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Can you imagine the press if Greenwood was pictured in a wedding with 500 people back in his hometown Bradford?
can you imagine how his own fans would slaughter him? How his own fans would react?

what’s been the reaction from Liverpool fans? Dare I say it, their fanbase has more sanity than United’s?
 

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Right on both count. Left France 10 years ago now. I expected the Covid to do some serious damage on this part of the world (Eastern Africa) but it's been a very good surprise so far.
Any ideas why it seemingly hasn't hit as hard in Eastern Africa? Temperature? Lifestyle? Without meaning to derail this thread too much...
 

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Any ideas why it seemingly hasn't hit as hard in Eastern Africa? Temperature? Lifestyle? Without meaning to derail this thread too much...
Maybe a combo of temperatures and a relatively young population. Diseases like malaria and chikungunya have been doing ravages before Covid though so maybe that's why its numbers are insignificant here.
 

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Any ideas why it seemingly hasn't hit as hard in Eastern Africa? Temperature? Lifestyle? Without meaning to derail this thread too much...
You didn't ask me but average age of the population must have a huge impact. Africa is a much younger continent (average age) than any other, by some distance.

Average age in Europe is 42. In Africa it's 18.
 

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Right on both count. Left France 10 years ago now. I expected the Covid to do some serious damage on this part of the world (Eastern Africa) but it's been a very good surprise so far.
Sounds good. Where I currently live (Malaysia), it was relatively under control around May (70+ cases per day). Then, the powers that be made some ridiculous decisions, leaving the country now with 1200+ cases per day and a faltering economy.
 

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do you know that he’s not? We don’t know how it affect people in the medium to long term, and it also affects people differently depending on ethnicity.
and blood type, and viral load, and a host of other factors. Even a majority of asymptomatic carriers were shown to have longterm damage to heart and other internal organs. And there's loads of 'recovered' patients, both symptomatic and asymptomatic, that struggle with longterm effects similar to to other occasionally chronic diseases like lyme, long after the virus is meant to be purged from the body.

Getting it is basically an invitation to unexpected complications. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Pogba is still struggling with it, for example.
 

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So that's Salah, Gomez, Alexander-Arnold, Van Dijk, Chamberlain, Thiago, Fabinho, Henderson and Robertson all potentially out for the game against top of the league Leicester.

Guess we'll line up as something like this:

Alisson; Milner, Matip, Williams, Tsimikas; Wijnaldum, Jones, Keita; Jota, Firmino, Mane.
 

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Salah will be back soon enough. Isn't Williams injured now too though? Still fancy them to beat Leicester anyway.
 

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So that's Salah, Gomez, Alexander-Arnold, Van Dijk, Chamberlain, Thiago, Fabinho, Henderson and Robertson all potentially out for the game against top of the league Leicester.

Guess we'll line up as something like this:

Alisson; Milner, Matip, Williams, Tsimikas; Wijnaldum, Jones, Keita; Jota, Firmino, Mane.
Viruspool :wenger:
 

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So that's Salah, Gomez, Alexander-Arnold, Van Dijk, Chamberlain, Thiago, Fabinho, Henderson and Robertson all potentially out for the game against top of the league Leicester.

Guess we'll line up as something like this:

Alisson; Milner, Matip, Williams, Tsimikas; Wijnaldum, Jones, Keita; Jota, Firmino, Mane.
[Adrian]
TAA Gomez VvD Robertson
Thiago Hendo Fab
[Shaq] Salah Ox

Feck me if that team doesn't win the PL and CL! Maybe Adrian would let it down too much.
 

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So that's Salah, Gomez, Alexander-Arnold, Van Dijk, Chamberlain, Thiago, Fabinho, Henderson and Robertson all potentially out for the game against top of the league Leicester.

Guess we'll line up as something like this:

Alisson; Milner, Matip, Williams, Tsimikas; Wijnaldum, Jones, Keita; Jota, Firmino, Mane.
Williams might be out too - been sent home from England U21 duties with a hip injury :rolleyes:

Team basically picks itself like you mention, apart from who partners Matip. Wasn’t that Billie kid impressive in pre-season? Might as well throw him in if so.
 

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Williams might be out too - been sent home from England U21 duties with a hip injury :rolleyes:

Team basically picks itself like you mention, apart from who partners Matip. Wasn’t that Billie kid impressive in pre-season? Might as well throw him in if so.
It will be Phillips.
 

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You just know the Leicester team that blew City away won't turn up at Anfield
 

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Yeah can't even pretend to think they won't win at the weekend and just somehow continue winning week after week. My minds accepted that fact for the time being.
 

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Williams might be out too - been sent home from England U21 duties with a hip injury :rolleyes:

Team basically picks itself like you mention, apart from who partners Matip. Wasn’t that Billie kid impressive in pre-season? Might as well throw him in if so.
Robertson is starting for Scotland tonight so must be fit. That's something I guess. I think it'll be Phillips or Williams personally. Williams makes more sense against a side like Leicester too imo. Phillips is better for aerially physical opponents.

Salah got Covid by attending a wedding with a load of other people. Not the best thing to be doing currently.
 

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Maybe a combo of temperatures and a relatively young population. Diseases like malaria and chikungunya have been doing ravages before Covid though so maybe that's why its numbers are insignificant here.
You didn't ask me but average age of the population must have a huge impact. Africa is a much younger continent (average age) than any other, by some distance.

Average age in Europe is 42. In Africa it's 18.
Not really for this thread, but more sunlight and more time spent outside might be another factor. Vitamine D seems to help the body fight off the virus. And there might be different coronaviruses going on in the wider region that better prepare the immune system for this one.
 

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Not really for this thread, but more sunlight and more time spent outside might be another factor. Vitamine D seems to help the body fight off the virus. And there might be different coronaviruses going on in the wider region that better prepare the immune system for this one.
Sun is something we have 365 days a year, non stop, scorching sun
 

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Why is Mo Salah catching coronavirus after being at a wedding with 900 (900!!) other people being made less of a deal in the British press than Rashford buying a house? What the feck is wrong with our press when this sort of ACTUALLY thoughtless sort of action is left alone so they can go after Rashford for daring to try to feed some kids or Greenwood for (insert bullshit reason here)
 

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Hope Salah isn't hit too hard by Covid. It can be really dangerous for people with breathing issues and isn't he one of the many Liverpool players being treated for asthma?
 

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Yea and Greenwood and Foden too. Dropped by England and Man Utd. Let's see what happens here.
Didn't they actually break rules (Grealish a national lockdown and Foden/Greenwood at least team protocol while on duty)? I'm clueless about the current situation in Egypt, but the fact that the wedding could go through would probably mean that it was legal, hence Salah, apart from doing an incredibly stupid and ill-considered thing, didn't do anything which was actually illegal/prohibited, let alone in the UK itself. And it was his brother's wedding to be fair. I'd do anything to prevent a wedding party like that from happening in the current circumstances (unless Egypt is covid-free which it obviously isn't), but if he was dead set on doing it then and there, then you're not gonna say "Ah no, not for me". I get that people condemn him for it, because it was wrong objectively speaking, but he's also only a human being with family on the other side. No one wants to miss out on his/her brother's wedding.

So I get your point that different players get different treatment in the media, but I don't get your "let's see what happens here". Apart from Liverpool giving Salah a slap on the wrist for being inconsiderate, we're not going to not play him once he's fit again.
 

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Why is Mo Salah catching coronavirus after being at a wedding with 900 (900!!) other people being made less of a deal in the British press than Rashford buying a house? What the feck is wrong with our press when this sort of ACTUALLY thoughtless sort of action is left alone so they can go after Rashford for daring to try to feed some kids or Greenwood for (insert bullshit reason here)
Been wondering the same thing. Phoden too, he's England's darling now and Greenwood is new Ravel ffs!
 

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Why is Mo Salah catching coronavirus after being at a wedding with 900 (900!!) other people being made less of a deal in the British press than Rashford buying a house? What the feck is wrong with our press when this sort of ACTUALLY thoughtless sort of action is left alone so they can go after Rashford for daring to try to feed some kids or Greenwood for (insert bullshit reason here)
The media isn't what it is supposed to be anymore, they all have an agenda.
 

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So that's Salah, Gomez, Alexander-Arnold, Van Dijk, Chamberlain, Thiago, Fabinho, Henderson and Robertson all potentially out for the game against top of the league Leicester.

Guess we'll line up as something like this:

Alisson; Milner, Matip, Williams, Tsimikas; Wijnaldum, Jones, Keita; Jota, Firmino, Mane.
And still win.
You feckers.
 

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Why is Mo Salah catching coronavirus after being at a wedding with 900 (900!!) other people being made less of a deal in the British press than Rashford buying a house? What the feck is wrong with our press when this sort of ACTUALLY thoughtless sort of action is left alone so they can go after Rashford for daring to try to feed some kids or Greenwood for (insert bullshit reason here)
I don't buy the argument that this happened in Egypt. He lives and works in England, and should be subject to the rules of that country. He has not been in a "bubble" that national teams are subjected to, so thus he should spend some days in a quarantine?

I also strongly question the media concerning their treatment of players and clubs. I certainly don't hope that media in Europe resemble Fox and CNN where there are clear allegiances to this or that. Unfortunately, the media seem more concerned with creating news stories instead of broadcasting news. That being said, I have seen some criticism over Salah.
 

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I don't buy the argument that this happened in Egypt. He lives and works in England, and should be subject to the rules of that country.
Whilst being in another country? :lol:

I'm sure he drives on the left side of the road when he's in Egypt yeah... Fecking hell.
 

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Whilst being in another country? :lol:

I'm sure he drives on the left side of the road when he's in Egypt yeah... Fecking hell.
If you work at a company, and you travel abroad, should you not adhere to the rules of said company? First of all, travels should be limited to a minimum, but I understand that one wishes to attend a brother's wedding. However, I think it needs to be put into perspective. What were the rules in Iceland when Greenwood did not follow the rules for England? So he had rules he had to follow.
 

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If you work at a company, and you travel abroad, should you not adhere to the rules of said company? First of all, travels should be limited to a minimum, but I understand that one wishes to attend a brother's wedding. However, I think it needs to be put into perspective. What were the rules in Iceland when Greenwood did not follow the rules for England? So he had rules he had to follow.
No you don't, there are recommendations of course but definitely not "rules".
 

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If you work at a company, and you travel abroad, should you not adhere to the rules of said company? First of all, travels should be limited to a minimum, but I understand that one wishes to attend a brother's wedding. However, I think it needs to be put into perspective. What were the rules in Iceland when Greenwood did not follow the rules for England? So he had rules he had to follow.
He was there for international duty and I assume his brother specifically chose a date at which Salah could be in town for that, i.e. during the international break.

And to your first question, no you don't necessarily have to do that and that's not even what you said in your first post I quoted - you said that he should be subject to the rules of England whilst being in Egypt because he works and lives in England, which is simply ridiculous (all the more because he's an Egyptian to begin with).
 

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He was there for international duty and I assume his brother specifically chose a date at which Salah could be in town for that, i.e. during the international break.

And to your first question, no you don't necessarily have to do that and that's not even what you said in your first post I quoted - you said that he should be subject to the rules of England whilst being in Egypt because he works and lives in England, which is simply ridiculous (all the more because he's an Egyptian to begin with).
Considering the pandemic, I doubt it is that ludicrous. For instance, according to the Norwegian government, if you are abroad, you should focus on the restrictions and advice given by the government. Do you disagree that he should have done the same? If Egypt has no such advice or restrictions, should he just follow them, then?

If he was there for international duty, then he "bursted his own bubble", so is he then subject to a self-isolation anyways? Just a quick read tells me that there is a 14-day self-isolation for travels to the UK, and that seems to include Egypt.
 

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Considering the pandemic, I doubt it is that ludicrous. For instance, according to the Norwegian government, if you are abroad, you should focus on the restrictions and advice given by the government. Do you disagree that he should have done the same? If Egypt has no such advice or restrictions, should he just follow them, then?

If he was there for international duty, then he "bursted his own bubble", so is he then subject to a self-isolation anyways? Just a quick read tells me that there is a 14-day self-isolation for travels to the UK, and that seems to include Egypt.
I don't disagree with any of that mate, what Salah did was wrong (yet understandable to an extent). It was just the notion that you should be subject to the rules of your country whilst being abroad that made absolutely no sense.
 

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I don't disagree with any of that mate, what Salah did was wrong (yet understandable to an extent). It was just the notion that you should be subject to the rules of your country whilst being abroad that made absolutely no sense.
I worded myself badly. So we ended up agreeing... I'm very unsure what to do next.
 

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As much as I understand wanting to go your brother’s wedding, he really, really shouldn’t be partying with 500 people during a pandemic. Especially since he’s being paid a truckload of money to be able to play football, and more importantly because he’s an idol to millions and really should lead by example. The brother and his wife are even bigger idiots for insisting on having it now.
 

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As much as I understand wanting to go your brother’s wedding, he really, really shouldn’t be partying with 500 people during a pandemic. Especially since he’s being paid a truckload of money to be able to play football, and more importantly because he’s an idol to millions and really should lead by example. The brother and his wife are even bigger idiots for insisting on having it now.
Yeah, all true. Footballers are people of privilege and higher status whether they like it or not and that comes with expectations of responsibility. Walker, Grealish, Foden, Greenwood, Salah (and many more) have all made stupid decisions during this period.