Ole is on a completely different level to them 2 pretenders.
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Ole is on a completely different level to them 2 pretenders.
Its amazing how United fans can even lump Ole in with those two!! We were 2nd last season; the first time since Fergie retired we have been in the CL in consecutive years and a squad that is starting to look logical rather than some Frankenstein collection of players -- best transfer window in a couple of decades. Clear and obvious progression
And yet...
Ole is experienced, Arteta had zero experience, and Lampard had one season. So no, the situation is not the same.
I think their performance in the 8-2 game was far better than yesterday's.
For periods they competed with us that match and created chances throughout that game. We were just far more clinical. Similar to our 6-1 loss to City.
Yesterday's game was diobolical. They didn't compete, barely touched the ball and didn't seem bothered.
We were in the champions league in 17/18 (knocked out by Sevilla) and 18/19 (knocked out by Barca)
it's like he is not even joking.His resume pre-United was not. It's 100% hindsight to claim otherwise.
There is no pre-qualification for a managerial job (apart from a UEFA pro license). You don't have to go down to league 1 and work your way up. But you have to satisfy expectations in the role. That's all that's needed. Ole has done so, so far. Lampard didn't. Arteta...
Arsenal fans need to hope Wolves lose 7-0 today and then alphabetical order will ensure they’re not bottom going into the international break. Or Burnley to lose 7-0.
I'm really not sure what you expect any manager to do with THIS squad. Even massive overachieving will not have them in the top 4 spot, the quality at the top is too great. And a new manager will want financial backing.
We finished second less than a year before Ole took over. It was a good squad and miles better than the one arsenal have today. Regardless Arteta is clearly not cut out for the job.
Manage it competently. He's been there long enough and spent enough money to have made a real impact there. Quality managers do that. Arteta clearly isn't one. A new manager will require funds but may also be competent which would be a change for Arsenal.
We managed to finish second largely thanked to DDG. Looking at the squad back then and you'd see. The current Arsenal squad is not as bad as some may think, Arteta is simply clueless.
I think coming into this season he had done a passable job.
It's easy to let the first 3 games skew perspective but I've always been of the opinion that his position will be made clear 10 games into the season... Not against 2 teams that are title contenders.
Hes been poor overall, with the FA Cup papering over the cracks. Last season especially, not fooled by the late rally when nothing was on the line. The previous season he lost the last games against relagation fodder to get into Europe and lost to Olympiakos in the Europa League.
Also he has made alot of poor signings
He is doing a worse job than Emery
That’s absolutely shocking. They came to get humiliated and that's exactly what they got.
A trophy doesn't paper over any cracks, it's a trophy. Unless trophies don't matter anymore.
Recruitment is down to Edu as well I believe. But Arteta has his signings so he needs to perform and soon.
Emery had a better team. Should he have been fired? No. Same applies to Wenger. This is what you get when you fire managers for not performing miracles instead of addressing deeper issues. Can't wait to be here in 12 months defending Big Sam
"But for the best resources in every league I've coached in, there go I"
What makes this worse is that these are not even the penny pinching days of positive net spend like it was under Wenger. Arteta has spent around 200 million since he arrived and they still look utterly helpless.
Even if they sack him its going to take years to get back into the top 4 because that squad reeks of midtable
If you really think that in your head and not just in your heart then good luck to you mate!
Good luck to you too?
Arteta has finished 8th in two consecutive seasons. If that is 'passable' then what is a failing grade? 12th?
Id say that’s city just in don’t humiliate my friends team tactic from pep. That’s grim though. 0 desire.
Happy to admit I was totally wrong about this one. Early on thought that he showed some nous and potential to be good for them, but that's long since gone. Guy is a pretender and way out of his depth. Even with that being said Arsenal have a whole plethora of other issues, causing their current misery.
got to protect 6 easy points a season
The very least I expect from a manager like Arteta is displaying a little coaching nous. Yesterday was a good example of 2 teams going down to 10 men and handling the rest of the game differently. Yeah for sure Chelsea had a much better result to fight for than Arsenal but the way they tried to press high with a player sent off was asking to be dispatched easily which City. At 2-0, if you have a little dignity about yourselves, you don't set yourself up to concede more goals.
It's like once the floodgates, Arsenal have no care whether the game ends up being 6 -0 or 2-0.
He's not a good manager. However you have to look at the selection of players. I dont think any of their players get into the top 4 team's. I mean maybe Aubameyang possibly into city because they dont even have a striker? But seriously, they have shocking players. They are down where they are not only due to a manager that isn't good enough, but players that are truly a mid table collection of players
How is finishing 8th for two consecutive seasons a passable job? Yes trophies are important but not at the cost of league position. I definitely wouldn't have been happy had we finished 8th but won a FA cup or league cup.
Also, people keep on acting as if Arsenal have a crap squad. A better manager would do a much better job with this squad. They are not 8th level bad.
Before Chelsea ,Lampard guided Derby to 6th in the Championship after finishing 6th the season before.
Before Arsenal, Arteta was an assistant manager.
Before Man United, Ole won back to back league titlee with Molde, the first league titles they ever won in their 96 year history. He also won the Norwegian cup, only the 3rd time they had won it ever.
It might only have been the Norwegian league but the credentials of Ole were still far superior to the other two.
That’s not true. Mourinho also had us in CL for consecutive years.
But yeah it’s night and day, Ole has spent more and inherited better but not for this kind of gap, it’s a fecking chasm. Ole always looks to be improving and the signings he’s overseen for the most part take United a step in the right direction, it’s the complete opposite with the Everton legend.
Emery had the same team. Arteta took over during the season. If the team is worse now thats on Edu and Arteta
Ole's resume has been denigrated by many on here. I'm not going to dig up posts here because my point isn't to compare resumes, but to say that looking at resumes is a pointless exercise. Mourinho had a better resume than Ole and failed. All that matters is how you do on the job. Pointing at the resume post-failure isn't indicative of anything.
He didn't but even if he did, the competition was less strong than it is now.
When is Big Sam being signed?
He didnt take over from Emery mid season? Right ok
Not really. This has never happened in a team sport. I didn't rate that United that highly but it was miles better than this rubbish arsenal team. Both our superiority and Arteta's incompetence are true.
8th place for Arsenal is not a passable job. It's a completely and utter trainwreck. One cup win and being Peps assistance has for some reason clouded peopl s judgements over a poor managerial stint.
I mean, I understand they can no longer attract the absolute elite level players. Nevertheless, I still feel they have bought really poorly in recent years, considering how much they've spent. They went and bought Odegaard who really doesn't add anything imo. I honestly think giving Willock a chance would have been worth a shot. I also don't think White will come good, given his massive defensive deficiencies.
I agree that the squad is midtable. I've seen some suggest that with a new manager and some decent signings, they would be a good side again. I couldn't disagree more tbh. I feel they're absolutely miles off being a semi-good side again. People go on about Saka and Tierney being some sort of worldies - the truth is that they're good players, and nothing more.
DDG simply hacked his PSxG that season and earned us many points. Check his stats that season and you'd see.
If you remember well many said our squad is a mid table one by the time Jose was sacked and it's partly true imo. We're actually not that bad but our form made us looked like one. It's the same with the current Arsenal squad, they're not actually that bad but their current form made them look like one.
After Ole took charge we had Rashford, Lingard, Martial as our starting front three. We had a terrible defense which relied on DDG to save their ass on a regular basis. When he couldn't we usually lost. Lukaku was massively overweight and basically shit. While Arteta has Aubameyang, Lacazete, Pepe. The only area we were stronger is the midfield where we had Pogba, Herrera and Matic.
Imo the Arsenal squad if used in the right way would be much better. They have a lot of fast players some fast counter attack and a more direct approach would help a lot instead of the current fake Pep football which doesn't suit them at all.
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Saka, Tierney and Smith-Rowe are the only players i'd even consider wanting at United, and thats mostly because they are young and can still improve a lot. It seems the days of Arsenal making shrewd signings and developing young players into world class talent are long past.
Forgot about Smith-Rowe! All three are good, but I honestly don't see any of them becoming absolute top tier players. I would take Saka and Tierney as squad options, that's about it. I wouldn't even take Smith-Rowe as a squaddie. I remember the days when Arsenal had a genuinely world class side!
They're absolutely shocking and reached that point when only someone like Conte (and a lot of money) can save them. Otherwise they're stucked somewhere between 7th and 12th position depending on injuries and who their manager is for next few years.