Harry Maguire involved in incident with police in Greece - conviction nullified by appeal, full retrial pending

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You make the law look that easy which is not.

Just because they have different approach to justice system doesn't mean it is wrong. And how many times have you seen injustice accure in "our" justice system. Plenty of times. So before going all in against Greece, we might look at our system.
Injustice is not part of the system, it´s failures following the system. You cannot seriously mean there are better systems out there to secure your rights as a civilian. Where?
 

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I agree with all of this, from the very beginning I've been thinking this was all very avoidable and why the feck was he in such a public and evidently dodgy location. Especially during a pandemic.
Exactly. It seems bloody obvious to me. Shouldn't have put himself in that situation.

I don't doubt the legal proceedings were dodgy as feck. And the case may have been exaggerated against him.

But anyone defending him does not know what it means to be a professional and captain of Manchester United in 2020.
 

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Please learn to read. I'm talking about the website which is the general Home page, not the UK one. I don't watch TV nowadays, so your point is irrelevant.
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Oh the irony of telling someone to learn how to read when you are talking about a British channel and website and are not using the U.K one, exactly what I said you are doing.:houllier:

It's the second story on the homepage for people in the U.k...
 
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I know people are going on about United, but there have been numerous players who have been pictured pissed in public bars this summer. Also there are probably numerous United footballers who were pissed when they entered the field playing for United in the past.
In the past, not during a global pandemic. And recently, not getting in fights with police, getting arrested and convicted for fecking bribery.

Pointing the finger and shouting "but someone else did it too" is not an excuse. He is not a child and should know he is captain for one of the biggest clubs in the World. It comes with responsibility.
 

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If the story anout him defending his Sister is True then he is my hero. This is what a man does.

Not sure how i feel about other stuff which is being said.

Anyhow as a fan i stand by Harry.

If she was drugged surely she should tested to prove it?
 

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That isn't all his bill it was shared between a number of friends and other celebrities.
But the so called "biased" (in Maguire 's favour) English media gave the impression that was Maguire s bill. With some dimwits assuming he drank 2 bottles of champagne, 3 bottles of Jack Daniels and the rest of the stuff :)
 

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But the so called "biased" (in Maguire 's favour) English media gave the impression that was Maguire s bill. With some dimwits assuming he drank 2 bottles of champagne, 3 bottles of Jack Daniels and the rest of the stuff :)
I wouldn't be able to stand up nevermind have a fight with the police.
 

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What was the point in selecting him and then dropping him from the squad?


Southgate said this before selecting him


So by dropping him, he is basically calling Maguire a liar. I wonder if he will ever play for England again
 
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Injustice is not part of the system, it´s failures following the system. You cannot seriously mean there are better systems out there to secure your rights as a civilian. Where?
I'm not saying there are. Or aren't. Just saying that we should not be attacking their justice system as some of our fans do.
 

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Apart from anything else, I can't understand how he's allowed by the club to go a party island given Covid can seriously impact his health, even if that possibility is tiny.

This whole episode sounds like something the local idiot would do, not because of what actually happened but because it was avoidable altogether.
 

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I was once arrested in Magaluf for throwing a tomato at a burger King window and I was never stripped of the Man United captaincy.
I´m totally with you bro. It´s really annoying when they are out of ketchup, and you obviously just tried to help out. Bastards.
 

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Well John Terry never played for England after it was proved he was a racist. Wait a minute...
 

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Apart from anything else, I can't understand how he's allowed by the club to go a party island given Covid can seriously impact his health, even if that possibility is tiny.

This whole episode sounds like something the local idiot would do, not because of what actually happened but because it was avoidable altogether.
Everywhere is a party destination if you look for it.

Maguire was evidently at a fine dining establishment that sold expensive bottles of vintage wine. It wasn't a Wetherspoons or an Ibiza nightclub. He was doing anything but partying.

Rashford and Williams reportedly went to the same island.
 

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Can a mod please add yellow text to this thread to explain that the £63k drinking spree was on another night, with a group of celebs, mostly food and two champagne bottles, Harry paid a fraction of it cause he drank beers.
Mykonos has been the most popular vacation spot for PL players and celebs this summer, so not just a random brit lad trip decision.
His sister was (allegedly) attacked first and they were defending themselves, not realizing it was plain clothed police in a stressful situation.
Greece is widely considered to have corruption problems, with sources linked several times here.
Defense was hardly given time to prepare, plus denied several pieces of evidence to be used.


Tired of seeing this have to be explained on every page to someone coming straight from a Sun article.
 

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Why are you ignoring the claim that his sister was targetted by criminals and they for the most part believed they were defending themselves?

Should they just let someone kidnap his sister because they don't wanna be impolite guests?
These are not being judged at the court in this case. Would be a case against the Albanians. Maguire is being judged for his alleged actions.

I thought this guy has a balanced view on it.

 

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Coincidentally, I know a little about Greece and its culture as my brother was married to a Greek and lived their for over 10 years. I’ve been there a zillion times and experienced a lot of the Greeks and their culture.
I’m not denying that in general the Greeks have, let’s say, liberal values with regards to back handers and such. (But then again, you could say the same about Belgium for example.) Tax evasion was even a national sport in Greece. However, where does it say that their juridical system is a sham or that their police force is corrupt? Corruption can take on many forms, in some countries their governments award massive contracts to to their ‘mates’ to supply PPE...
 

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Ino, Southgate’s a wanker for dropping him it’s as if he’s made it all about him having to make the hard decision.
 

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I´ve seen clip before, and I still don´t get the relevance between the two clips. Maguire was wearing white pants, and I don´t see anyone wearing white pants in that scuffle.
It puzzled me. Also he looks drunk in the first bit, but actually seems to keeping out of the way.
 

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Coincidentally, I know a little about Greece and its culture as my brother was married to a Greek and lived their for over 10 years. I’ve been there a zillion times and experienced a lot of the Greeks and their culture.
I’m not denying that in general the Greeks have, let’s say, liberal values with regards to back handers and such. (But then again, you could say the same about Belgium for example.) Tax evasion was even a national sport in Greece. However, where does it say that their juridical system is a sham or that their police force is corrupt? Corruption can take on many forms, in some countries their governments award massive contracts to to their ‘mates’ to supply PPE...
If you click on the first link and expand the categories below you will see that they consider the Judiciary system to be at High risk for corruption, while Police is at Moderately High (the two highest ratings they have).
 

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What was the point in selecting him and then dropping him from the squad?


Southgate said this before selecting him


So by dropping him, he is basically calling Maguire a lier. I wonder if he will ever play for England again
It´s never Southgate´s decision alone, but rather the association wanting to make a statement. So, statement made. I bet next time he´ll be back in the squad.
 

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I´ve seen clip before, and I still don´t get the relevance between the two clips. Maguire was wearing white pants, and I don´t see anyone wearing white pants in that scuffle.
For me, I was demonstrating that Maguire looked drunk in the first clip. There are longer versions of that clip on twitter if you seek it out.

The second clip is hard to make a conclusion from.
 

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The weird thing about the narrative on Greece's corruption is that.. if it were corrupt, wouldn't the bribe have been taken and this whole thing just gone away? The biggest leverage you have as a corrupt player is to have the story disappear.

Now that it's a suspended sentence, the incentives here are completely different and the sums don't get larger or more guaranteed.

I just want to note that for all Keane's fire and temper, we didn't get anything at this scale. This is not good.
 
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