The bolded is a bit much for me and probably not something you want to assume but I generally agree with your point I just feel there are more direct things they can do like the examples stated above, just my opinion. I don't think making people talk/ discuss is worth it anymore, that's what you do at the beginning, people have awoken to this issue already, spreading the word isn't the solution anymore, it's directly combating it.
As Rugby refuses to take the knee, is it time the Premier League stopped too?
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"not as much as" doesn't mean shit, we can always do more, and the kids with racist parents gets shown a different way by their heroes. This is basically advertisement, which works extremely well on kids.
Bending the knee doesn't prohibit these alternative superior ways. It's a good addition.
What a poor idea and what a poor thread. Im disgusted and cringing that Irish players did this and an Irish person made this thread and you should reassess your life choices and be ashamed of yourself.At the weekend the Irish and Scottish Rugby teams refused to take the Knee for BLM.
Surely this cringe show should now end and the silliness of millionaire footballers taking the knee before an empty stadium every week should stop.
Whilst I have sympathies with the problems in the United States I fail to see how millionaire footballers bending the knee each week does anything to help those in the States and certainly is something we have to worry about in the UK.
No matter what your view, BLM is a political Movement, I much prefer we aim to make all lives better no matter, and one thing that Rashford has highlighted in the UK is the divide between the haves and have nots regardless of colour.
I honestly believe this Premier League Wokeness needs to stop, and I fully support the Rugby Teams in taking a stand on this.
https://www.irishpost.com/news/enti...e-before-six-nations-tie-against-wales-203307
Rado its how society is now. People just do not give a feck about anyone that is different to them. In fact they just only give a feck about themselves. I am sick of these cretins.
Did he get the abuse because he made a mistake or because he’s black? DeGea got a fair amount too and he’s white. I haven’t read the tweets as I don’t do ‘social media’ but if Tuanzebe is targeted purely for his colour, that is not right. In fact, any sportsman that makes a mistake should not be abused as none of them are perfect. OK to be frustrated if their error has cost a game, but abuse is unnecessary and counter productive.
To be brutally honest this fella should be fecked off the forum and I am not kidding in the slightest.
So do you think anyone with a racist parent will be a racist themselves?
Or do you feel that there will be a point in that person's life where they'll learn that having bigoted views aren't right and they can do the right thing if they so wish?
Back when I used to play rugby in secondary school, as year 11 captain one of our jobs early in the year was to run a training session for the year 7 rugby team. Plenty of benefits, as you can imagine. So as I'm introducing myself and shaking hands, one sweet little boy said "Sorry, my dad told me never to shake hands with a paki."
That supports your point doesn't it. This not-racist little boy said something racist because his dad and engrained that opinion into him from a young, impressionable age.
Anyway, I made a point that year to say hi to that kid every chance I got, volunteered to assistant referee year 7 games and joined in their coaching sessions just to show that child that pakis ain't bad. We don't all smell of curry and speak with an accent.
That kid shook my hand before the end of the year. Maybe I made a difference to that kid?
It takes something to get that conversation going and if a child's "idol" taking a knee has a chance of being that something, it is never a bad thing.
WHAT THE feck has this to do with racism?
Eh? He got abused because he made a mistake (which is totally wrong but a different discussion) and people chose to focus on his race to abuse him with.
When they abused De Gea they called him shite, overrated etc. They didn't focus on his race.
That's pretty clear isn't it?
I stopped reading after that line, you clearly need more education on the topic if you think everyone is taking the knee to show some form of solidarity to black people in the US, wether you think taking the knee for about 5 seconds before a football match is stupid or not I am always highly suspicious at the kind of people that get so annoyed about it, especially if they are white.At the weekend the Irish and Scottish Rugby teams refused to take the Knee for BLM.
Surely this cringe show should now end and the silliness of millionaire footballers taking the knee before an empty stadium every week should stop.
Whilst I have sympathies with the problems in the United States I fail to see how millionaire footballers bending the knee each week does anything to help those in the States and certainly is something we have to worry about in the UK.
No matter what your view, BLM is a political Movement, I much prefer we aim to make all lives better no matter, and one thing that Rashford has highlighted in the UK is the divide between the haves and have nots regardless of colour.
I honestly believe this Premier League Wokeness needs to stop, and I fully support the Rugby Teams in taking a stand on this.
https://www.irishpost.com/news/enti...e-before-six-nations-tie-against-wales-203307
If the reason is that he is black, it is wrong.
If the reason is that he did bad, but used his race as a stick to beat him with, it is wrong.
Reading your post it seems to me that you do not believe the second claim to be true, or?
What did I do??
Yeah but they’d “wager” that it doesn’t make a difference, so let’s not even try.
Seriously? I'm for the knee but if sports people, or any person, doesn't want to do it I'm not gonna be "disgusted and cringing" at them. It doesn't make them bad people.
He meant the op.
Don’t think he meant you.
Taking a knee is in essence really no different to matching in streets. It's highlighting and showing solidarity with an injustice.
There are obstacles to overcome in every phase in a black person's life. Studies show there are racial obstacles in the job market, in our hospitals for our elderly, in policing etc.
The idea that taking a knee, the most harmless inoffensive form of protest/solidarity with real life issues can trigger people so much is beyond absurd.
There are obstacles to overcome in every phase in a black person's life. Studies show there are racial obstacles in the job market, in our hospitals for our elderly, in policing etc.
The idea that taking a knee, the most harmless inoffensive form of protest/solidarity with real life issues can trigger people so much is beyond absurd.
I know lads, cheers.Don’t think he meant you.
The players don't have the authority or capacity to do anything. They are just players who have the privilege of millions tuning in to watch them. They have decided to use that platform. Lets be honest, some will always have an issue with what ever way a group of people decide to bring up the issue of racism. A lot of people feel uncomfortable with the topic and don't want any reminder.
As long as there is injustice, there should always be people who bring attention to it. Saying the issue is already widely known, so there is no need to discuss is or shed light on it doesn't wash.
On your first point. I insist on it. Imo, people aren't really bothered about the knee, they are bothered about why they take the knee.
If you feel it is all useless, the players, kneel for a minute or less. Why should anyone care?
I didnt say they were bad people. I however refuse to believe that a prime athlete cannot take a knee to show respect for his fellow human being
Ray Charles to it all, some people.
Just a reference that some people don't want to see the problems of the world.
Not you mate the OP, sorry
Yes. The amount of BLM stuff in the PL makes me feel like I'm living in a dystopia. The intensity of it feels like some bizarre brainwashing exercise. Very weird.
for fecks sakeI get it, was having a laugh pal.
I can’t tell if this is satire?
What are you talking about?
It's basically 1985 mate. Scary stuff this fight against racism.
Don't be racist.
"Hey fellas anyone else feel like they're being brainwashed?"
"Hey fellas anyone else feel like they're being brainwashed?"
Premier league don’t even use BLM anymore, people see what they want to see.
Fecking hell.
You see fighting racism as a negative?
If only the brainwashing was more effective we could all move on together faster.
Maybe the username is a reference to his current worldview.
Its a fecking 5 second taking the knee? how is it any more dystopian than a minutes silence for feck sake?
I did a little experiment with one of the matches towards the back end of last year when Sky were doing their interstitial screen and found that between the kneeling, timer adverts, hoarding adverts, interstitial adverts, tarp adverts etc. that there was a reference to BLM or adjacent messaging every 12 seconds on average. That, to me, goes beyond merely making a point about a cause, to the extent of being invasive.
Irrelevant. A player shouldn't have to fear making a mistake in case people use it as an excuse to vent their racist rhetoric.
I sympathise with the original poster who's made a thread that would likely lead to stick no matter what.
Personally, I believe taking the knee has been a worthwhile endeavour for an important cause but feel it has ran its course in terms of impact. It now needs to be built upon with action from governing bodies and players themselves such as pressuring social media companies for more transparency and of course a zero tolerance approach in the stadiums when fans return.
However vile the abuse is, we needn't extrapolate the racist cowardice of every 14 year old or horrible cretin who anonymously posts online. If that is the barometer or end goal here, then it is about as realistic as taking a knee until nobody murders anymore. The sport itself has a duty to promote equal opportunity, maintain standards of respect among all involved, eradicate racism from stadiums and of course to project this good example to its global audience. Without definable goals, we will just take the knee until the end of time. Those with the resources to do so, must now replace it with greater than symbolic steps.
Not doing more than taking the knee is similar to clapping for the NHS rather than actually paying the staff properly and giving them what they need to perform their jobs
Personally, I believe taking the knee has been a worthwhile endeavour for an important cause but feel it has ran its course in terms of impact. It now needs to be built upon with action from governing bodies and players themselves such as pressuring social media companies for more transparency and of course a zero tolerance approach in the stadiums when fans return.
However vile the abuse is, we needn't extrapolate the racist cowardice of every 14 year old or horrible cretin who anonymously posts online. If that is the barometer or end goal here, then it is about as realistic as taking a knee until nobody murders anymore. The sport itself has a duty to promote equal opportunity, maintain standards of respect among all involved, eradicate racism from stadiums and of course to project this good example to its global audience. Without definable goals, we will just take the knee until the end of time. Those with the resources to do so, must now replace it with greater than symbolic steps.
Not doing more than taking the knee is similar to clapping for the NHS rather than actually paying the staff properly and giving them what they need to perform their jobs
Oh no, they were mentioning race issues too often. Poor you for having to hear and watch that. What is wrong with some people, fecking hell.
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