Andycoleno9
matchday malcontent
First bad game in a long time. No problem there. He was in good form this season and i don't understand this agenda towards him. Still among the best in PL
It's not an agenda, mate. Not everything is an agenda. There's only ONE keeper in the league who has a lower save percentage than De Gea. We've conceded 30 goals, which is worse than anyone else in the top ten. He's been in decline for a few years.First bad game in a long time. No problem there. He was in good form this season and i don't understand this agenda towards him. Still among the best in PL
He was better in last few games, but overall this season he's unfortunately one of the worst GKs in the league.First bad game in a long time. No problem there. He was in good form this season and i don't understand this agenda towards him. Still among the best in PL
Hilariously wrong statement by all accounts. De Gea has statistically been probably the worst keeper in the league, when you consider all the factors and the fact that he is the highest paid GK in the world.First bad game in a long time. No problem there. He was in good form this season and i don't understand this agenda towards him. Still among the best in PL
Goalkeepers union is usually called when pundits/ex pros who made a living between the sticks struggle to find fault or defend other goalkeepers, at times blindly or without merit. Eric Thorstvedt was a goalkeeper.Why is it nonsense and how is it a goalkeepers union
As a rule, I try not to criticize our players too much on here, as much of the criticism they receive is unwarranted, But this defence of De Gea is mind boggling. Ever since our game at Wembley against Spurs in Jan 2019, which was probably his last great game for us, he has made a string of errors that more often than not have cost us.First bad game in a long time. No problem there. He was in good form this season and i don't understand this agenda towards him. Still among the best in PL
Ran out of arguments for your feckless bias, did you?Was David a nice child as a boy? The only reason I ask is that I assume you must be De Gea’s mum or dad.
Not catchable. Obviously, he does not knock it out because he thinks that's better thN catching it.Decision, just catch it innit.
I mean goalkeeping 101 says don’t do the exact fecking thing he did, ever.
VanderSar was even better than schmeichel for me - much more consistent, even if not so spectacularSaid a few years ago that Ferdinand and Vidic at their best would look worse playing in front of him.
If he was the goalkeeper at the peak of their partnership and not Edwin Van der Sar, then they would have half the reputation they have, and the club wouldn't have as many trophies.
100% agree. I try really hard to give players the benefit of the doubt. I have been a vocal defender of Shaw, Maguire and McTominay, amongst others. I have also been a strong backer of Ole from the beginning through thick and thin.I feel your pain pal, I've been labelled the same on here many a time for simply pointing out facts, as you are.
I got extra vocal about it around the time his contract was up in summer 2019 because, it was pretty clear by then, he wasn't worthy of a new contract at all, nevermind one that made him the highest paid player in the league.
I got labelled clueless, a WUM, a hater and also told that I just had a personal vendetta against the lad.
Like you, I was just a passionate fan pointing out the blindingly obvious fact that De Gea is the biggest liability in the team and has been for quite some time.
I would love nothing more than him to prove me wrong, Man Utd are my life, my religion, I love the club and want every single player to do well, but it's just not going to happen with De Gea, he's simply not up to it, and the sooner our coaching staff realise this the better.
You can lose a football match to any team on any given day, that's what makes football so great, but when your team is dropping points because of the same blindingly obvious issues and nothing ever gets done about it, it's pretty infuriating.
Okay. This is just so obviously distorted by raging bias that it's really beyond reason, and no point arguing with. If you really want to self-idiotise yourself to the extent of making arguments like that, it's your loss.Ok, so it's everybody else's fault that he's a gutless little wuss and shirks from every challenge?
Maybe he's not so responsible for their second goal, but if he hadn't shit a bollock for the first, it wouldn't be so much of an issue.
The 3rd is just plain embarrassing, he did the same thing against Leipzig, turned his back, shut his eyes and stuck out a token foot. Any other keeper would be throwing himself at it, but not precious little Dave.
Give yer head a wobble fella.
Now this is more like a viable argument.To put it into numbers so that it's easier to read (all GKs who played 10+ games in EPL)- De Gea numbers:
We are in the middle of the table (10th) in terms of xGA/90' (fbref shows this as vs Manchester United xG per 90').
- 15th in terms of Post-Shot Expected Goals - Expected Goals. He is on the negative side (-1,3) meaning we'd do better with random keeper (shot stopping only!). It also means it'd require MASSIVE improvement from him to achieve levels from previous 4 seasons. And I mean form-of-his-life massive.
- 20th in terms of % of crosses saved (out of 21).
- 20th in terms of % of shots stopped (out of 21).
Our defensive line is not good enough, but the keeper is our biggest issue.
I mean, he’s done some mad shit these past years, I’m not sure that argument is your best way to go @justsomebloke . We can maybe start asking if he thought it was a better idea at Watford to throw a ball in his own goal rather than catch it?Not catchable. Obviously, he does not knock it out because he thinks that's better thN catching it.
Ok, keep yer head in the sand mate, it feels much safer down there. There's only you, that weirdo Bob, and a shit keeper from 30 years ago that thinks De gea isn't at fault. The rest of the known universe is completely wrong.Okay. This is just so obviously distorted by raging bias that it's really beyond reason, and no point arguing with. If you really want to self-idiotise yourself to the extent of making arguments like that, it's your loss.
I’ve been wanting De Gea to be sold for three seasons now. No arguments needed. Just have a look at his errors.Ran out of arguments for your feckless bias, did you?
Spotted that and stood out for two reasons ... the one you mentioned and fact he actually stepped off his line and caught a cross.Not sure if anyone else has an opinion on this, but I think it was in the 88th-89th minute or thereabouts? Think Everton attempted a cross and he catches it. Now, bear in mind we've been under pressure, they look dangerous when they come forward, there are a few minutes left so as a keeper you take the ball, fall to the floor, and waste as much time as you can while waving everyone up the field.
Nah, what does he do? Immediately launches the ball forward for a counter-attack with only Rashford up there, we lose the ball immediately and give possession back to Everton while most of their players are still in our half from the previous attack. Again, another awful mistake with poor decision making. I couldn't believe he did that.
I said exactly the same when watching it! Caught me right off guardSpotted that and stood out for two reasons ... the one you mentioned and fact he actually stepped off his line and caught a cross.
We have had our disagreements re Ole but this is spot on. Plus the fact if the keeper comes out and catches a cross that stops it for being an attempt on goal. DeGea now reminds me of the time Barthez was at OT. He saved a lot of goals he has no business saving but made so many mistakes too. Now DeGea is the same. As for him not knowing what is behind him, then he should be taking a quick peep at what is going on too. He certainly knows what is in front of him and that is Calvert and he has no business even attempting to put the ball where Calvert is going to get it.And this is why I have consistently defended our CBs. I admit they are not a “world class” pairing, but I think its very unfair for people to keep hammering them when overall they kept what is essentially a very good attack down to one or two shots on target.
I have played CB to a reasonable non-league standard (not claiming I’m some amazing player because i’m not but i’ve played with some very good players who have played league football) and if I was being accused of being crap because i’ve conceded two shots on goal all game against a good side I would be going absolutely ballistic.
Make no mistake, the players will know De Gea is poor and they will be talking about it amongst themselves in training and on WhatsApp. They will have no confidence in him whatsoever and this will effect their decision making.
Like many have said, replacing De Gea won’t turn Lindelof and Maguire into Vidic and Ferdinand but it will definitely help them
Absolutely!And this is why I have consistently defended our CBs. I admit they are not a “world class” pairing, but I think its very unfair for people to keep hammering them when overall they kept what is essentially a very good attack down to one or two shots on target.
I have played CB to a reasonable non-league standard (not claiming I’m some amazing player because i’m not but i’ve played with some very good players who have played league football) and if I was being accused of being crap because i’ve conceded two shots on goal all game against a good side I would be going absolutely ballistic.
Make no mistake, the players will know De Gea is poor and they will be talking about it amongst themselves in training and on WhatsApp. They will have no confidence in him whatsoever and this will effect their decision making.
Like many have said, replacing De Gea won’t turn Lindelof and Maguire into Vidic and Ferdinand but it will definitely help them
Exactly. Everyone makes mistakes. Alisson also succumbed under pressure.Allison just made the same error DDG did, yet the Sky Sports narrative was “he tried the best he could to parry it to safety”
True, but at least Allison’s all round game is decent. In truth the mistakes are the least of De Gea’s problems.Exactly. Everyone makes mistakes. Alisson also succumbed under pressure.
Care to show the stats instead of just guessing?Hilariously wrong statement by all accounts. De Gea has statistically been probably the worst keeper in the league, when you consider all the factors and the fact that he is the highest paid GK in the world.
Not sure what you mean by that. His distribution could be better at times, but I´ve never seen him as bad as Allison today. And there are very few keepers that can do the saves De Gea does.True, but at least Allison’s all round game is decent. In truth the mistakes are the least of De Gea’s problems.
These stats might change overnight after today's games, but as of this morning, out of the first choice goalkeepers in the league, De Gea isCare to show the stats instead of just guessing?
De Gea hasnt done a lot of clear cut errors this season, like last year, but there are a lot of situations where he should be doing more. The first and the third goal yesterday are 2 examples of it. Both not 100% errors like Alisson today, but it isnt good enough though.This PL season, according to OPTA.
Errors leading to chances: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 0.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 1.
Total errors: Alison 4, Ederson 2, De Gea 1.
Since the 18/19 PL season, according to OPTA.
Errors leading to chances: Alison 7, Ederson 6, De Gea 1.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 6, Ederson 4, De Gea 8.
Total errors: Alison 13, Ederson 10, De Gea 9.
De Gea is a problem for us, no doubt. But the extent to which he makes errors has been exaggerated when compared to the supposed two best goalkeepers.
I'm pretty sure the first goal yesterday was counted as an error for De Gea.De Gea hasnt done a lot of clear cut errors this season, like last year, but there are a lot of situations where he should be doing more. The first and the third goal yesterday are 2 examples of it. Both not 100% errors like Alisson today, but it isnt good enough though.
And if you look at shots saved, he is woeful. Ederson and Alisson made more clear cut mistakes this season, but they save more in general. De Gea was better there previously with more errors, but is now slacking in general with less errors. He is just not good enough.
Care to show the stats instead of just guessing?
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepers/Premier-League-Stats
Second last in % of shots saved, but 5th in % of matches that result in clean sheets. This means our defense is doing their job alright, but the goalkeeper is almost non-existent.
De Gea is not only costing us games now, he brings nothing to the team at this point. I have no idea why Henderson isn't playing. I don't want Ole to call him out in public, I just want him to drop him permanently. His performances this season overall might have cost us the chances of winning any trophies.
Alisson was a one-handed save at full (semi at worst) stretch. Can’t hold the ball in that case but just hope your defenders can help you out like Jones did when De Gea saved with his feet a few years back at Anfield. De Gea got two hands to a cross not on target, didn’t hold it but instead actually made it easier for the opposition to score.Allison just made the same error DDG did, yet the Sky Sports narrative was “he tried the best he could to parry it to safety”