And the Maguire threads go crazy too.
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This one has posters saying Maguire is clearly better because Soyuncu made a mistake, as if Maguire doesn't and hasnt even recently made mistakes
Soyuncu has made several mistakes this season. Maguire has alot of other qualities that Soyuncu lacks.
So has Maguire.
No, people are saying it because they have eyes. It's nothing to do with yesterday.
It's a deserved red. Ref sees it clear as day.
Even if it's a retaliation to Wilson(?) pushing. Kicking back = red.
I think he would just get a yellow if he push Wilson back instead.
Even if it's a retaliation to Wilson(?) pushing. Kicking back = red.
I think he would just get a yellow if he push Wilson back instead.
I know you have an agenda against Maguire, but he is the better player. Throughout the season he has been better.
The same way you are saying the thread is gone mental, alot of Maguire haters were on the Maguire thread even when we were playing well.
We have conceded 6 goals in last 16 games or something and there are fans saying our defence is rubbish.
Now's a good time to say it. He's very overrated.
The whole Leicester team is. Chilwell being at the top of this proverbial pyramid.
The whole Leicester team is. Chilwell being at the top of this proverbial pyramid.
Bailly is nothing like this guy.
Soyuncu is far more than rash, his issues seem to extend far further than that. I am surprised he has not received more red cards already, this is probably the 10th incident of this kind I have seen him involved in; in other words he is a full on mental liability.
Ndidi and Vardy are fairly rated. The rest though are massively overrated.
They over-performed during the first half of this season. Easy to over-rate players when that happened.
Except Vardy (performing as usual).
I'll give you that.
Yep. Took the words right out of my keyboard.
They have some good players like Ndidi and Vardy tbf is very good and super consistent. I rate Soyuncu as a good PL player who has the potential to get better. Who knows how good he can become, but he has certainly been overrated at times. Chilwell and Pereira are also good full backs and could easily play for a top four team.
The one I find ridiculously overrated though is Maddison. He's alright like but the 50m to 70m transfer fee being touted for him is utter insanity.
Soyuncu is still a good defender though.
I can see him improving more in the future with more experiences playing in this league so maybe can be better than Mag then.
Currently overall Maguire is better imo, and Mag suits us more at the moment. Other than improve in goal stats with Bruno's deliveries, I can't see Mag improving more.
We know Mag's limitations -- agility and 1vs1 against some type of attackers. I don't think Soyuncu have that problems but his problems are possibly more onto.. rashness, temperament, maybe 1vs1 against players with strength (?) and possibly in the air when defending + lacking aerial threats during set-piece (haven't seen enough Leicester game). Mag is less likely to make risks play than Soy therefore making less mistakes. Both still do and I question their quick decisions makings at times.
I can see him improving more in the future with more experiences playing in this league so maybe can be better than Mag then.
Currently overall Maguire is better imo, and Mag suits us more at the moment. Other than improve in goal stats with Bruno's deliveries, I can't see Mag improving more.
We know Mag's limitations -- agility and 1vs1 against some type of attackers. I don't think Soyuncu have that problems but his problems are possibly more onto.. rashness, temperament, maybe 1vs1 against players with strength (?) and possibly in the air when defending + lacking aerial threats during set-piece (haven't seen enough Leicester game). Mag is less likely to make risks play than Soy therefore making less mistakes. Both still do and I question their quick decisions makings at times.
A few posters on here have a real famine and feast approach to players based on their last few games.
Always felt this way. I think they are very well managed football club, on and off the pitch. But many for some reason, many here pretended their team and squad was as good as /better than ours, which is complete nonsense.
People were trying to pretend Wolves and Leicester had better players than us. Strange times.
Emotions were running high with how badly our season was going, but it was absolutely mental seeing people posting combined 11's that had 6-7 Leicester/Wolves players in
Two actually..
But didn't kick anyone.
Adnan just chases trends. Desperate to seem like a top scout, he is. Doesn't actually pay attention to how players play, just the hype behind them. Evans has been better than Soyuncu this season, that ain't in doubt. But Evans isn't a "hype" player so he's shockingly bad to Adnan.
Prime example of a player talked up because he plays for a side who go under the radar. Soon as the spotlight has been on Leicester he has been noticeably dodgy.
As much as I think the likes of Phil Jones and Chris Smalling are not very good (in the context of the standard required), they have suffered disproportionately because their entire careers have been played under the spotlight
As much as I think the likes of Phil Jones and Chris Smalling are not very good (in the context of the standard required), they have suffered disproportionately because their entire careers have been played under the spotlight
True. But again, Keane, Beckham, Rooney - Ibrahimovic would kick his own teammates in the head while they are having interviews post match
Its obviously not rubbish. Not seeing people who say its rubbish.
16 games is less than half a season
Soyuncu and Leicester's defense have been better than ours for 2/3 of the season. We're in added ball multi covid time and we started the best out of all the teams in the league and they didnt. Its as simple as that
Ok thought we were having a discussion about Soyuncu and Harry.. Zlatan doesn't count he isn't a human according to himself.
they had only conceded 2 less than us when the league was stopped. Not hugely better.
I said this too at the time when we played Fred, Pereira and Lingard in mid; it's much worse then Ndidi, Tielemans and Maddison. With Pogba back and Bruno we are better.
I still remember the argument with Wolves fan here, he said the have better players, so I asked simple question. If you guys have better players, you guys are still below us in the table. Does that mean Ole is much better manager than Nuno?
His reply was "lol yeah hope Manutd retain Ole for long time"
People don't understand the level of expectations. Wolves players playing the same way for ManUtd would mean they are not good enough, same for many Leicester players.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/is-...utd-are-right-now.452944/page-2#post-25211285
Check this link.
Come off it, yes it is; obviously so.
Pogba and Bruno are obviously considerably better than anything they have, although I'd fancy Ndidi would run Matic close for a start at the base of our midfield.
Edit: Whoops, ignore me. I can't read.
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The point being we bought Bruno after people thought Leicester had a better team of players than us. Thats why we were the biggest spenders in Jan and our season was kick started by his signing.
I have to admit I entirely misread the post I was replying to and thought it was saying the opposite.
They haven't been better. The stats show that Schmeichal has been bailing them out. He has the highest save percentage in the league. After Allison he's the best keeper in the league against his xGA. Leicesters xGA as a team is 9 worse than their total at 45 goals. United's is 34 and the best in the league before we play tonight.
Yeah I'm sure save percentage came into the game against Bournemouth where he kicked the ball straight at his own player and gave away a chance for the opposition to make a comeback
Soyuncu has been much better than Kasper
Soyuncu and Leicester also had most of their key players fit for 2/3 of the season. We are in added ball or whatever way you want to dress it, a more consistent line up = better team.
No, actually go back and check their results pre lockdown, they have only had a good 1/2 season.
Well they are not saying rubbish but how many people have said Lindelof isnt good enough? Shaw isnt good enough? Maguire isnt good enough?
We have one of the best defences in the league at the moment.
We do. One of.
It depends what people are talking about when they say players arent good enough. Lindelof has shown he can be part of a good defense, though he isnt the reason it is a good defense. If we wanted an even tighter defense so we can compete for the title and go far in the champions league then yes, we can do a lot better than Lindelof.
If we're content with joint 2nd best defensive record, still a level behind the Smalling and Jones defense of 17/18 and 3rd place in the league then hes fine.
Its one moment in one game.Yeah I'm sure save percentage came into the game against Bournemouth where he kicked the ball straight at his own player and gave away a chance for the opposition to make a comeback
Soyuncu has been much better than Kasper
The data predicted this. Their form was unsustainable against the historic averages of their outperformance of xG and xGA. I always knew there'd be a correction but didn't think it would be this hard.
https://understat.com/league/EPL
I don't think anyone is saying we are content, a quick defender to win the league is required.
You keep going on about this 17/18 season. If we played like that all season, I am sure we would beat that record, the fact that we defended with 6 men back line, 3 in midfield and 1 up top.
Jose does not attack. It is completely pointless comparing 2 different playing styles. We still attack when we are 1-0, a Jose team would shut up shop.
Yeah it predicted covid, good one