that fourth spot? Leicester? Spurs? Arsenal? Wolves? Utd? My money is on Leicester as long as Rodgers does not buy anyone (i.e. his committee do the buying alone).
 

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In all seriousness, Klopp clearly wanted him and he wanted to join Liverpool so its a huge disappointment that he's going to Chelsea.

From a United perspective I wouldn't want him to join one of your challengers for fourth place though? This could push Chelsea in to title contenders next season.
I'd imagine most of us are confident enough in our own squad not to have to worry about what other clubs are doing, especially if we sign Sancho.
 

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Obviously you guys are in the position of strength and VVD and Allison for Coutinho (effectively) was well worth it. A CL and PL to come. And your squad is in pretty decent shape.

But objectively, I'd be a little concerned if something significant isn't done this transfer window. The level you've been at for 24 months is fantastic, but how long can it carry on? City had 2 seasons at a phenomenal level and dropped off. Mentally, how long can a team keep that up? It's definitely one of Klopp's strengths, as it was Fergies. But Sir Alex said himself, you have to keep strengthening, tweaking the squad and it's best to do that from a position of strength.

My bet is the league evens out a bit next season. Hardly groundbreaking that I'm saying a team doesn't run away with it next year, I know. But with a slightly more even league, and seemingly Chelsea and United (hopefully) significantly strengthening, next season could be great.

Or City ramp it up again.
Yeah I don't disagree that standing still can leave you left behind, and you're right about next season I think. It wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea especially end up in better shape and pushing higher up the table. They normally have year or two off then push for the title again.

City did strengthen last summer though whilst we didn't, and they ended up dropping off. There's a number of factors at play here which will decide how teams do next season. We might end up benefiting more than others from the stability we have compared to others within our squad.
 

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Ziyech and Werner are top established players. Expecting some silky football and goals from them next season. So top three sealed next season then.

Who gets that fourth spot? Leicester? Spurs? Arsenal? Wolves? Utd? My money is on Leicester as long as Rodgers does not buy anyone (i.e. his committee do the buying alone).
What a rubbish baiting post.
 

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We’ve got Martial, Greenwood and Ighalo so we didn’t need Werner and to be honest if he was as good as some think then I don’t believe for a second Bayern wouldn’t have gone all out for him last summer or this one.

Now they’ve signed Ziyech and about to sign Werner it pretty much means we’ve got a free run at Sancho as Chelsea won’t have the money to sign Sancho as well now, I think we need to be pro active like Chelsea have been though in getting the Sancho deal done instead of letting it drag out until transfer deadline day like usual.
 

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I'd imagine most of us are confident enough in our own squad not to have to worry about what other clubs are doing, especially if we sign Sancho.
Yep that’s my thinking. We sign Sancho it’ll be a simple case of us being in charge of our destiny to have a great season, doesn’t matter about those around us.
 

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Ziyech and Werner are top established players. Expecting some silky football and goals from them next season. So top three sealed next season then.

Who gets that fourth spot? Leicester? Spurs? Arsenal? Wolves? Utd? My money is on Leicester as long as Rodgers does not buy anyone (i.e. his committee do the buying alone).
Cheeky dig at United, I’m sure :)

I think we are going to be pushing for top 2/3 next season. Got a lot of top quality players at just the right age. If we add Sancho we’re going to be right up there.
 

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Yep that’s my thinking. We sign Sancho it’ll be a simple case of us being in charge of our destiny to have a great season, doesn’t matter about those around us.
Some people seem to forget we strengthen massively with Bruno in January at a fantastic price. He's also hit the ground running and looks every bit built for the PL.

It's great praising Chelsea but United's business has been brilliant lately in my opinion and has set us up nicely for the next season and beyond.
 

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This entire forum seems to be making Sancho out to be prime Real Madrid CR7. Like he's going to instantly make you guys favorites to win the CL next season.

I get you guys are excited, but sheesh! The pressure on him is going to be absolutely immense with such expectations.
 

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Some people seem to forget we strengthen massively with Bruno in January at a fantastic price. He's also hit the ground running and looks every bit built for the PL.

It's great praising Chelsea but United's business has been brilliant lately in my opinion and has set us up nicely for the next season and beyond.
Based on how squads are currently looking I'd say Liverpool and City are the favorites for the title next season, with United & Chelsea as outsiders but I'd expect both to be in next seasons top four at least. I do think Leicester will be up there too. I'm not convinced Arsenal or Spurs will be anywhere near for now.
 

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He's a stark contrast to the actual decent Liverpool fans in this thread.
Tell me one thing you don't agree with in my post?

Chelsea will be sexy to watch? Check
Top three will be as I said? Check, unless you think Ole has other ideas gatecrashing top three?
Fourth spot can go to any team I mentioned, including Utd. Check. My money is on Leicester (my opinion only? Check)

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