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They're too expensive. Get a
The mental gymnastics people do lolThe fact we've not had a RW for so many years is now Ole's fault?
They're too expensive. Get a
The mental gymnastics people do lolThe fact we've not had a RW for so many years is now Ole's fault?
The need for director of football/recruitment specialist is painfully obvious.This was our best chance, of late, to close the gap on the top two.
Instead, teams below and around us have strengthened their first team, while we added maybe one player that will slot into the first XI. Telles. Maybe.
Ole has been shafted, much the same as Mourinho was in his final year.
The board seems to invest just enough for us to be in the top 4, as challenging for titles is seen bad from a financial standpoint as it costs much more to build a team capable of that. We achieved top 4, miraculously, last season - so why would the board think we need to invest heavily? I get the feeling we'd have spent more money on transfers, had we not made top 4, than if we did - as crazy as that sounds.
Umm Frank Lampard?Does anyone think any manager gets 100% of their 1st targets or something?
This is so true, anyone not blaming Woodward/the board is living in cloud cookoo land.You don't think that if your primary targets aren't met, especially as they will all improve immediately the first XI or challenge for a first XI spot, then you would communicate that and the reasons why as soon as possible so you manage expectations internally and externally.
Also, those are the exact type of signings United needed to make to close the gap. VDB instead of Grealish, fine. Telles instead of Regulion, fine. But there was a CB and RF on that list and they were immediate first XI or on the verge of first XI positions for years to come. Cavani isn't really a RF and he's a very short term solution. United signed a teenager as a CB, who immediate goes into the U23 team and is behind Mengi and Tuanzebe who are technically first team players. And Traore and Pellestri are long term projects, not even close to being first XI players or reliable bench players.
To that, these discussions of transfer targets have been going on for months before the actually window. So if you fecking know you're gonna need wage space and some additional transfer fees to work with, then why cannot United sell players for any transfer fee aside from Smalling? Romero, Henderson, DDG, Lingard, Mata, Pereria, TFM, Rojo, Jones, James, Garner? Yeah, it's because Woodward has completely handcuffed the club in that regard.
Each transfer window must work together, must kick on and complement each other in accordance to the the needs of the team and what it takes to get better in the table.
It's this disjointed approach and disruptive behavior by Woodward that again has reared it's unacceptable and ugly fecking head.
There's no problem with giving that list but not expecting every player to be bought.I don't know who leaked that story but it makes Solskjaer look like a complete idiot, as it was clear that the lack of supporters at matches was going to limit our transfer budget. We never had the money for those type of transfers; which was obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of United's average annual net spend on transfers and the likely impact of the coronavirus.
If he wanted Sancho, then his list should have been just Sancho, with the understanding that he would have to generate a lot of money through selling players that other teams were willing to pay for. If he felt that he needed 3 new players then they would have to be relatively modest fees; not glamour signings like Grealish.
In this instance, I believe Solskjaer is at fault. He should have shut down the Sancho talk long ago; simply gone on the record, saying it's not a deal we can do in the current financial environment.
His first transfer window? Chelsea missed a couple of transfer windows. I think OgS was backed in his first window? But yeah, I feel Lampard will have more of an open cheque book over our owners, obviously.Umm Frank Lampard?
The discussion of this thread is about this summer, and to be fair, Lampard did get 100%, in response to your initial question.His first transfer window? Chelsea missed a couple of transfer windows. I think OgS was backed in his first window? But yeah, I feel Lampard will have more of an open cheque book over our owners, obviously.
Yes! that is pretty much understood by me as well in reflection of this summer. I'm discussing the variables of the differences between why Lampard got backed more this window. Chelsea wasn't able to sign players for two seasons.The discussion of this thread is about this summer, and to be fair, Lampard did get 100%, in response to your initial question.
Sorry have to question this bit. How did they get played like fools when Dortmund set their price and would not budge on it? Dortmund had the right to set their price, our fools thought they would get a bargain.Yes, and it is hard for me to fathom why Ole would insist on pursuing Sancho if the club didnt lead him to believe that it was a possibility. Its Judge/ Ed who are leading the negotiations and Ole would rely on their word. By all accounts we thought we had the Sancho deal in the bag and Dortmund would relent during the last stages. Judge and Woodward got played like the fools that they have proven to be time after time.
You've answered your own question there. Dortmund set their price and terms - Woodward/Judge just didn't take them seriously and didn't do any work on a reasonable backup if Sancho didn't come. Now we've not got Sancho or any attacker that will improve the first XI.Sorry have to question this bit. How did they get played like fools when Dortmund set their price and would not budge on it? Dortmund had the right to set their price, our fools thought they would get a bargain.
Is Sancho worth the price they're asking, only time will tell.
Rubbish article based on idle speculation. If it did happen to be true then I'm glad we missed Ake and Grealish for the money quoted.
Are people stupid enough to think a non oil backed club could afford to spend €240m in the middle of a fecking pandemic? We spent 150m this year which is no insignificant amount.
Good to see some sensible posts in here. It appears that for the good chunk of our fanbase it's either/or scenario. Back him or sack him is such a ignorant line.This is a completely stupid way of running a club and our fanbase are massively responsible for a lot of this stupid mentality.
Sadly that doesn't really exist in modern football. They're all mostly coaches.Most likely, yeah. Looking at the way we operate we need a new Fergie to get us back on track (or at least a modern day Klopp if I may say without being burned to the ground).
In other words, our manager would need to be someone who is both a great coach, but will also manage to successfully expand his influence even beyond that on most footballing decisions. A coach and DoF rolled into one.
No of course they don't. And Grealish was overpriced anyway. But Sancho is one who we should have delivered.Does anyone think any manager gets 100% of their 1st targets or something?
Upamecano before the start of the window had a buy out clause cheaper than what we got Van de beek for United were just incompetent as usual. Our current transfer controllers seem to think the window only opens and allows business one week to it's closing.Yes! that is pretty much understood by me as well in reflection of this summer. I'm discussing the variables of the differences between why Lampard got backed more this window. Chelsea wasn't able to sign players for two seasons.
There was no way on earth United was going to sign Sancho, Grealish and Upamenco. I had a funny feeling United wasn't even going to sign Sancho when I read this. The debt of the Glazer's -sigh-
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/man...d-announce-debt-rises-to-close-to-430-million
Bingo.Its Mourinho all over again isnt it?
Better than expected League position followed by inept investment.
Followed by poor league position.
Followed by new manager.
Rinse & repeat.
I'm not sure they're mutually exclusive? It's predictable that we do something shockingly bad these days.People act like this is outrageous.
I didn't expect anything else.
He got success from those 2. Plus Bruno who he was given way too lateOle has got his top targets last year with Maguire and AWB.
First choice doesn't necessarily mean guarantee success.
So you think that spending around 200m for a 3rd place and no trophies is success? Do we need Grealish, Upamecano and Sancho to avoid being hammered by Spurs or Palace?He got success from those 2. Plus Bruno who he was given way too late
3 semi finals and a 3rd place finish.
I would vert much have wanted that. VdB is not a bad signing really, hes a decent player for a decent price, but hes a bad signing for us because its pretty far down our priority list.I doubt many here would have liked signing Grealish for 80m instead of VDB for 40m.
Beside missing on a 120m attacker is hard to blame the board for.
If I would blame Woodward for something it's missing most of the summer waiting for BVB to miraculously lower their price demand. Once their deadline day was reached on Aug 10th, we should have immediately moved on to other targets.
It certainly seems that way, plus no sponsor penalties for missing one season of CL football.Its Mourinho all over again isnt it?
Better than expected League position followed by inept investment.
Followed by poor league position.
Followed by new manager.
Rinse & repeat.
Chelsea head coaches don't choose the players. They get a say but not final sign off.The discussion of this thread is about this summer, and to be fair, Lampard did get 100%, in response to your initial question.
Mou won trophies though as well. He didn't spent 145m in the defence only to ask for more defenders either.Its Mourinho all over again isnt it?
Better than expected League position followed by inept investment.
Followed by poor league position.
Followed by new manager.
Rinse & repeat.
the problem is that they had no plan B. Like you said, they just waited for Dortmund to give in.Sorry have to question this bit. How did they get played like fools when Dortmund set their price and would not budge on it? Dortmund had the right to set their price, our fools thought they would get a bargain.
Is Sancho worth the price they're asking, only time will tell.
Indeed I mean Sancho clearly was not the number one target for RW and United had zero interest in GrealishThey could write the same made up story for every club. Why didn't the list they got hold of have Messi, Neymar and Mbappe on it?
As badly as we're run, the idea that Solskjaer had a meeting on targets and came away with the idea that he could have a shopping list worth £200m+ is nonsense. Or even didn't have any discussion at all, just emailed in a list with no budget consideration.
As the transfer window shows, people will believe anything, especially if its negative.
This seems to be the driving force for the big spending. Protect the sponsor moneyIt certainly seems that way, plus no sponsor penalties for missing one season of CL football.
can't really know if we put in a (realistic) offer...Well, we can't know exactly, since we didn't put any offers in. But, as far as I remember, Aston Villa said they value him at £80 million.