[Kamprad]

Could be a matter of confidence. But if not he should be replaced. It’s such a big part of the game today with VAR and everything, many games are decided by penalties. He almost looked beaten even before the penalties were taken.

 

[Baneofthegame]

While I think he looked like he had no confidence in his own penalties, a lot of Villareals were great pens, we definitely need to move on from him though in my opinion.

 

[atkar83]

11 perfect penalties, only one at the center. I mean, I've watched it all again...how the heck can you save one of those?

No disrespect meant, but what does this mean? Only shots to the center get saved? Or that Henderson would also have missed all those?

He never looked close to saving anything. Even VDS in the champions league final let some in but you felt there was a chance he could get one. Even when De Gea guessed right he either jumped early or didn't have strong enough hands to knock them away.

 

[redshaw]

I blame the manager and the mess of the club who decided to make him the highest paid keeper in the world, one who can't save a pen and is so far below the law of average at stopping, utterly ridiculous.

Romero is easily better. A powerful intimidating keeper frozen out through a ridiculous contract for De Gea and a young keeper demanding to be played or he's leaving. Giving a contract like this to De Gea is a rod for our own back and it's how we lose in situations like this. I've warned about this multiple times, this is not hindsight.

The warning signs were there when he kept making errors in our bid for top 4 in 2019 and sheer lack of penalty saves. What did we do after failing to reach top 4 that summer, reward his mediocrity with an obscene contract of 6 years.

It's fitting all those pens went past him and he couldn't score his, the club and manager should've never allowed it to get to this stage, the history of him not saving a pen and his decline was very evident in 2019.

The club now looks to be going into next season with Henderson and Heaton, a young keeper we don't know enough about and a past it one that's had about 4-5 years of regular playing at Burnley in his whole career. We can only hope the small in height and frame Henderson can cut it, youth is on his side but I don't see this situation as a basis for challenging.

 

[Sylar]

With other keepers you see players put it wide thinking you have to his the corners or just inside the post. Villareal took some really good penalties but mostly it was a case of hit the target and score

He didn't look confident at all taking his penalty. As soon as he stood to take it you could see where it was going and what will happen.

I think this notion that he's a goalkeeper so not being able to take a penalty in 2021 is a bit nonsense given we saw how their goalkeeper took one

It's a shame hes been a good servant but we won't challenge anymore with him in goal. His flaws outweigh his positives now

 

[meamth]

No disrespect meant, but what does this mean? Only shots to the center get saved? Or that Henderson would also have missed all those?

He never looked close to saving anything. Even VDS in the champions league final let some in but you felt there was a chance he could get one. Even when De Gea guessed right he either jumped early or didn't have strong enough hands to knock them away.

1 out of 11penalties were perfectly executed. You can't save those off the line.

 

[Siezard]

To be fair, you can clearly see all players trained well for the penalties. Can't blame De Gea for being the best in the world at one point and still fighting on for his spot.

Now goalkeeper have to strictly stay on the line when the penalty is taken and so it is much harder to make a save now.

 

[Freak]

He’s not a penalty keeper. I thought we established that a long time ago. But yet Ole keeps him on. It’s on Ole .

 

[Cast5]

Well done Spanish Dave.

 

[Bobcat]

Don't blame him for missing it. 11-10 on penalties, someone was bound to miss, unlucky to be him.

As for stopping them... holy shit is he useless at saving pens.

This. Not going to blame a GK for missing a PK, but he bloody well should do a much better job saving them.

11 pens and he wasnt even close to any of them

 

[2 man midfield]

36 in a row conceded now. This is more than just luck, the guy sucks at it. He wasn’t even close with most of them.

 

[Renegade]

He hasn’t been a penalty goalkeeper for years now. Don’t we have world class coaches for this kind of thing? How can you show no improvement or development for this long in a particular skill?

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

There is no blame to be put on him. Did nothing wrong in my books. Penalty shoot outs are like the lottery, and how often does it happen that all 20 players score and the keepers need to step up?
You saw it in his eyes before he took his shot that it's over.

 

[Tincanalley]

100% agree with @Cnaiür urs Skiötha - actually feel sorry for Dave. How many times has he saved our collective ass?

 

[TheMitz]

He's been a great keeper for us over the years, saved us numerous points each season. However I was really shocked by how poor his distribution was last night.

 

[UnitedFan93]

I blame the manager and the mess of the club who decided to make him the highest paid keeper in the world, one who can't save a pen and is so far below the law of average at stopping, utterly ridiculous.

Romero is easily better. A powerful intimidating keeper frozen out through a ridiculous contract for De Gea and a young keeper demanding to be played or he's leaving. Giving a contract like this to De Gea is a rod for our own back and it's how we lose in situations like this. I've warned about this multiple times, this is not hindsight.

The warning signs were there when he kept making errors in our bid for top 4 in 2019 and sheer lack of penalty saves. What did we do after failing to reach top 4 that summer, reward his mediocrity with an obscene contract of 6 years.

It's fitting all those pens went past him and he couldn't score his, the club and manager should've never allowed it to get to this stage, the history of him not saving a pen and his decline was very evident in 2019.

The club now looks to be going into next season with Henderson and Heaton, a young keeper we don't know enough about and a past it one that's had about 4-5 years of regular playing at Burnley in his whole career. We can only hope the small in height and frame Henderson can cut it, youth is on his side but I don't see this situation as a basis for challenging.

Agree

The way the club has treated Romero has been nothing short of a disgrace. Sergio has never let the club down whenever he's played yet he has been completely frozen out. So much for a family club.

Romero would have filled the goal last night and saved some of those penalties, plus his mentality seems better.

 

[11101]

I don't blame him one bit. He had a good game with very little to do. We all know he's no good at penalties, so why was he left in goal for them? That's not his fault. And no fecking way should we be relying on a keeper to take a penalty.

 

[Welbeckham]

What is he good at nowadays?

I don’t think even Ole genuinely trusts him, but he tends to keep on playing underperforming players. And probably nobody wanting to sign him is part of the problem, we should have just freezed him over two years ago.

 

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[Highfather_24]

He was the world's best goalkeeper from 2015 to 2018. He was a brilliant keeper from 2012 to 2015. And he has been an average keeper from 2018-present. All these things are true, its not a binary "he's shit", or "he's world class".

Time to leave De Gea. Thanks for all the years of service. Could have easily left in 2014 when RM came knocking, but he was loyal. Fans were begging him to stay then.

Onwards.

 

[Walrus]

I don’t particularly blame De Gea, but his penalty record is abysmal. Ole arguably should have brought Henderson on for the shootout.

 

[Oranges038]

I think his time here is done. Has been a great player for the club, but it's time for Henderson to be given the oppurtunity to prove he has what it takes.

Must be said he did nothing wrong last night aside from the penalty miss. If it gets that far and your relying on your keeper to score a penalty in the shootout there's something else that's gone wrong.

He also must be the only goalkeeper I've ever seen be roundly criticised so much for not saving a penalty. It's like all the other facets of his game that are lacking get projected into this one thing.

For example Petr Cech went 4 or 5 years without saving one.

Peter Schmeichel only ever saved 3, 1 for United.

Ederson went 3 years without saving one for City.

Never seen any of these have it put down as such a major flaw in their game.

 

[thepolice123]

Romero is easily better. A powerful intimidating keeper frozen out through a ridiculous contract for De Gea and a young keeper demanding to be played or he's leaving.

I like Romero but powerful and intimidating keeper?

 

[JustinC00]

Still your best keeper

Wrong

 

[Conor]

The problem with him is that he is so bad at saving penalties, that opposition players don't have to really try that hard to beat him. This means that you're very unlikely to see a penalty go over/wide against him, which means him saving one is literally the only way someone is going to miss. If you know that the keeper you're up against is shocking at saving penalties, you are just going play it safe and hit one with decent power left or right of centre.

 

[sullydnl]

The nature of his technique on penalties would seem to suggest he would only be able to save relatively poor penalties that are placed more centrally. Which is a undeniable problem.

It raises a few questions though.

1) His record early in his career was actually good, so what happened? Was that just blind luck or did he change technique at some point for some reason?

2) He's been at the club for years under several managers and goalkeeping coaches. Why haven't any of them addressed his penalty technique if it's that much of a problem?

3) Even with that technique, you'd still expect him to save a few penalties if he goes in the right direction. So how good are those goalkeeping coaches who failed to address his technique at prepping him for penalties? It's not like he guesses on his own, he is actually given notes on what to do for each taker.

I mean the penalties yesterday were of a particularly high standard so fine, but I'm sure lots of the others he missed were saveable even for him and even with the technique he uses. Luck will obviously be a massive factor but really it's something that should have been fixable.

 

[diarm]

I don't mind the penalties. It's the never coming off his line for crosses and having zero presence in his box that wrecks my head the most.

Edit: Actually I do mind a bit about the penalties. Falling over meekly while the taker is halfway through his run up is a bit pathetic.

 

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[Zlatattack]

He was the world's best goalkeeper from 2015 to 2018. He was a brilliant keeper from 2012 to 2015. And he has been an average keeper from 2018-present. All these things are true, its not a binary "he's shit", or "he's world class".

Time to leave De Gea. Thanks for all the years of service. Could have easily left in 2014 when RM came knocking, but he was loyal. Fans were begging him to stay then.

Onwards.

I was going to say this. He's been very good for us, but lately he's been pretty average, for a couple of seasons now. He needs a fresh challenge, we need a goalkeeper with something to prove.

 

[Kamprad]

I think his time here is done. Has been a great player for the club, but it's time for Henderson to be given the oppurtunity to prove he has what it takes.

Must be said he did nothing wrong last night aside from the penalty miss. If it gets that far and your relying on your keeper to score a penalty in the shootout there's something else that's gone wrong.

He also must be the only goalkeeper I've ever seen be roundly criticised so much for not saving a penalty. It's like all the other facets of his game that are lacking get projected into this one thing.

For example Petr Cech went 4 or 5 years without saving one.

Peter Schmeichel only ever saved 3, 1 for United.

Ederson went 3 years without saving one for City.

Never seen any of these have it put down as such a major flaw in their game.

Agree to a certain extent. But it’s also the way he concede penalties. You could clearly see the lack of confidence. He was halfheartedly trying different things in a Cup final. Going early, staying in the middle etc. Maybe it’s just a matter of confidence. If he saves one or two he’ll be better. But if it’s not a confidence issue that’s a big problem.

 

[sullydnl]

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Grim way to bow out.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Thought he should have done better for their goal too. The touch wasn't like it was point blank, and it hardly went in with any speed either. He just seemed completely wooden and fell over with it floating in above him.

I don't blame him for missing his penalty, but he really could have done better with a few of their penalties. It was frustrating to see him practically already on the floor before they even shot.

 

[izec]

Brutal way of leaving OT. Could have gone as a hero, going as a loser now.

He should have looked for a new challenge years ago. He wont recover here from this, he will stay a liability. There is no return for him here after this. Hope he finds a new club and can rise to the challenge again.

 

[The White Pele]

Is anyone apportioning any blame to him for the goal? Looking at how high our defensive line started and where Moreno eventually made contact (maybe 8 or 9 yards out) I’m not sure if De Gea couldn’t have dealt with it. Maybe I’m being overly critical

 

[The Urban Goose]

Is anyone apportioning any blame to him for the goal? Looking at how high our defensive line started and where Moreno eventually made contact (maybe 8 or 9 yards out) I’m not sure if De Gea couldn’t have dealt with it. Maybe I’m being overly critical

No, not for the goal, just the penalties embarrassment.

 

[led_scholes]

What really bothers me is his kicking. He gives the ball to the opponent 3-4 times per game.

You also expect the highest paid GK in the world to save a penalty every now and then.

Up until 2018, some of his attributes were outweighing his negatives alot. Its the third year that he has been underperforming. Yeah he gave us 5 years of absolute brilliance. Do we have to keep him for 5 years of absolute shakiness? We have insisted with him, while he was paid well enough. The message should be clear; find a club or stay the undisputed number 2.

 

[bsCallout]

Is anyone apportioning any blame to him for the goal? Looking at how high our defensive line started and where Moreno eventually made contact (maybe 8 or 9 yards out) I’m not sure if De Gea couldn’t have dealt with it. Maybe I’m being overly critical

It wouldn't surprise me if another top keeper dealt with that. Started further off their line knowing the cross is coming.

 

[The Hilton]

Didn't really do anything right last night - not at fault for their goal but could have done better, immediately before the free kick he cleared the ball directly to their player, didn't save any pens, some of which were very saveable, and gently caressed his penalty to their keeper.

He's been a fantastic servant of the club, and was the best keeper in the world for some time here, but his composure deserted him a couple of seasons ago and he's been poor since. Considering he's one of the club's top earners, it's high time we looked at moving him on.

 

[Acole9]

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Why did he play last night then.

 

[Oranges038]

Is anyone apportioning any blame to him for the goal? Looking at how high our defensive line started and where Moreno eventually made contact (maybe 8 or 9 yards out) I’m not sure if De Gea couldn’t have dealt with it. Maybe I’m being overly critical

I posted this in the other thread. This is my take on it.

It's a fantastic delivery into a great area, the players to blame here are Shaw, for letting his man run again and Lindelof for being weak as piss again.

If you look at the trajectory of the ball and where the striker makes contact with the ball it is just about 8 or 9 yards out and about 3 feet off the ground. There's not much chance DDG can come for it there at that height.

The ideal height for him to claim is when it's coming toward the penalty spot. That's 6 or 8 yards away from his original position.

The ball is struck at 28.51 it hits their player at 28.53. He has about 1.5 seconds to make it from where he is to there. Is there anyone that can cover that distance from standing in under 2 seconds?

Where I would be super critical of DDG is on the save, once again he is diving backwards. He also pushes off the wrong foot, and because if that it's less of a dive and more of a backwards fall.