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Of course it does. For the whole game he quite clearly wasn't moving as well as he normally would if he was fully fit, and so his movements were either not natural or non-existent.The mistakes he made at some of the goals cannot be blamed on fitness imo. Look at the video posted how he acted at the last goal. Or the giveaway at the first goal. Has nothing to do with fitness. It’s simply very bad form atm. Our defence was poor also when he played with Varane, just that they mainly played middle to lower table teams.
Not only that, but I think it's fairly evident at this point that Ole expects his players to make themselves fit even when they're not... And that expectation may well have played on Maguires mind.Eh, no. He’s made himself available when Varane is out despite not being 100% fit. That shows a ridiculous amount of commitment. The blame lies squarely with Solskjaer for picking a player that had only started training on grass 24 hours before the game.
I’m sad to inform that he doesn’t move much better when fully fit. He’s being doing these things the whole season, not just after the injury. He has lost the ball like at the first goal, losing his man, switching off, being dribbled, etc it’s just that previous teams have not been good enough to fully take advantage of it.Of course it does. For the whole game he quite clearly wasn't moving as well as he normally would if he was fully fit, and so his movements were either not natural or non-existent.
Literally all 4 goals came about due to him not moving - if he was moving freely he may well naturally take a those two steps towards the ball for the first goal, or just move at all four the 4th.
On top of that, when you're not fit and you know you're not fit you're mentally not all there either. as not only are you trying to concentrate on the game, you're also concentrating on preserving yourself /not getting injured, which will lead to you not playing your natural game.
And point A is directly related to point B.Ive said it for the past 4 games to my friends in real life, lindelof and varane should be the main two. Maguire is only there because of a) his cost and b) where he happened to be born.
That angle is..... Shocking.Found a working one
I completely agree Ole should not have played Maguire, but Maguire himself should have told the manager he was not physically or mentally fit. He was in no way sharp seeing the danger or reacting to the danger.The mistakes he made at some of the goals cannot be blamed on fitness imo. Look at the video posted how he acted at the last goal. Or the giveaway at the first goal. Has nothing to do with fitness. It’s simply very bad form atm. Our defence was poor also when he played with Varane, just that they mainly played middle to lower table teams.
No player will say that. A manager has to make the decision depending on what his medical staff say and what his own assessment of an individual player's conditon/mentality is.I completely agree Ole should not have played Maguire, but Maguire himself should have told the manager he was not physically or mentally fit. He was in no way sharp seeing the danger or reacting to the danger.
Everyone would have understood Maguire not being in the squad, but both Ole and Maguire were too stubborn to acknowledge that in his condition he was a liability.
You can criticise Maguire for a fair few things, but when it comes to defending set-pieces he's usually one of the few in our team that is proactive in trying to actually do something.I’m sad to inform that he doesn’t move much better when fully fit. He’s being doing these things the whole season, not just after the injury. He has lost the ball like at the first goal, losing his man, switching off, being dribbled, etc it’s just that previous teams have not been good enough to fully take advantage of it.
I don’t see how the defending at the fourth goal, (see quoted post below) came from immobility after injury. It’s simply poor defending.
He wasn't sharp, but don't see how that had anything to do with fitness. His performance as a whole would probably been better if he been more fit, but many of the mistakes and decisions were not becasue of being unfit.I completely agree Ole should not have played Maguire, but Maguire himself should have told the manager he was not physically or mentally fit. He was in no way sharp seeing the danger or reacting to the danger.
Everyone would have understood Maguire not being in the squad, but both Ole and Maguire were too stubborn to acknowledge that in his condition he was a liability.
I agree that he is often our best player when it comes to defend at setpieces. But I still don't think his action at that setpiece goal had anything to do with not being fully fit. As I wrote above, I believe his performance as a whole would've been better if fully fit, but that is not the main problem with him right now. He's been performing well below his normal standard for several matches now. He has given away the ball or made other mistakes, but the opposition haven't had the quality to fully explore that until now. I think he has taken a step back when it comes to passing as well. His long balls out to Shaw are still accurate, but he has slowed down on his passing and rarely make one touch passes. The speed of passing was an improvement immediately seen when Varane and Lindelof paired.You can criticise Maguire for a fair few things, but when it comes to defending set-pieces he's usually one of the few in our team that is proactive in trying to actually do something.
Fact is, it's not normal for Maguire - or any player in fact - to be directly at fault for all 4 goals conceded... so to think thats not in large part due to him not being fit is a bit off.
What did fitness have to do with the first goal?I'm not having the Maguire is shite claim here. He was unfit and got exposed. Harry is a very good CB, definitely nowhere near the class of Vidic or Rio but well into the top tier of CBs in the PL.
If there is any lingering doubt about Harry's fitness going into tomorrow's match Ole must bench him and give us some kind of chance against Liverpool this weekend. Bailly scares the crap out of me but he's next in line, if he's fit. And if not Bailly, then Jones.
Everything.What did fitness have to do with the first goal?
He stood and waited, waited, waited, waited for the ball to roll to him. If he takes one step towards the ball, it doesn't happen.
That's shit defending and brainlessness, not poor fitness.
You're telling me that he was so unfit that he was unable to take one step towards the ball?Everything.
Did you not notice how he just stood there like a statue?
He has been shite all season though, does that mean he hasnt been fit this whole season? His earlier mistakes just didnt get punished. Leicester did punish his mistake.I'm not having the Maguire is shite claim here. He was unfit and got exposed. Harry is a very good CB, definitely nowhere near the class of Vidic or Rio but well into the top tier of CBs in the PL.
If there is any lingering doubt about Harry's fitness going into tomorrow's match Ole must bench him and give us some kind of chance against Liverpool this weekend. Bailly scares the crap out of me but he's next in line, if he's fit. And if not Bailly, then Jones.
Rooney was shite for long stretches (quite often, actually), before hitting form again. But it didn't therefore follow that Rooney was shite as a footballer.He has been shite all season though, does that mean he hasnt been fit this whole season? His earlier mistakes just didnt get punished. Leicester did punish his mistake.
