Short answer is it varies. If it was my mum (and I wish it was!) I’d be telling her to continue to be careful until after the second dose. Although I’d inwardly be a hell of a lot less worried about her today than I was before she got the first jab.
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Short answer is it varies. If it was my mum (and I wish it was!) I’d be telling her to continue to be careful until after the second dose. Although I’d inwardly be a hell of a lot less worried about her today than I was before she got the first jab.
Thanks! I was a bit taken aback when I read it because after she first got the jab I read a report that the first dose Pfizer was much less effective than that.
A start but nowhere near enough. Given the colonial connection we owe them even more care than we do the other surrounding nations. Once we get the Oxford vaccine production ramped up from later this month I'd like to see us ramp up supply of vaccines to PNG, Timor Leste and other pacific nations. A good opportunity to prove we are truly part of the region and as Pogue mentioned it helps us keep covid at bay as well.
@Stack how is NZ's vaccine supply? Given we can produce the Oxford vaccine in Melbourne we should also be helping NZ if their supply is suboptimal.
We are quite low in supply. The Govt dont appear to be too worried about it and have kind of accepted that Europe needs to be higher on the pecking order. Given that life here for most is quite normal it makes sense for us to be patient and wait till the places needing the vaccines get it first. Our rollout looks slower than most. I think we have vaccinated about 25,000 border staff and now comes the families of border staff and the most vulnerable. The general populace isnt due to start being vaccinated until late July early August. I know we are getting the Pfiser one and that we have some agreement with Aussie once they start manufacture.
95 deaths today compared to 181 last Thursday. Really good downward progress on these lower figures.
Daft BBC still advertising 141 deaths today. Those were yesterday's figures.
Daft BBC still advertising 141 deaths today. Those were yesterday's figures.
95 deaths today compared to 181 last Thursday. Really good downward progress on these lower figures.
Daft BBC still advertising 141 deaths today. Those were yesterday's figures.
Didn’t seem that long ago we were still at 1000 deaths a day. Great progress.
Mike’s the man.
Knew you were a fan..
He must believe he is a great thinker or political philosopher...
Covid has nothing to do with climate change
Increased population density allows pandemics to flourish, he literally says it within 10 seconds of the video starting.
This site is showing a significant worldwide uptick in cases which is now being followed by deaths in the usual two weeks-ish lull
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
What I can't figure out is where they are occurring though? The countries with the highest tolls of the pandemic overall seem to be seeing steep declines, so I'm assuming the increase is a combination of a number of countries - I just can't work out which ones they are. Anyone have any ideas?
I think it might be eastern/central Europe, but wasn't sure and it's hard to ascertain from the news.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
What I can't figure out is where they are occurring though? The countries with the highest tolls of the pandemic overall seem to be seeing steep declines, so I'm assuming the increase is a combination of a number of countries - I just can't work out which ones they are. Anyone have any ideas?
I think it might be eastern/central Europe, but wasn't sure and it's hard to ascertain from the news.
There’s been a big increase in cases in almost every European country, as the UK variant starts to become dominant.
Haven’t really been following the rest of the world but I do know that Brazil is in the horrors as well, with a nasty variant all of its own.
Covid has a devastating impact in geographical areas (e.g. rural) where the population density is low.
Pandemics are not a function of the size of the global population.
I agree and disagree. Yes Covid has impacted some rural areas, I would suspect rural areas have been hit less than more urban areas but don't have the energy to look for studies to back that opinion up.
The point Mike Ryan is making, which I agree with, is that climate change forces areas of great population density and that results in less sanitary conditions, closer contact, and more potential trigger points for the next pandemic.
Eastern Europe has been battered, many countries around the 1700 deaths per million and that's being unaffected last spring/summer. Czech Republic are 2200 deaths per million, all coming within the last 5-6 months.
Poland still seeing 300-400 deaths, been like this since Nov, doesn't seem to be much effort in trying halt it.
Poland still seeing 300-400 deaths, been like this since Nov, doesn't seem to be much effort in trying halt it.
Here we go. Delays on second doses. What a surprise
I agree.
From the BBC:
BBC News - Covid: UK death rate 'no longer Europe's worst' by winter
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56456312
Yes! Get in there! Loads more people will die in other countries so we don't look quite so bad anymore. What a win for Boris and chums.
BBC News - Covid: UK death rate 'no longer Europe's worst' by winter
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56456312
Yes! Get in there! Loads more people will die in other countries so we don't look quite so bad anymore. What a win for Boris and chums.
Data only goes to mid-December last year as well. So ignores the most recent wave. Which (I think?) caused more deaths than the first.
Don't agree at all with your last point.
As the human population increased unchecked, it is obvious that we are going to take more and more land. Which inevitably leads to us being in ever closer contact with the wild animals.
Unfortunately, human beings act as if this planet is there just for us to do as we choose. And to hell with the rest of the living species.
And that arrogance is only going to end very badly.
You are right to some extent if Covid is a natural event, which I am not sure.
I do wonder if 'we' will ever know the truth.
But from what I have read, it appears the most likely cause.
What do you mean by that statement?
More covid cases in NL today than the UK, with a population a quarter of the size.
Cases falling in UK cases rising in mainland Europe. A total fkin shitshow of incompetence.
Cases falling in UK cases rising in mainland Europe. A total fkin shitshow of incompetence.
Some sense
Yup. I lasted 7 minutes. No idea who that guy is but he seems a bit thick. Bit of a knob too.
That’s an average comedian laying out his ill-informed analysis of Covid-19 to an extremely below average comedian who’s probably fantasising about elk meat more than listening.
Some sense finally.
I like the message of questioning everything, Corona has become like a religion you can't question
Interesting article on Covid in Russia. The official line is victory over Europe but the excess death numbers are more than 4x higher than the governments official figures.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56454701
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56454701
And who are you ? A below average poster on an internet forum I guess right ..
I’m someone who no one should ever listen to for genuine insight into how to handle a global pandemic.
So roughly the same category as Joe Rogan and Jim Breuer.
My parents living in Mexico just got their first shot of Pfizer. Words cannot accurately describe my joy and relief. Amazingly lucky too, since Mexico does not have a lot of Pfizer in its vaccine supply. It's mostly Sinovac and Astra over there.
Congratulations, that's great news to hear!
The UK has been in lockdown since the start of January. What did you expect?
You think other places haven’t been? What’s your point?
Europe hasnt been. Most places opened up again around the same time as the UK closed. It's the same third wave hitting at different times, nothing to do with competence or incompetence.
To be precise, it’s the UK variant ripping through the Uk first, then Ireland, then mainland Europe. Measures that were in place to contain the previous variants are as useful as a chocolate teapot against this thing. Which every country is learning, one at a time. Even places that have got off extremely lightly so far, like Norway, are being absolutely hammered once this variant starts to dominate.
Simply that the cause of the disease is obscure.
Start of November I would say