The refs were clearly heard trying to explain the context and language, but even having the ref in the VAR was not accepted by any of the teams.
I'm not actually saying the guy should be punished. If he comes out and says it was an unfortunate turn of phrase and can learn from it, case closed for me and I'm sure all involved would be OK with that. The problem is, just because some people aren't offended, others might be. Its possible you've never experienced discrimination and so being called Asian holds no negative associations for you. Its equally possible Ba or the coach could have experienced terrible racism, so being identified purely as 'black' by an official holds much worse connotations. This is why you have to be very careful, and those in positions of authority doubly so.
Yeah I'm done replying cause apologist don't even bother to read what I'm replying to and wanna find a way to excuse themselves.
Ah well, for sure the only thing that tweet could accomplish is that most of the random people on the internt that read it will proceed to excoriate him not only for tonight slip-up but also for his alleged emotional fragility....
Not to argue against you, because I agree on your point that describing someone based on skin tone shouldn't be offensive, it's something you have to do when giving a witness statement actually. But I have also been witness to multiple cases during school years of black friends being called black cu*t, black piece of sh*t ect because they think they are being clever and avoiding the N word, as to not get in trouble. I have even seen it in adulthood, so it's understandable why, case by case, people might find even being referred to by their colour can still have stinging affects.
In a business setting, you try not to use racial descriptors. Simple as.
Western countries should just punish people when using Any skin color to call people. feck any skin color privilege. Not just for certain skin color. Not even between people with similar skin color. No calling, no songs, no movies.
That will be an unfortunate tragedy from this, no doubt.
It would have been great if there was somewhat less emotional in the situation who could have calmed Ba down a bit to try to get both parties on the same page. It’ll be interesting to see what happened in the immediacy after the game was abandoned by all parties involved. Wonder if there was any attempt at reconciliation at all.
It depends, doesn't it? Obviously, no one wants to be constantly referred to as "the <insert descriptor>", but in a situation where someone is being pointed out, names aren't known, wearing similar clothes, people usually use the easiest description, either it's a haircut, clothing, whatnot. If it's one white person in a group, then for me it's fairly obvious that most people will use white guy as the description, in one way or another, same as for black etc etc. There doesn't have to be much thought behind it, just whatever comes first.
Completely took my response out of context. I meant wider world as in outside your own country and culture, when you are in a profession where you interact with people from another culture and especially when you are performing your profession in another country, understanding how you can be offensive and avoiding it is common sense, no?
Just punish everyone, i'd say.
I hope this too, all evidence so far suggest there was no evil intent.
It's not so much that the NBA thing isn't some sort of racism (though, I'd disagree with that, just like I disagree with calling a player black automatically means the person is racist), it's looking for examples in other sports to take away the focus from what happened today (I didn't read through the whole thread so apologies if you didn't start this comparison). It's classic whataboutism that's often prevalent when people are trying to defend or excuse moments like this. Context does matter, and this was not the setting for an official, not a player competing with another player (like in the comparison with Luka), but an actual official put in place to keep the integrity of the game among other things, this wasn't the setting for him to use someone's skin color to describe them. You can point, you can walk over to the person, there's a myriad of ways you can go about it without resorting to using their skin color.
Thanks for this post I genuinely wasn't going to reply and allow the poster to carry on not learning but you have put it such a perfect way. I hope he reads this.
not sure you used the right word there buddy
Condemned of course. Cheers
Aye. It’s very common. I called out a mate of mine for doing it. He’s an uber driver so meets a lot of people and tells me stories. I noticed that for some reason anytime he told a story and it involved a black person he always felt the need to say “black guy” or “black girl”. I don’t know why. Regardless of whether it was a positive or negative story. He would never say ‘white guy/girl’ ‘Asian guy/girl. And it’s something I picked up on quickly because it seemed irrelevant for him to mention what race the person was. I mean you’re just telling me a fecking story, I don’t need information on the persons ethnicity.
Yeah there are many debates to be had. For example in the Cavani/Suarez situation, they both apparently used "Negrito" which is a very pally term you'd use to call your poc friend by nickname and is completely socially accepted.
I never understand why can’t he say ‘’this guy’’. He even pointed the guy as well so he has zero sense to say ‘’the black one’’. He basically defines the person based on skin colour when he could just say ‘’this guy’’ with his finger.
Force of habit maybe. If it is not considered bad to point out at someone and say that white man, black man, brown man, tall man, short man, fat man, lean man etc etc., then it could become a habit and a natural thing to say. Not every country has the same culture.
He’s not qualified to work in UEFA then. Or UEFA never train their officials.
It’s not about the word it’s about how you use it. The official used it to define a person’s skin colour aka people’s race when he could just point the guy without saying anything or you could just say ‘’this guy’’. This Korean video is so irrelevant, it‘s not referring to skin or people’s race.
Yep , it does not matter that much. There are different connotations attached to black/white, different stereotypes and prejudices. And clearly, historically these terms are wide apart. Now, the NBA context, being a predominantly non-white players field, it might make it a little worse... but we are still talking about a different class of stereotype/ prejudice in the Doncic case.
Maybe. The Anglosphere is going to eventually force all Romance language speaking countries to abandon using words sounding like Negro when referring to people’s skin.
I don't think the question is whether he could have. He clearly could. But why didn't he.
Where is this from?
, well I wonder how certain posters will react to this.Can you see how doing a census, to ascertain the population, racial make up, disability status etc of a country, is slightly different to referring to someone, out of a limited pool of people, in a professional context?
If I needed to identify someone who has Down’s, whose name I don’t know, to a colleague, quickly, in a group of people, I would use that descriptors if they didn’t have any other clearly distinguishing features such as being very tall etc. I’d use it among two or three descriptor so I wasn’t making it the sole point of identification. I wouldn’t necessarily want that person, as a stranger to me, to hear that, so that’s something I may need to reflect on. Nonetheless it would be the quickest way to communicate who they were, unless there were multiple people with Down’s there. In this case there wasn’t really that need to hurry though, a bit of panic there.
Hey I can post again! (I wasn't banned, just normal forum restrictions).
Or understood him if he heard him. It’s quite possible he thought nobody but the ref would know what he was saying. Romanian being a language not spoken much (or at all?) outside Romania.
