Wait until he shows up v Utd for a 1-0 masterclass.Exactly my thoughts.
Also agree with Pep, Arsenal should stick with Arteta he’s a great manager.
Wait until he shows up v Utd for a 1-0 masterclass.Exactly my thoughts.
Also agree with Pep, Arsenal should stick with Arteta he’s a great manager.
Something a little more honest, saying his team was superior and focusing more on his team rather than making excuses for his pupil.What's he going to do in that situation? It wasn't exactly unprompted, he was asked a direct question. A little dramatic in his response but if he's a friend what else can he say and retain his friendship - Arteta doesn't know his arse from his elbow made terrible signings?
They've had a lot of contenders in the last 15 years- 8-2 United, 5-1 Liverpool, 5-1 Spurs, at least three 5-1s to Bayern, 6-0 Chelsea, 4-0 United, 4-0 Southampton. Also I'm sure they've had at least 2 other 4 or 5-0 losses to Liverpool in the last decade. Dishonourable mentions for a 6-3 defeat to City, a 6-1 loss to United from 20 years ago, and a second half collapse to draw from 4-0 up against Newcastle.Tweet
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I expected him to focus on his team rather than making excuses for Arteta. When asked about him then saying that he worked with him and is a great man etc the bit about immediate results I think was over the top.You're still not answering the question. What do you expect him to say? You should be watching football long enough to know that managers don't berate each other in the media. Yes, they may have a bit of back and forth in terms of what happened during a game but for another manager to explicitly criticize another in this context is unheard of.
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Ole is on a completely different level to them 2 pretenders.It's the manner of the losses that should seal his fate. It was just so easy, and they had no fight in them. This comes from him, and he's been there for a while and had some cash to spend.
Top clubs going through a rebuild should go for top experienced managers, and while I do hope it works for Ole, I think the overall recent experience with Lampard and Arteta isn't encouraging.
Its amazing how United fans can even lump Ole in with those two!! We were 2nd last season; the first time since Fergie retired we have been in the CL in consecutive years and a squad that is starting to look logical rather than some Frankenstein collection of players -- best transfer window in a couple of decades. Clear and obvious progressionOle is on a completely different level to them 2 pretenders.
Ole is experienced, Arteta had zero experience, and Lampard had one season. So no, the situation is not the same.It's the manner of the losses that should seal his fate. It was just so easy, and they had no fight in them. This comes from him, and he's been there for a while and had some cash to spend.
Top clubs going through a rebuild should go for top experienced managers, and while I do hope it works for Ole, I think the overall recent experience with Lampard and Arteta isn't encouraging.
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We were in the champions league in 17/18 (knocked out by Sevilla) and 18/19 (knocked out by Barca)Its amazing how United fans can even lump Ole in with those two!! We were 2nd last season; the first time since Fergie retired we have been in the CL in consecutive years and a squad that is starting to look logical rather than some Frankenstein collection of players -- best transfer window in a couple of decades. Clear and obvious progression
And yet...
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His resume pre-United was not. It's 100% hindsight to claim otherwise.Ole is on a completely different level to them 2 pretenders.
I'm really not sure what you expect any manager to do with THIS squad. Even massive overachieving will not have them in the top 4 spot, the quality at the top is too great. And a new manager will want financial backing.Its the manner of the losses not the losses themselves that make sacking him imperative, I enjoy seeing them in the mud like this but I think, for them, it's got to the point where they have to stop the bleeding and get some positivity back. This particular international break offers such an opportunity otherwise he will flatter to deceive with a couple of wins then go on another season demaging run soon after. Its about stopping the spiral of negativity and getting the club back on a positive setting before January.
We finished second less than a year before Ole took over. It was a good squad and miles better than the one arsenal have today. Regardless Arteta is clearly not cut out for the job.Tbh atm Arsenal still has a better squad than what Ole had when he took charge. At least a similar one. We had to make do with Pereira, Lingard, Fellani, Young, Bailly ... Shaw was half the player he is now. With a dressing room full of egos and problems.
Arteta should simply stop trying to play Pep football without the players capable of. He has a lot of fast players, some fast counter attack and a more direct approach would help a lot imo.
Manage it competently. He's been there long enough and spent enough money to have made a real impact there. Quality managers do that. Arteta clearly isn't one. A new manager will require funds but may also be competent which would be a change for Arsenal.I'm really not sure what you expect any manager to do with THIS squad. Even massive overachieving will not have them in the top 4 spot, the quality at the top is too great. And a new manager will want financial backing.
We managed to finish second largely thanked to DDG. Looking at the squad back then and you'd see. The current Arsenal squad is not as bad as some may think, Arteta is simply clueless.We finished second less than a year before Ole took over. It was a good squad and miles better than the one arsenal have today. Regardless Arteta is clearly not cut out for the job.
I think coming into this season he had done a passable job.Manage it competently. He's been there long enough and spent enough money to have made a real impact there. Quality managers do that. Arteta clearly isn't one. A new manager will require funds but may also be competent which would be a change for Arsenal.
Hes been poor overall, with the FA Cup papering over the cracks. Last season especially, not fooled by the late rally when nothing was on the line. The previous season he lost the last games against relagation fodder to get into Europe and lost to Olympiakos in the Europa League.I think coming into this season he had done a passable job.
It's easy to let the first 3 games skew perspective but I've always been of the opinion that his position will be made clear 10 games into the season... Not against 2 teams that are title contenders.
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A trophy doesn't paper over any cracks, it's a trophy. Unless trophies don't matter anymore.Hes been poor overall, with the FA Cup papering over the cracks. Last season especially, not fooled by the late rally when nothing was on the line. The previous season he lost the last games against relagation fodder to get into Europe and lost to Olympiakos in the Europa League.
Also he has made alot of poor signings
He is doing a worse job than Emery
"But for the best resources in every league I've coached in, there go I"Just bizarre. Sir Alex has a history of struggling to differentiate between good assistants and good managers, but I really don’t get it…what has Arteta done to deserve so much trust after so much contrary evidence?!
What makes this worse is that these are not even the penny pinching days of positive net spend like it was under Wenger. Arteta has spent around 200 million since he arrived and they still look utterly helpless.His shitty signings like Odegaard and White should be enough to get him the sack. But this start to the season should absolutely be the final nail in his coffin.
If you really think that in your head and not just in your heart then good luck to you mate!I think coming into this season he had done a passable job.
It's easy to let the first 3 games skew perspective but I've always been of the opinion that his position will be made clear 10 games into the season... Not against 2 teams that are title contenders.
Good luck to you too?If you really think that in your head and not just in your heart then good luck to you mate!
got to protect 6 easy points a seasonTrying somehow to defend Arteta FFS, ridiculous from Pep.
The very least I expect from a manager like Arteta is displaying a little coaching nous. Yesterday was a good example of 2 teams going down to 10 men and handling the rest of the game differently. Yeah for sure Chelsea had a much better result to fight for than Arsenal but the way they tried to press high with a player sent off was asking to be dispatched easily which City. At 2-0, if you have a little dignity about yourselves, you don't set yourself up to concede more goals.I'm really not sure what you expect any manager to do with THIS squad. Even massive overachieving will not have them in the top 4 spot, the quality at the top is too great. And a new manager will want financial backing.
How is finishing 8th for two consecutive seasons a passable job? Yes trophies are important but not at the cost of league position. I definitely wouldn't have been happy had we finished 8th but won a FA cup or league cup.I think coming into this season he had done a passable job.
It's easy to let the first 3 games skew perspective but I've always been of the opinion that his position will be made clear 10 games into the season... Not against 2 teams that are title contenders.
Before Chelsea ,Lampard guided Derby to 6th in the Championship after finishing 6th the season before.His resume pre-United was not. It's 100% hindsight to claim otherwise.
That’s not true. Mourinho also had us in CL for consecutive years.We were 2nd last season; the first time since Fergie retired we have been in the CL in consecutive years
Emery had the same team. Arteta took over during the season. If the team is worse now thats on Edu and ArtetaA trophy doesn't paper over any cracks, it's a trophy. Unless trophies don't matter anymore.
Recruitment is down to Edu as well I believe. But Arteta has his signings so he needs to perform and soon.
Emery had a better team. Should he have been fired? No. Same applies to Wenger. This is what you get when you fire managers for not performing miracles instead of addressing deeper issues. Can't wait to be here in 12 months defending Big Sam
Ole's resume has been denigrated by many on here. I'm not going to dig up posts here because my point isn't to compare resumes, but to say that looking at resumes is a pointless exercise. Mourinho had a better resume than Ole and failed. All that matters is how you do on the job. Pointing at the resume post-failure isn't indicative of anything.Before Chelsea ,Lampard guided Derby to 6th in the Championship after finishing 6th the season before.
Before Arsenal, Arteta was an assistant manager.
Before Man United, Ole won back to back league titlee with Molde, the first league titles they ever won in their 96 year history. He also won the Norwegian cup, only the 3rd time they had won it ever.
It might only have been the Norwegian league but the credentials of Ole were still far superior to the other two.
He didn't but even if he did, the competition was less strong than it is now.Emery had the same team. Arteta took over during the season. If the team is worse now thats on Edu and Arteta