There are obstacles to be overcome along class lines, I fully agree, but there are also major obstacles to overcome along racial lines. I find it utterly bizarre, if I'm honest, that your genuine position is there's no systemic class AND race issues in this country.
So it seems that they have dropped the BLM thing.I’m not convinced you have, on the TV coverage anyway, but you might be right.
I do know that they dropped the BLM badge on the shirts and changed it to “no room for racism”
This article here seems to say they dropped BLM altogether and stopped mentioning it since the start of this season.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ves-matter-badge-from-shirts-for-own-campaign
Anyway, my sidetracking is slightly irrelevant
“I fail to see”At the weekend the Irish and Scottish Rugby teams refused to take the Knee for BLM.
Surely this cringe show should now end and the silliness of millionaire footballers taking the knee before an empty stadium every week should stop.
Whilst I have sympathies with the problems in the United States I fail to see how millionaire footballers bending the knee each week does anything to help those in the States and certainly is something we have to worry about in the UK.
No matter what your view, BLM is a political Movement, I much prefer we aim to make all lives better no matter, and one thing that Rashford has highlighted in the UK is the divide between the haves and have nots regardless of colour.
I honestly believe this Premier League Wokeness needs to stop, and I fully support the Rugby Teams in taking a stand on this.
https://www.irishpost.com/news/enti...e-before-six-nations-tie-against-wales-203307
I would rather direct action than footballers taking a knee.
He hasn't responded to a single message I've sent him. He just has this idea that in "his view" things aren't that bad and taking the knee doesn't solve anything. So I tried to show him why I think he's wrong, and he seemingly doesn't want to hear it.
The whole issue of taking the knew in Premier League games was only brought about by the killing of George Floyd, would not accept that?
I’m no expert on the subject but as far as I am aware ‘taking the knee’ was first started before the George Floyd incident, think it was Colin Kaepernick who first took the knee as a protest against systemic racism (I think).
Ask me your question directly now then.
Yep. He's more interesting in batting back replies than actually learning. Considering the OP is technically a question he's not really taken anything on board.
Completely agree with that last part, and I think we’re all guilty of it at times, we need to consciously reframe our interactions (especially online) as a dialogue as opposed to ‘me versus you’.
Players taking the knee in the NFL was long before George Floyd.
Not sure if this has been covered before, but how has your white life been inconvenienced, and how can it be improved?
So why did the Premier league start doing it?
Jesus wept I need to stop reading your posts
Not what I am suggesting. I believe there are different reasons for why they have jumped onto the cause and its more to do with the demographics of the league and keeping us happy as opposed to anything else. As mentioned before we have KickItOut but clearly BLM was picked up by the masses as a trend so the EPL couldn't not jump on board.
Punishing racists is up to the authorities. Taking the knee is up to the players. It is a gesture meant to bring attention to a matter. Regardless of the effectiveness, it should be up to the players.
This. These guys don't even understand the concept, never mind changing their opinions.
If it's triggering them then it's doing something right. Its purpose is not to appease.
What question? You asked a question, I gave a response. It's been referenced to you 3 times by other posters, that's if you don't include my posting it a reference in the first place.
What is the actual problem with them taking a knee though?
Never pushed the players to stop, simply questioned what effect it is having, if any?
Is that your big concern is it?
It’s getting people talking about it and shedding light on the issues that are behind it.
The only reason someone should be against an act which is primarily to keep awareness up on racism, is if that act is actually becoming detrimental to the subject it's trying to raise. There's is literally NO other reason. If people want to raise points like "it's losing it's meaning" or "athletes are just doing it for social media", I can somewhat see the main focus being lost for the cause.
You clearly don't understand why the knee is taken. Nobody ever claimed it would 'defeat racism'.
Almost, you forgot “this who accuse others of racism are the real racists”.
And this really had to be explained.
You're so close.
Get your point, just feel there are lots of issues in life that are prevalent in football including a lot of phobias but we don't take a knee for those, anyway back on subject.
Isn't that a bit like saying about a memorial statue: "well everyone has seen it now, so what's the point. might as well tear it down again"? It means this wasn't just last summer's fad, it keeps the topic alive to a degree and I imagine it still means something to the people it is intended to support. Isn't this thread proof of that?
That's a good thing. Let the racists expose themselves and lets have a proper discussion.
Never said you pushed for it. I was speaking generally.
I’m struggling to find suitable words here...
