I'm surprised killing in the name of hasn't become a little more anthemic around these protests given its subject matter and chorus
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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but it went to number 1 here to beat x factor at xmas
I’d have gone with Take the Power Back myself. Perfect for the moment.
“The present curriculum, I put my fist in 'em
Eurocentric, every last one of 'em
See right through the red, white, and blue disguise
With lecture I puncture the structure of lies
Installed in our minds and attempting to hold us back
We've got to take it back
Holes in our spirit causing tears and fears
One-sided stories for years and years and years
I'm inferior? Who's inferior?
Yeah, we need to check the interior
Of the system that cares about only one culture
And that, is why we gotta take the power back”
Yeah, RATM always pretty clever when it comes to lyrics. One of my favourites;
WAKE UP!
WAKE UP!
WAKE UP!
WAKE UP!
WAKE UP!
WAKE UP!
WAKE UP!
WAKE UP!
WAKE UP!
WAKE UP!
WAKE UP!
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Very enlightening. I'm glad you cleared that up.
Gonna go listen to this now
Quality control
Serj Tankian, the vocalist of System of a Down, recently had to tell people to basically feck off if they don't appreciate the band members making political statements. Imagine listening to System of a Down and thinking it's not political.
The one in omagh was cancelled because they got wind police were ordered to arrest everyone.
Its coming from up on high
The protests are now about far more than police violence or the kind of racism you are referring to which is overt and immediate i.e. a verbal or physical attack. They are about implicit, systemic and institutional racism, which sets the stage for a lifetime of oppression and glass ceilings by default. A ceiling generation after generation after generation have had to endure with no rest-bite or reparation.
Then you can add racial profiling, stigmatisation, suspicion and a host of stereotypes practically the entire globe have had threaded into them for centuries (from the same source) that have proliferated the subconscious and demonised a people to the point it's considered normal to think of 'them' in that way.
There's an irony to the constant chimes of 'pandemic' being thrown out in page after page of this thread, as posters seem oblivious to the other pandemic that supersedes Covid-19 by centuries and 10's of millions of lives. One dwarfs the other in lives claimed and horrors endured and as incomprehensible as it might seem to some, is far more of a priority to many than the relative short-term effects and fallout from Covid-19. The protests are an annoyance or concern for some relative to their own life experience, for others, it's a cause they are prepared to give everything for.
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He's been suggesting people watch some ridiculous videos the past few months including the plandemic one
Or perhaps just go full on krs with woop woop its the sound of the police... woop woop its the sound of the beast
What are peoples thoughts on the idea of White Privilege? As far as I can tell it's a bit of a poor term to describe the problems of racism. Not that privilege doesn't exist, but this term makes me very uncomfortable. It basically says if you are white, you are the cause of the problem, which is nonsense.
Oh that was him as well? I'd forgotten who that was.
I'm not sure how you ended up with that conclusion. It's simply describe the fact that if you are white, you have an innate privilege in society compared to minorities.
Whats the end game
I think army on the street ending the protests in a hail or tanks and gunfire is unlikely
Equally allowing the protests to continue till they burn themselves out seems unlikely as well
So somewhere in the middle there will have to be something that gives both sides a reasonable negotiating position
Trump clearly won't resign before the election and I don't think the protesters will accept wait till November and cast a vote
There seems to be a lot of talk about "defund the police" which from what I can see is a very broad church ranging from demilitarised police with extra spent on community projects to abolish the existing force and start a new apparatus in its place.
Is there anywhere in that broad church a compromise could be found... and are police budgets a federal or state issue anyway?
I've always learned that a good negotiation means both parties typically walk away a little unhappy as they didn't achieve all of their goals... but happy enough that overall the end game good enough ... but with seemingly quite vague and decentralised demands... entrenched positions and multiple stakeholder groups im struggling to see who even negotiates with whom let alone the format and positions that could reach an agreement?
I think army on the street ending the protests in a hail or tanks and gunfire is unlikely
Equally allowing the protests to continue till they burn themselves out seems unlikely as well
So somewhere in the middle there will have to be something that gives both sides a reasonable negotiating position
Trump clearly won't resign before the election and I don't think the protesters will accept wait till November and cast a vote
There seems to be a lot of talk about "defund the police" which from what I can see is a very broad church ranging from demilitarised police with extra spent on community projects to abolish the existing force and start a new apparatus in its place.
Is there anywhere in that broad church a compromise could be found... and are police budgets a federal or state issue anyway?
I've always learned that a good negotiation means both parties typically walk away a little unhappy as they didn't achieve all of their goals... but happy enough that overall the end game good enough ... but with seemingly quite vague and decentralised demands... entrenched positions and multiple stakeholder groups im struggling to see who even negotiates with whom let alone the format and positions that could reach an agreement?
That’s not what the term means at all. It means if you are white, you have more opportunities than black people and other minorities, and no one blames you for that; you can’t choose your ethnicity.
If you acknowledge you have white privilege and do something to change it, you’re part of the solution not the problem. It’s all about acknowledgement
Wow.
That Twitter also handle posted a clip of a black man decking an elderly black man for supposedly supporting trump. Not sure if it's genuine. But as expected there would be nutjobs on each side.
That isn't what it says at all.
It's about getting people to recognize that their reality isn't everyone's reality.
If it's not pointed out, those of us who've never had to deal with this stuff can merrily wander around blissfully unaware that there is anything wrong because 'I'm alright Jack'.
I don't believe it's about apportioning blame. Rather it's an attempt to get people to realise that they are benefitting from an unequal system because if it's going to change it needs buy in from the privileged.
The name of the band is Rage Against the Machine. It really doesn't get more direct and obvious...
Seen a tweet about some MAGA gathering blasting Born in the USA on speakers which is just...
Defund the police
Surely it's the way to go... Jeezus.Yea 99 percent certain. I think there was anothet video in the covid thread as well that he got slated for
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I had about 9 fingers left.
No chance with trump at the helm. Any normal potus would feign symphaty, took a knee, promised changes, pretend to change, and it'll all be forgotten in a year.
With Trump? He'll only double down.
But i believe personally these things are just somehow meant to happened. Kinda like when god strengthen Pharaoh's resolve to send him 7 plagues.
A very big change is happening before our eyes.
What are the demands of the protestors? Defunding of the police makes sense if they're over funded but isn't the real solution voting Trump out of power and demanding police reforms?
I don't like it. It implies that I've had a helping had in my life based on the colour of my skin. I'm a normal working class person. I've had no helping hand. Its a blanket statement.
What's the point of posting this?
I thought we had to have some commentary. That Twitter account is mostly far right propaganda from what I can see.
Is that footage the aftermath of these protest and if so is it one area or cherry picked from the whole country?
Trump didn't invent police brutality and racism, I don't see what's getting him out of office would achieve on this front.
Regarding defunding the police or demonizing it, I think that it's worth mentioning that it's a terrible idea and totally misses the point of what activists in poor communities have been advocating for. The police needs to be present in these communities, in a positive way, in a way that makes people feel safe, they need their protection from criminals who tend to prey on the poorer communities and feed a vicious circle with entrepreneurs, jobs, people who manage to succeed and middle classes households leaving these areas which increases the gap between these communities and the rest of the population.
It also could be the police station they burnt down, which I have 0 complaints about.
No, it implies that you don’t get shat on because of the colour of your skin. You’ve probably never had a job application rejected because your name ‘sounds black’.
Anyone saying this has no idea what white privilege means.
It may not seem that you've had a helping hand but you've likely not had the hindrances that an ethnic minority has had.
A fair society where black, white and other ethnic people are treated the same way? How is that so hard to understand?
You're right on the first part of course, but it would surely be a prerequisite.
I’m working class too, but the difficult truth is that in comparison to a black working class person we have had an advantage. It doesn’t feel like it when you see all the advantages that wealth and class give people, but being black in any wealth/class band puts you at an immediate disadvantage in a number of ways. That’s all white privilege means.
and Feck you I'm not doing my homework. Disney punk at it's best.
Well there needs to be a better buzz word, because it just comes across as racist in itself and ends up in push back from privileged people. I'm not denying privilege exists but it's pretty complicated, historically race was a huge issue and there's a big hangover from that in terms of wealth etc. I think it is less about race now than it was and more about life chances.
yeh, it's just a really poor term I think. Maybe the sentiment is well meant.
You did not just diss RATM...
yeh, I do agree with this - I guess my beef is with the phrase itself. I don't have the answer but I think it could be pitched a lot better.
I tend to agree, although I wonder if making us feel uncomfortable is perhaps part of the point.
If you say so. Personally I think it’s pretty succinct and thought provoking if you take the time to educate yourself as to its meaning as opposed to automatically assuming it’s an attack on yourself.