Vaccine pissing contest. Really?
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Probably. The initial 12 week gap between jabs, which is now 8 weeks, has caused huge delays compared to EU countries, where’s its 3/4 weeks I believe? I can book a slot at my local vaccine centre for any day, any time next week. Yet I can’t bring it forward from Sunday as that will be 8 weeks to the day since my first. This would suggest that it isn’t working anywhere close to capacity.
For adults 18+ in the UK the fully vaccinated rate is about 70% for England, Scotland and NI whilst Wales is at 80% as of 2 days ago. I think the figures you're looking at are comparing 18+ in Europe against the whole population of the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833
I believe this FT chart compares vaccination levels against the full populations of different countries.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vacci...cumulative=1&doses=total&populationAdjusted=1
The UK is about hitting the levels of vaccination now where we're bumping into the vaccine sceptics and the young so the rates have slowed. Many young people feel that they don't need it and the sceptics are sceptics. As @Dan_F mentioned we're also sticking with the longer spacing so full vaccinations take longer. A study in the UK found that the 8 week spacing is the sweet spot of combining urgency with better and longer lasting protection for what is expected to be a virus that will be a part of life for years to come.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57929953
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Currencies move around a lot and its hard to read too much into it.
The main story for sterling is that it is now seen as a risk-on currency, as opposed to the safe-haven currency it used to be. The global economy has been recovering strongly over the past year and risk-appetite has increased, which tends to boost the relative value of the pound. I think it's fair to say coming out of Brexit with an EU trade deal and Brexit not (yet) being as economically damaging as feared has been a further tailwind for sterling.
Not to derail the brexit thread, but I am sceptical about this
Why? As far as I'm aware this is how vaccines have worked historically with better efficacy from longer spaced doses. I suppose what you're implying is that there's a cover up because of a lack of vaccines. The opposite has been reported in the press with some vaccines in danger of expiring because of a lack of take up among the young, coupled with the longer spacing doses.Not to derail the brexit thread, but I am sceptical about this
https://www.theguardian.com/society...oronavirus-vaccines-as-take-up-slows-in-young
But yes, we are derailing the thread a bit.
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53% is the whole population of France fully vaccinated. There are vaccine sceptics in France too.
Why are the UK taking longer when at first Johnson wanted to jab anything that moved. Low on vaccines seems a likely reason. It''s not a recent trend , the UK have slowed up considerably for a while.
At current rates most of the EU countries will have overtaken the UK very soon.
But then again it's nothing to do with Brexit. Just that Johnson and the Brexiters using the vaccine as a Brexit win, more complete b-ll-x and will soon be shown for the lie it always was
No but Brexiters have used the vaccine rollout as (the only) supposed Brexit benefit so far, when it was not to do with Brexit. Maybe Johnson will then shut up about it, probably not though. You can't unbrainwash the brainwashed.
Majority here in the UK wouldn't attribute the vaccine rollout to anything political, only down to science and the NHS.
Is there anything else we can shoe horn into a Brexit discussion to keep the relevance of the discussion?
The vaccine discussion started because of a tweet of a UK TV programme talking about the EU vaccine programme.
By the way despite living in France we do have access to UK media. You can pull the other one, it's got bells on.
Just that this seems to be the only study recommending a longer gap, and it was done in the UK, which is the only country sticking to the longer gap. The manufacturers are all still saying 3/4 weeks is best.
Kinda ties into Brexit, because I don’t trust anything that this government says
The government partly attributed the success of the rollout to Brexit, so yes, I think it can be shoehorned into the discussion.
What the shower of shit in government say, and what people think are two very different things. Most folk I would speak to, wouldn't attribute the vaccine success to Brexit at all. However if all people read is the Daily Mail online, then I would forgive the fascination of it being used in a discussion. However to most normal folk, it's not interlinked.
Lucky I don't read the Mail online or the Express then. What do you mean by "success", you refer to the NHS and science. The NHS can only vaccinate people if they have the vaccines as applies to all health services in all countries. Science applies to all countries as well.
Remember you're not allowed to use anecdotal references.
You could argue with yourself in an empty room Paul. Success ie. the scientists working and coming up with a vaccine, and the NHS distributing the vaccine. Out of the shambolic response from every area during the pandemic, I find it difficult to field any criticism from those two areas.
Back to @Buster15 point about a pissing contest, I don't believe I've said anything around nationalism around vaccines and wouldn't attribute a sole UK success on science, the point was no one here other than Boris and a few of his pals attribute the government as the influence and determining factor to a successful vaccine programme in the UK. However by your notion above, and probably between gritted teeth, you would have to apply your same logic to the UK on any other countries roll out successes, right?
Who said anything about criticising the NHS or the scientists, the discussion started by the EU vaccination programme being criticised on a UK TV programme. People take notice of what the UK government says not what Joe Bloggs in Rochdale thinks. It was only a pissing contest until the UK started to fall behind. That's my point.
The NHS or the French or German or Italian or Spanish health services can only vaccinate people when they had the vaccines.
As soon as the EU countries realised they couldn't rely on AZ they concentrated on Pfizer, Moderna and JJ and since then they've had the vaccines they have rolled them out very well in all countries.
Cumulative is a bit of a weird one to use, no? It doesn't take the Janssen jab into example which the UK haven't administered many of compared to many EU countries. We've overtaken you here in Ireland both for overall doses and full vaccinations. Pretty sure quite a few other EU countries have gone ahead, too.
Back to the visa issue: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/05/uk-backed-plan-charge-non-eu-travellers-enter-europe
UK backed plan to charge non-EU travellers to enter Europe
Exclusive: David Cameron’s government said to have been one of ‘biggest supporters’ of idea in 2016
UK backed plan to charge non-EU travellers to enter Europe
Exclusive: David Cameron’s government said to have been one of ‘biggest supporters’ of idea in 2016
I read that the British car industry won't collapse after all, as the Nissan factory in Sunderland is expanding to produce electric cars, as is the Stellantis factory near Liverpool to produce electric vans. The former is supposed to have been made possible through the promise of £100M of government money.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-plans-for-1bn-electric-car-hub-in-sunderland
That's a lot of public money, but proponents of Brexit will say that it leads to a net benefit and that this sort of subvention would not have been possible without Brexit.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-plans-for-1bn-electric-car-hub-in-sunderland
That's a lot of public money, but proponents of Brexit will say that it leads to a net benefit and that this sort of subvention would not have been possible without Brexit.
Post-Brexit we are free to bribe companies threatening to leave cos Brexit to stay.
Ultimately, of course, it's very selfish and only strengthens the exploitative stranglehold that large international corporations have on the world and individual societies.
Poland should not stay in EU at ‘any price’, minister says
As mad as Brexit was, it would be 10 times more mental for Poland to leave the EU.
Next country to leave: https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/next-country-to-leave-eu
Anyone like the look of those odds?
As mad as Brexit was, it would be 10 times more mental for Poland to leave the EU.
Next country to leave: https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/next-country-to-leave-eu
Anyone like the look of those odds?
We were reading yesterday of Brits in Italy who didn't get around to changing their UK driving licences for British ones last year, and are now waiting to see if Italy will agree to Brits being able to use said licences indefinitely, as other countries have done. As it stands they can use their UK one until the end of this year and after that they basically don't have a licence.
The only option if an agreement isn't reached is to sit a two-part Italian driving test, which is a long and costly process. You have to have six lessons even if you've been driving for decades, you're required to actually know how the car works and it's only offered in Italian, of course. If you fail twice (either part) you have to start the whole process over again. The vast majority of Brits out here wouldn't be able to pass it, unless they were absolutely fluent in the language.
This whole situation is incomprehensible to me. We had loads of warning about this and so we swapped our licences for Italian ones two years ago - it cost €100 and a brief GP medical, and a little bit of the usual bureaucracy which accompanies everything here. Why would any British person who intends to stay here not do the same? Why wait and then be faced with the possibility of being unable to drive?
The only option if an agreement isn't reached is to sit a two-part Italian driving test, which is a long and costly process. You have to have six lessons even if you've been driving for decades, you're required to actually know how the car works and it's only offered in Italian, of course. If you fail twice (either part) you have to start the whole process over again. The vast majority of Brits out here wouldn't be able to pass it, unless they were absolutely fluent in the language.
This whole situation is incomprehensible to me. We had loads of warning about this and so we swapped our licences for Italian ones two years ago - it cost €100 and a brief GP medical, and a little bit of the usual bureaucracy which accompanies everything here. Why would any British person who intends to stay here not do the same? Why wait and then be faced with the possibility of being unable to drive?
Makes no sense. I changed mine to a French licence within a year or so of moving here.
I do know of several Brits around here who have UK registered cars which are insured in the UK and have UK MOT's . The police had turned a blind eye whilst the UK was in the EU but if they get stopped now they could be in trouble. These are people who have lived here for many years and drive the car back to the UK every time to get a new MOT and we're 750km from Calais. Insane.
Yes, I used to have a UK-registered car here and got someone to take it back for an MOT. It's pointless, really. The law here now is that if a car is in Italy for more than 90 days it has to be re-registered as an Italian vehicle, so that's kind of stopped people keeping their British cars. There are also a lot of random traffic stops here for document-checking, and that would get you in big trouble if you were a resident.
The re-registration process is also lengthy and costly, if you have a powerful or expensive vehicle. You have to get V5s and the like officially translated into Italian, too. It's simpler to write off your British car and buy an Italian one.
Personally I do not have any pity for these people they have known long enough about Brexit and could have and should have done something about it. The same regarding Residency Permit when I left the British Army here in Germany weeks after leaving I had registered here and the same with my driving licence I changed that a little later but have had a German driving licence for a very long time now. After weighing up the pro´s and cons and costs regarding dual nationality I decided just to get a permanent residence permit which I received last week but had started the paperwork in 2019 after being asked to by the local foreigner's office.
Exactly - we've known for literally years that Brexit was happening and there's been loads of info online to help people navigate the different systems in their particular countries of residence.
I'm afraid there are some Brits living in European countries who thought that things wouldn't actually change at all, despite all evidence to the contrary. We have a friend who's a permanent resident here, he speaks fluent Italian, he has a business. He hadn't applied for the new biometric European card for British people, the one which protects our pre-Brexit rights.
I sent him the information - it isn't a difficult process, particularly for someone with good language skills. He looked at it and then told me he wasn't going to bother because he didn't think he should have to apply for another residency permit! He also voted for Brexit, as it happens. It's incomprehensible.
Glad you got your residence permit sorted.
The odd thing is that these people hate Brexiters so much they would probably tear them limb from limb if they got hold of one but still think that the laws don't really apply to them.
Was quite easy with the residence permit all over in 20 minutes regarding dual nationality a work mate only had to pay the price for German nationality then his passport and ID when I was at the foreigner's office the person I saw said I had to do all the tests including language which after 30 years living in Germany I found to be a little to much and after reckoning the costs which were around 80 - 150€ for language then what I call the idiot test also had to be paid for and all in all I would have been looking at between 600 - 700€ with the residence permit all I paid was 37€.
That’s just arrogance
Things that were not on the side of the bus #483
Expect mass riotingThings that were not on the side of the bus #483
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/24/uk-brexit-safety-ukca-mark-eu-ce
UK in Brexit climbdown as safety rule deadline extended
Manufacturers will have an extra year to start using UKCA mark, which is replacing EU’s CE mark
Another disaster put off for a year at least.
UK in Brexit climbdown as safety rule deadline extended
Manufacturers will have an extra year to start using UKCA mark, which is replacing EU’s CE mark
Another disaster put off for a year at least.
That should be a joke but it's very much a possibility.
As a little exercise I have added up all the trade deals claimed by Liz Truss , even though some are not yet signed off including Australia.
The total of all the exports based on 2019 figures with these 68 countries' trade deals have been "negotiated" or copied are equivalent to just the UK's exports to Germany, Ireland and Belgium, just three of the EU countries; Of course these trade deals are more in favour of the other countries with a trade defecit of $54bn / year based on 2019 figures.
Go Global Britain!
The total of all the exports based on 2019 figures with these 68 countries' trade deals have been "negotiated" or copied are equivalent to just the UK's exports to Germany, Ireland and Belgium, just three of the EU countries; Of course these trade deals are more in favour of the other countries with a trade defecit of $54bn / year based on 2019 figures.
Go Global Britain!
The delivery driver shortage, a big percentage of which is a direct result of Brexit is starting to have an effect on the supermarket shelves. Lots of empty sections.
And the government insisting that it is a problem for the industry to solve itself just showes how our the touch and in denial thay are.
Nobody told the public about that risk. And too few people in the UK are remotely interested in doing that job. Too much like hard work...
Sorry to be stupid but how can you run out of milkshakes when they are made in store? Presumably the milk and ice cream are local to U.K. so it’s what the flavoured powder?Things that were not on the side of the bus #483
It's the cotton wool and reclaimed gym mats I believe.
Even if all the ingredients and packaging came from the UK, they haven't got enough drivers to distribute them to all the outlets.