Harry Maguire involved in incident with police in Greece - conviction nullified by appeal, full retrial pending

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Yeah I know all that, I meant in the context of this case specifically.
Ahh my bad. My argument was that we have empirical evidence of corruption being quite high in Greece, whereas, outside of this recent occurrence, we don't have any such evidence of Maguire being the type to go on the piss and smack cops.
 

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I think if you do deep due diligence on every possible tourist destination you will most certainly find crime and such schemes everywhere. Including Manchester. Probably best for him not to leave his house at all. Ever. Only wait for a club vehicle to pick him up to go to training and to matches.

Not saying that I believe the story or Maguire's version.
Why hasn’t any other PL player had a similar incident this summer then?
 

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I was trying to quickly think of a scenario where the charges are different to what actually happened, thought I done rather well haha!

Calm down my lad, I hope just like you that those versions of events are true but I'm just looking at it from an outside point of view and any clubs captain of player of note being arrested and charged abroad would be a bad look.

Doesn't mean it's right nor just but thats just how things are in the world today the same way any CEO or executive level employee being caught in legal trouble will reflect poorly on their company/employer regardless of how just they are in whatever actions led to said legal trouble.

Heck that applies even for regular people like us, we probably wouldn't even be allowed to plead our case before getting reprimanded by our employers if ever we were charged with an offense
It’s tough because the reasons behind the initial confrontation could be justified if they turn out to be true.

For a general person like us, I’d like to think that the company would put you on leave until the facts are out, but we both know that, that won’t happen.

I personally don’t like how the actions of an employee should reflect badly on the company, a company isn’t a manager of their employees actions outside of work or hold their hand every waking moment of the day. An incident happens and its down to the company to react based on how they want their employees to act, if they don’t fall in line, then act accordingly. But the actions affect the employees status at the company, not the company itself.

The club should act appropriately, do I think he should be sacked. No. Do I think he should be stripped of the captaincy? Temporarily. Yes. MUFC is reknowned for wanting their players to be squeaky clean. That being said, I don’t think this incident reflects badly on the club.

I may be talking myself round to seeing it on a different light as if you take the band off him, in effect i’m agreeing with you as by taking it off him, it’s saying “it makes the club look bad”

Should he go straight back into the squad. That one is on Ole.

Put him in shows you are backing him & face media scrutiny for backing a “thug”

Put him on the bench, shows you dispute his version of events and are effectively punishing him and don’t believe him.
 

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I can guarantee if my employer, or almost anyone’s employer for that matter, found out I’d been found guilty of aggravated assault, repeated bribery and resisting arrest, either here or in any country, I’d be at least suspended from duties until any kind of appeal process has finished and an outcome reached.

I am not trying to claim he must be guilty of all offences, and certainly there could be corruption at play here. But the club has to act accordingly with the verdict we currently have.
I can guarantee you that not waiting for the appeal to proceed properly is not normal. Especially when you are informed 2 hours before the trial of what the charges are, etc... nobody can defend properly in that situation. I am sure you understand that part. It's a very serious issue! 2 hours to review the charges? It's laughable.

Anyway, United should and will wait for the appeal. It's the proper way of handling legal proceedings.
 

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not telling the defence what the charges are or what the evidence is until just before the trial and the lawyer crying on TV about how it would have gone away with an apology. Honestly, what a shitty little joke of a nation, cnuts.
I've never heard of an arrest and conviction all within 48 hours like this, except maybe in ancient times.
 

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Cause that's likely to happen is it ?
What part, because the first part I'm just curious what would happen.
Cause the Greek authority would have no power over here.

And as for the Winter stuff. feck him, with that attitude.
But United should make a statement fully defending Harry and confirming he will still be the captain as everyone, including the club believe what he says
 

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I know people get in trouble. What I don't agree with is the notion that it's something that's bound to happen if you go out. People who haven't had negative experiences with the police on a night out don't necessarily lead sheltered lives, as you like to believe. They're just not dicks. But carry on thinking it's just par for the course.
And stop saying everyone's a sheltered, sensitive flower ffs.
People who have never been in trouble with the police can easily get caught up in situations that could be dealt with by the police sensibly but instead get out of hand.
 

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His lawyer asked to delay the trial because they didn’t even tell him what they were charging Harry with until 2 hours before the trial. Harry has been stitched up here, the Greek justice system is a joke.

The charges were reported once he was arrested . We have all known what the charges were they went to court the next day to get charged
 

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You’re having a nightmare in this thread, I’d go lie down for a bit if I were you.
I'll create a player performance thread for his Prison United FC days just for you.

I'm not defending the guy that assaulted people, resisted arrest and repeatedly tried to bribe police and I'm having a nightmare. Right. He's the one that has made the club look terrible yet some fans are ready to have a blind eye for "their captain."
 

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Good on the club acknowledging this sham of a trial.
 

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You're using a lot of strong langauge without knowing a lot of how proceedings run in a fair trial
Has he not been convicted in court? What language have I used that’s not applicable :confused: I actually studied law, though admittedly it wasn’t criminal law :wenger:
 

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I know people get in trouble. What I don't agree with is the notion that it's something that's bound to happen if you go out. People who haven't had negative experiences with the police on a night out don't necessarily lead sheltered lives, as you like to believe. They're just not dicks. But carry on thinking it's just par for the course.
And stop saying everyone's a sheltered, sensitive flower ffs.
This. Most people I know have never had any interaction with the police and most likely never will either. Hey, maybe we Scandinavians just live sheltered lives?:smirk:
 

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Admittedly, I'm trying to catch up with this news of him being found guilty.

So, it's reported that his sister was injected with something, and then he had a confrontation with the police. I'm just trying to connect the dots. Can somebody enlighten me the bits between Event A and Event B? Can't seem to find a decent news link.
 

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People on here seem to be in 2 very distinct camps without any middle ground.

The "sack him" what a disgrace types, and the "this is clearly a joke" camp.
The internet seems to always default into two different diehard camps. On any bleeding subject.
 

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Their justice system is a joke and rubbish, we know that.

How come Maguire is letting this happened though. Don't give them easy reasons to use charge you. It's good that he is fighting back. Prevention is better though.

What is the actual story?
Why fight when it is easier to go away. I get pride/ego is always there. You're in foreign country and if you make troubles, you're get charges easily. Maybe in england, culturally fighting is normal so maybe there is leniency when the authorities are involved... I don't know, but in different country, behave well and away from any troubles is always best.
 

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Where are those three lawyers who 'acted' for us in the Herrera transfer when you need them.

He may well be guilty but he may well also have pretty good reasons if the stuff about his sister is true.

The problem is putting yourself in these situations in the first place. Just dont go out in these sh1t holes in first place, simple as. Or even stay at home like the rest of the us during covid.
 

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This. Most people I know have never had any interaction with the police and most likely never will either. Hey, maybe we Scandinavians just live sheltered lives?:smirk:
Well that does explain alot. Scandanavia being one of the safest places in the world. Beautiful region too.

I'd imagine any interaction with police over there would be much more pleasant anyway.

The UK/EU unfortunately, is far far from it.
 

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I know people get in trouble. What I don't agree with is the notion that it's something that's bound to happen if you go out. People who haven't had negative experiences with the police on a night out don't necessarily lead sheltered lives, as you like to believe. They're just not dicks. But carry on thinking it's just par for the course.
And stop saying everyone's a sheltered, sensitive flower ffs.
Agreed.
 

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He's got a massive head on his neck
They wanted cash but he offered a cheque
At least for a change it wasn't Shrek
He's the got the whole world as a head
 

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Manchester United captain Harry Maguire has been given a suspended sentence of 21 months and 10 days in prison after his trial on the Greek island of Syros.

The England defender, 27, was found guilty of repeated bodily harm, attempted bribery, violence against public employees and insult after arrest on Mykonos.

Maguire said after Tuesday's verdict that he had instructed his legal team "with immediate effect to inform the courts we will be appealing".

"I remain strong and confident regarding our innocence in this matter - if anything myself, family and friends are the victims," he added.

The sentence is suspended for three years because it is a first offence and the charges were misdemeanours.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53903703
 

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Where are those three lawyers who 'acted' for us in the Herrera transfer when you need them.

He may well be guilty but he may well also have pretty good reasons if the stuff about his sister is true.

The problem is putting yourself in these situations in the first place. Just dont go out in these sh1t holes in first place, simple as. Or even stay at home like the rest of the us during covid.
They would have gone to the wrong courthouse.
 
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