Hi so why does it take that long. if its ready for a small amount of people in December as suggested, why isn't it ready for a larger amount of people in December. I'm guessing its because we don't have enough vaccine in the short term.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Checked out the profile and he seems to have a lot of time to tweet while supposedly being a medic of some kind.
Why’s Boris using a 420p webcam?
So the Tiers are stricter apart from the fact that pubs can stay open for longer and crowds are now going to start being allowed in both Tiers 1 and 2?
"Also feel free to have a collective Christmas but I'm not putting any restrictions so it's completely on you if we end up having a spike in mid-January"
Did I get that all right? What a joke!
"Also feel free to have a collective Christmas but I'm not putting any restrictions so it's completely on you if we end up having a spike in mid-January"
Did I get that all right? What a joke!
What time zone is this?
Computer generated Boris-bot. Hence the cheap microphone to go with the webcam. Personally I'm more disappointed by the lack of books, shark wave photos etc behind him.
Still no actual numbers on what makes a place Tier 3 etc, or how to help people who are asked to self-isolate. Just word soup. Ideal bot material.
He using it earlier today, its not 4 yet in the UK.
What on earth
Another week another new set of rules for the UK. I would have thought a continuation of current rules until the week of Christmas would have been the best approach.
I couldn't believe just how busy it was when I went out this morning, I've not ventured too far at all in this supposed lockdown and it felt just like a normal monday out and about, truly bizarre. Can't see how this lockdown will have done much at all, and now it's all opening up again? Lovely stuff.
So if you work in a tier 3 are what happens now? I'm classed as non-essential retail currently and I'm furloughed. My area is expected to be placed into tier 3 and I have no idea what any of this actually means.
I don't think there's enough backing in the Tory party for that. A lot of these MPs have to answer to local business and then all the various bodies they're paid by to influence decisions.
And I thought allowing any visits on Christmas day was bold. It would be funny if it wasn't so deadly.
The UK public have repeatedly shown that given an inch they'll take a mile. It'd have been nice to get it down to minimal levels so those cautious amongst us could actually see family.
A friend of mine is supposed to start uni in Melbourne in March. Do you reckon Australia will open their international borders by then?
At the end of the day, regardless of whether this lockdown-lite played a pivotal role in things, the covid cases trend is much, much better than it was a month ago. On the 1st October there was 7-day average of ~12k cases, on the 15th it was 17.5k cases, on the 29th it was 22k cases. So it was at a doubling rate nearly every 4 weeks. We're almost 4 weeks on from then and things have basically held steady rather than doubled again, while things have fallen a lot in some of the previous hotspots. Imagine if it kept that doubling rate and we were on 40k+ cases per day, bringing us close to the previous peak of 1,000 deaths per day.
What tier is London likely to be in?
Went into lockdown in tier 2. Can't see them lowering that on exit.
Probably the lowest tear you can be put into. The stats will be massaged to ensure so.
So Johnson by not extending the lockdown will see off a Tory rebellion, plus he has a potential saving Christmas narrative, and a vaccine from Oxford.
Retail in tier 3 will all be open.
I'm not a scientist, so it's just m own opinion.
But I heard on the news there's only 4 million vaccines currently bought by the government, so if you think about how many NHS workers and older people there area in the country, that's not much.
And then there's the logistics of storage, getting people appointments to get the vaccine etc. They can't go ahead and do the majority of the country in a few weeks.
Which makes me think, what the hell is the point of the tiers if everything is open regardless? Just a fancy name to make people think the government care.
Don’t think this is a bad idea really. Retailers have done well to make places covid secure, it’s better to spread the Xmas shopping over a longer period too and avoid the scenario where people travel to open shopping venues and they end up overran
the 5m is just for the moderna one. they've ordered 100m of the Oxford, 60m of the Psizer one, etc
What a jokeRetail in tier 3 will all be open.
Closing retail over Christmas would surely send a lot of these shops under, too.
There are a lot of people that prefer operating the principles of informed choice. So the tiering is a simple signal of the level of community transmission in the area which is the information part, while people are free to exercise choice armed with that knowledge. It's clearly very different to the previous implementation but it's not totally worthless if you buy into some foundational principles of what it means to be a free society.
How can it not be a bad idea to have retail and all personal care open in very high alert areas?
Put it this way under these guidelines what framework is there to reduce pressure on local hospitals that begin to struggle? It's idiotic not to have a worthwhile higher tier so i hope there's at least a tier 4.
Exactly, the tier system may as well not exist. You can't go to a football match but you can go to a shop in tier 3...
Indeed if they wanted to make the criteria for entering the tiers less strict then okay but changing all the measures within tiers so they're little different doesn't make much sense.
I find Brwned's explanation above a very generous counter point.
For the reasons I’ve posted.
1. Retail is much safer than Pubs so the risk is somewhat negated.
2. People will get in their car and drive however many miles it takes to find a city with shops open. That will just create highly concentrated shopping hotspots.
3. If places come out of Tier 3 down to Tier 2, you’ll again just concentrate the footfall into something less manageable.
It’s basically game theory at this point, predicting public behaviour and limiting the damage.
tier 4 would be another lockdown
Not really. No one who took the vaccine died of Covid 19. The trial varied doses and discovered that using a half dose then a full dose gave 90% of people protection. They will make 2 billion doses next year and you don't have to store it at extremely low temperatures.
It is in fact brilliant news probably the best we have had in the last 10 months. If please, please, please it holds up to scrutiny of the regulating body.
I like this form of policing, our police spend most of the time in mcdonalds
This is something I haven’t considered. Anyone know how possible/likely it is that while the vaccine might not build a big enough immune response to hold the virus back completely, it could produce enough of a response to kick start the fight when it does take hold.
They should have led with the 90% number, right?
Overall it looks a whole lot better than it did a few weeks ago. Hopefully approval will be soon and vaccinations can begin right away.
Are they fatties like a lot of the American ones?
he was talking live to Parliament when I posted that
At 05:20p in the afternoon?