That's why Wes Brown and David May are legends.
Is De Gea Man Utd Legend?
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No. He was unlucky in that the years he was absolutely brilliant for us, we were too crap to win anything of note.
Yes. It is. They are.
Never. Complete liability for the past 2.5 years. Absolutely nothing to show for in European comps other than bottlejobs. History won’t be kind to him.
Legend for not leaving sooner. He could've easily jumped ship
Alternatively he was a plucky underdog who rose to the occasion when expectations were low. And failed miserably when we were expected to win things. He let both his club and his country down so many times in knockout competitions when the pressure was on. The guy isn’t a winner. Never has had that mentality, never will.
There’s no clear metric, just feeling imo. Ole wasn’t the greatest ever striker and Cantona wasn’t here years and years. Both absolute legends.
What knockout competition did he let us down in?
Short memories. De Gea was the best keeper in the world for years. He and Neuer had no competition.
I love VDS and I think he was better for longer, but he was not the best in the world for as long as DDG was. He also played behind the best defence in the history of this club, and statistically one of the best club defences ever.
'hE iS a gOod shOt sToPpeR nOt a gOod goAlkeEpEr' as if we are talking about Brad Friedel ffs.
So Sir Alex, LVG and Jose are all idiots. Okay.
I love VDS and I think he was better for longer, but he was not the best in the world for as long as DDG was. He also played behind the best defence in the history of this club, and statistically one of the best club defences ever.
'hE iS a gOod shOt sToPpeR nOt a gOod goAlkeEpEr' as if we are talking about Brad Friedel ffs.
So Sir Alex, LVG and Jose are all idiots. Okay.
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When I say legend I think of Sir Bobby, Law, Best, Scholes, Giggs and even Rooney to a certain extent. Does DDG come close to any of these guys? Nope
Than we have cult heroes aka semi legends: Cantona, Neville, Robson, Copell, Beckham, Ronaldo, Ferdinand, Vidic, VDS, Schmeichel, Keane.
Dave was a really good player, but nowhere near the guys mentioned above. A comparable player would be RvN. A unidemenssional player that joined us during our barren years. Only to be moved on when more rounded players became available.
Than we have cult heroes aka semi legends: Cantona, Neville, Robson, Copell, Beckham, Ronaldo, Ferdinand, Vidic, VDS, Schmeichel, Keane.
Dave was a really good player, but nowhere near the guys mentioned above. A comparable player would be RvN. A unidemenssional player that joined us during our barren years. Only to be moved on when more rounded players became available.
The only reason he didn't leave was a bizarre paperwork error.
He would have been a Real Madrid player, and we would have had Keylor Navas as our keeper for the past five years.
VDS was part of the reason we had one of the best defenses ever, he knew how to lead from the back and inspired confidence which was contagious. DDG doesn’t transmit confidence to his defense because he is too error prone.
Top 3 of greatest United Gk. 434 games and counting for us. A total pro in his 10+ years with us. That should be enough as a legend.
He's not a legend when you put him side by side of the two best GK in PL era history who just happened to play for United. Even if they played with better defenses than DDG, they are still the better GKs. And that's okay. He has been a top top player for United and was a world class player for a good run. Won the league, both domestic cups, and a European cup with United. Fantastic player for United.
I don't think he is but his performances have been good enough, he was just unfortunate to have been at his peak when we were absolute shit
If he'd been in a Fergie team for 5/6 years he'd have enough trophies to warrant the status
If he turns his form around and wins a couple of major trophies from here, I'd put him there
If he'd been in a Fergie team for 5/6 years he'd have enough trophies to warrant the status
If he turns his form around and wins a couple of major trophies from here, I'd put him there
Bryan Robson didn't win that much trophies with us either. His two PL titles was at the end of his career with us, when he was riddled with injuries.
Voted no with a heavy heart. David is without a doubt the greatest United player of the post-Fergie era but falls just a bit short of All-Time legendary stature for the club, I reckon — unless you expand the category to include over a couple dozen players across all positions and adulterate the significance of the term. When I think of legendary goalkeepers for a specific club the likes of Casillas (who was a testament to the institution of Madrid as well as an exquisite performer), Gregg (worse off than De Gea as a pure goalkeeper but an absolute legend because of heroics during the Munich air disaster) or Ceni (gave 20+ years to São Paulo and served as team captain for 700+ matches) come to mind.
An obviously brilliant player who enjoyed an extended stint as a world-class performer (where he was either the best or the second best goalkeeper in club football behind Neuer), saved our bacon on innumerable occasions and gave his peak-performance years to United, but all things considered David is not a mythical/transcendental figure who will reverberate through the ages from a narrative standpoint, and there's a noticeable gulf between him and bona fide legends like Charlton, Giggs, Best or Scholes.
Would readily include him in the great or semi-legend tier, though...in the company of van Nistelrooy, for example — intuitively, that category makes the most sense for him as while both he and Ruud were tremendous individuals (and among the very best in the world at the peak of their powers), there's a certain je ne sais quoi lacking in their United resumé; it's not even about “winning”, for what it's worth — think of the cometh-the-hour romance associated with Gregg, the maniacal leadership of Keane, the bravado and influence of Robson, or the charismatic genius of Cantona — standout qualities that made them more than just top, top performers in individual terms, and pushed them into the legendary tier.
An obviously brilliant player who enjoyed an extended stint as a world-class performer (where he was either the best or the second best goalkeeper in club football behind Neuer), saved our bacon on innumerable occasions and gave his peak-performance years to United, but all things considered David is not a mythical/transcendental figure who will reverberate through the ages from a narrative standpoint, and there's a noticeable gulf between him and bona fide legends like Charlton, Giggs, Best or Scholes.
Would readily include him in the great or semi-legend tier, though...in the company of van Nistelrooy, for example — intuitively, that category makes the most sense for him as while both he and Ruud were tremendous individuals (and among the very best in the world at the peak of their powers), there's a certain je ne sais quoi lacking in their United resumé; it's not even about “winning”, for what it's worth — think of the cometh-the-hour romance associated with Gregg, the maniacal leadership of Keane, the bravado and influence of Robson, or the charismatic genius of Cantona — standout qualities that made them more than just top, top performers in individual terms, and pushed them into the legendary tier.
What's your take on Rooney and Ronaldo?
I find it impossible to define to be honest. Usually, I think someone like Ronaldo who spent his best years at Madrid, is not a United legend. Whereas Rooney who is our record goalscorer and arguably the biggest overall contributor in our 5 titles and 1 CL (and 2 finals) in 7 years incredible run has to be. But United fans generally have a bit of a unending crush on Ronaldo whereas Rooney tends to get no love. So is it contribution or peak level or how iconic the player was or the fan affection towards them? I really don't know. It probably depends on how wide a net one wants to have.
I said it some time ago.
I think Rooney definitely is, and Ronaldo isn't, but he could be if he came back and retired here, whether winning a PL or not.
He should be legend!! He carried us after post-Sir Alex era (2013-2018) and although he considered to leave and he cloud be easier to find more competitive clubs but he still stayed (for many reasons), served and saved us in the dark period as a one of the best GK in the world and only world class player in the team to make the team to a competitive position.
Ooh, I have trouble categorizing them too, but looking back at their United careers (with the caveat that this is not a carefully considered opinion)...
- Rooney has to be there, warts and all. Spent 13 years at the club...giving us the full scope of his peak, almost always left his all on the pitch, an archetypal United player in terms of vigor and application and selflessness, an imperfect but effective leader, a tireless worker for the most part, an inspirational/galvanizing presence on the field, All-Time leading scorer, highest assist-maker of the Premier League era after Giggs — while I obviously wouldn't dare to put him in the same class as Charlton or Scholes...who had close to perfect resumés, he has too much going in his favor from an objective standpoint to not be included in the broader legend tier.
- Cristiano has to be there as well, if only towards the end of the legend category. His stature can definitely be contested because he departed too early and didn't give us the majority of his best years, and seemed totally enamored with Madrid in the death throes of his United tenure — but someone who was arguably the best player in club history in terms of distilled performance, arguably the best entertainer after Best, and spear-headed the advent of Fergie's third great team (following a somewhat gloomy period where it seemed like Abramovich's Chelsea would institute a hegemony in English football) while becoming only the fourth United player to win a Ballon D'Or should be there or thereabouts?
Thing is, there's such a wide spectrum of reasons to consider someone to be a legend. I'm wary of considering Ronaldo as one but he was hugely iconic for us without doubt. Then I see someone like Ole who is universally loved and considered as a legend but in terms of actual quality, we've had so many better. I mean, RVN was a better footballer as were the likes of Vidic, Evra, DDG etc They weren't "super subs" for us but they were giant pillars of us week in week out.
So it seems as though applying a metric is nearly impossible and in the end it's either a very wide net, or comes down to personal connect or memory.
Give me a break Raoul, I've already explained why my original post was crap.
Cantona, Robson and Keane are indisputable to me and go there without thinking.
De gea (despite me voting yes) can be debatable and by my very own metric (ironically) in terms if you have a player that causes an actual debate among fans whether he is one or not, he doesn't go into that very top or indisputable one. The emotional connection that fans have with player would also be the most important one and not the sheer amount of trophies won.
By that metric: Edwards, Charlton, Best, Law, Robson, Cantona, Keane, Giggs, Scholes, Gregg
We might go with the tiers and then have something like a tier of great players and De Gea is there without any doubt.
The term is a subjective one for sure and in that sense everyone is absolutely right to point or add various players for different reason (Solskjaer to me also goes into above mentioned group). Also, if a specific player brought you to the club you will almost certainly look at him in that category.
Not legendary status, i don't want to devalue the word. I would say he was a cult hero, great servant, some great performances, but just not at the level of world class. I think his lack of vocals separate him from the legendary goalkeepers, he just does not have enough presence. He sometimes looks like a like child in our goal.
At his peak he was absolutely world class. Best keeper in the premier league for 5/6 years and arguably the best in the world. That’s world class by most metrics.
Not really. I’d say icon. Legend for me is different. He didn’t really win anything here. I associate legends with trophies.
I have him on the same level as Teddy Sheringham. Not quite a legend, but a valued icon.
I have him on the same level as Teddy Sheringham. Not quite a legend, but a valued icon.
That's a tough one.
I'd rate him above Barthez but below Sealey in the legend list......
Of course he is, No having more votes is showing how people quickly forget all the good you do in the past, a joke.
No.
He has been an excellent player for us, but at Manchester United to be amongst our very best players ever - you have to achieve so much more.
Big Pete and VDS could both he considered club legends in the GK position because as well as being excellent goalkeepers, they were leaders at the back and integral parts of winning teams.
DDG arguably could be considered the best keeper of the three at his peak, but he's no leader and he's been unlucky not to have won more.
He has been an excellent player for us, but at Manchester United to be amongst our very best players ever - you have to achieve so much more.
Big Pete and VDS could both he considered club legends in the GK position because as well as being excellent goalkeepers, they were leaders at the back and integral parts of winning teams.
DDG arguably could be considered the best keeper of the three at his peak, but he's no leader and he's been unlucky not to have won more.
When exactly were we expected to win things after Fergie left? I assume that you mean big titles?
I was going to post the same 4 , DDG and Stepney are about equal for me.
Please tell me you are joking ?
half joking.
It was a very thrown together list. Ole is a legend for me too.
As for Valencia. He made 241 premier league appearances for Utd with the following.
Manchester United
- Premier League: 2010–11, 2012–13
- FA Cup: 2015–16
- EFL Cup: 2009–10, 2016–17
- FA Community Shield: 2010, 2013, 2016
- UEFA Europa League: 2016–17
Individual
- PFA Team of the Year: 2009–10 Premier League
- Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year: 2011–12[46][108]
- Manchester United Players' Player of the Year: 2011–12, 2016–17
- Manchester United Goal of the Year: 2011–12
Anyway. The thread is about Ge Gea and he's not top tier for me (Neither is Valencia).
His performance at Bernabeu against Jose Madrid? The stage can't be much bigger than that and at the age of 23.
You could say that RVP not being at his usual level in that tie cost us going further (along with that Cakir cnut) or most likely to the semifinal as Madrid went to face Galatasaray in the next stage.
So, the only time he did have a very good team with Fergie on the bench he did deliver and in quite a brilliant manner.
That just isn't true. Van Der Sar made more than his fair share of mistakes both at United and before that too. They just tend to get punished and remembered less when you play in an excellent team that's capable of winning regardless.
Yes! He was our best player for an extended period and top 3 in the world at one point. You can't hold it against him that we didn't win many prizes. If people at smaller clubs that never win anything did, they wouldn't have any club legends.
He singlehandedly won us so many points in those LVG years, we'd have been on the right side of the table if we had the same level of mediocrity in goal as we did in midfield.
He singlehandedly won us so many points in those LVG years, we'd have been on the right side of the table if we had the same level of mediocrity in goal as we did in midfield.