acnumber9
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Is there an argument that scrapping the need for isolation if they aren’t actually sick would lead to better outcomes?By far the biggest problem now is staff off sick.
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Is there an argument that scrapping the need for isolation if they aren’t actually sick would lead to better outcomes?By far the biggest problem now is staff off sick.
But then who judges that? If a person isn’t sick but is shedding the virus couldn’t a more vulnerable person catch it from them?Is there an argument that scrapping the need for isolation if they aren’t actually sick would lead to better outcomes?
Not scrapping but shortening it right down, definitely. It would be also be good to make it less “one size fits all”. It just doesn’t make any sense to keep vaccinated and boosted doctors/nurses stuck at home for 10-14 days when they’ve had a mild head cold that lasted 48 hours (or no symptoms at all)Is there an argument that scrapping the need for isolation if they aren’t actually sick would lead to better outcomes?
I’m sure they could. It would obviously lead to more infections but I’m just wondering if the staff shortages cause worse outcomes than the increase in cases.But then who judges that? If a person isn’t sick but is shedding the virus couldn’t a more vulnerable person catch it from them?
That’s a problem that’s been around for decades, with illnesses like influenza or various vomiting bugs. One of the (very few) upsides of this pandemic is that it’s made most people a hell of a lot more considerate on this issue than they ever were before. The issue now is how much longer we keep making these lengthy isolation periods for covid mandatory. Especially when there’s loads of indirect harm caused by hospitals unable to run their usual services due to staff shortages.But then who judges that? If a person isn’t sick but is shedding the virus couldn’t a more vulnerable person catch it from them?
I suppose it will take a brave person to make that call.Not scrapping but shortening it right down, definitely. It would be also be good to make it less “one size fits all”. It just doesn’t make any sense to keep vaccinated and boosted doctors/nurses stuck at home for 10-14 days when they’ve had a mild head cold that lasted 48 hours (or no symptoms at all)
Many countries are already doing this, or at least reducing the isolation time down significantly.Is there an argument that scrapping the need for isolation if they aren’t actually sick would lead to better outcomes?
And unvaccinated staff?Not scrapping but shortening it right down, definitely. It would be also be good to make it less “one size fits all”. It just doesn’t make any sense to keep vaccinated and boosted doctors/nurses stuck at home for 10-14 days when they’ve had a mild head cold that lasted 48 hours (or no symptoms at all)
I wonder how much of this is due to people isolating after getting symptoms and how much is actual virus shedding ability. It’d be interesting to see a similar graph once isolation isn’t required any longer.Many countries are already doing this, or at least reducing the isolation time down significantly.
They won't exist in the UK within a couple of months and I imagine the same will be the case across most of Europe too.And unvaccinated staff?
I think you’re most infections within the first few days apparently from the onset of symptoms.Any medical/CV educated posters...
Felt ill, did a home test, positive. Just done walk through PCR and should get result soon (though being a Friday afternoon may not help). Isolating
If I'm feeling rough and assuming +ve is accurate, where am I in the process in terms of passing it on? Is that before symptoms, during or after?
Cheers.I think you’re most infections within the first few days apparently from the onset of symptoms.
We'll need to be patient with these people once they leave school. Horrible conditions to grow up in, and I think it's the same in the majority of the world.Bleak
It’s grim but if they were forced to study remotely you could write a similar rant about on the dystopian cruelty of forcing kids to be separated from their peers and spend all day staring into a laptop on endless video conferences. I’m willing to bet that the vast majority of students (and their parents) would prefer the situation described here to shutting that school down again.Bleak
Yeah, 100%. It makes no sense that the onset of symptoms makes you less infective. The exact opposite is much more likely.I wonder how much of this is due to people isolating after getting symptoms and how much is actual virus shedding ability. It’d be interesting to see a similar graph once isolation isn’t required any longer.
It's not about the coffee. Regardless of the beans, it's always served too hot. The cup is an accessory, best paired with a dry robe.Which is incredible given how terrible coffee is in Ireland and the UK. Nearly as bad as in the US.
He explicitly talks about not liking remote learning, but finding it preferable to the current chaos. There's a teacher in the replies expanding on his point.It’s grim but if they were forced to study remotely you could write a similar rant about on the dystopian cruelty of forcing kids to be separated from their peers and spend all day staring into a laptop on endless video conferences. I’m willing to bet that the vast majority of students (and their parents) would prefer the situation described here to shutting that school down again.
There’s such a crazy culture war going on right now about covid and the exaggerated sense of threat felt by a minority (like the kid who wrote that blog, his peers staying home and, presumably, their parents) is as unhelpful as the “just a flu” crew in early 2020.
I had it recently (I’m double-jabbed but not had the booster) and it was incredibly mild - just a dry feeling in the throat.So I had the mildest of throat irritation today morning, and wouldn't have even bothered testing if not for my 5 month old. Turns out I am positive. 10 hours since the onset I feel nothing but that prickly feeling in throat. Wonder if it's really this mild (I had the original variant in September 2020 which did result in 3 days of fever and a persistent cough) or is it because of the vaccines (AZ 2nd dose June 2021).
Everyone’s experience of remote learning is different. His may have been a lot less negative than many others (even though it was obviously negative) All that closing the schools would achieve is deferring the “chaos” anyway. Omicron is going nowhere (until the next variant arrives) and is benign to the point of irrelevance in this age group.He explicitly talks about not liking remote learning, but finding it preferable to the current chaos. There's a teacher in the replies expanding on his point.
I don't doubt that it's true that parents don't like remote, but it may not be true for students in these circumstances, and very probably isn't true of teachers.
To be fair that's true of many infections and illnesses as your heart works a little harder. I often get them when I'm a bit under the weather.Been feeling a bit rough the past few days so took a lateral flow test that came back positive, I’ve been and taken a pcr test today and I’m awaiting results (I’m double jabbed)
Weird that a few days ago I was getting heart palpitations it feels like I get an extra beat every so often then the flu like symptoms hit. Strange I hadn’t read about the heart palpitations but doing some research it’s a common effect.
We don't learn. People forget that in the US, businesses started the lockdown, because this is exactly what happened. Maybe this variant is mild enough that everyone should just get it and keep going, but the point is the same. *If* you're going to require people who test positive to isolate, then you need to go remote as much as possible, because you're going to run out of people as everyone gets ill at the same time.Bleak
We haven't been back to UK/Ireland for about 5 years and then it was better than before but still very poor quality in comparison to Italy and Australia. The US is worse and even finding a not filter coffee is a challenge. A good one even harder.Coffee has gotten really good in Ireland lately. The scene has exploded. Still nothing on Australia though, from what I hear from people who lived there. Especially Melbourne.
I have to say, I never knew Australia had a good reputation for its coffee but I was pleasantly surprised when I had a cup at a random cafe in Sydney.We haven't been back to UK/Ireland for about 5 years and then it was better than before but still very poor quality in comparison to Italy and Australia. The US is worse and even finding a not filter coffee is a challenge. A good one even harder.
Both Melbourne and Sydney had large scale migration from Italy so now the average small Cafe has a proper machine and tend to make a drinkable cup. The better cafes are world class. Coffee is a bit of a national obsession now.I have to say, I never knew Australia had a good reputation for its coffee but I was pleasantly surprised when I had a cup at a random cafe in Sydney.
Agree with you that coffee in the US is horrible.
I like how the anti-vaxx crowd have taken this one anaesthetist’s opinion as gospel and are sharing it far and wide because he’s a doctor and therefore a medical expert. But are choosing to wilfully ignore the doctors and immunology experts who are in fairly unanimous agreement that vaccines work and are essential in our battle against the virus.
I'm all jabbed and boosted myself. So certainly not an anti vaxxer.I like how the anti-vaxx crowd have taken this one anaesthetist’s opinion as gospel and are sharing it far and wide because he’s a doctor and therefore a medical expert. But are choosing to wilfully ignore the doctors and immunology experts who are in fairly unanimous agreement that vaccines work and are essential in our battle against the virus.
This is awful though, I saw this straight away in doctor forums,facebook groups and medtwitter. All in disbelief how the anti-vaxx movement would have a field day with this, but this is a fringe opinion from a doctor that has a private clinic in the woo-woo junk science that is "functional medicine"I like how the anti-vaxx crowd have taken this one anaesthetist’s opinion as gospel and are sharing it far and wide because he’s a doctor and therefore a medical expert. But are choosing to wilfully ignore the doctors and immunology experts who are in fairly unanimous agreement that vaccines work and are essential in our battle against the virus.
"breathlessness clinic"This is awful though, I saw this straight away in doctor forums,facebook groups and medtwitter. All in disbelief how the anti-vaxx movement would have a field day with this, but this is a fringe opinion from a doctor that has a private clinic in the woo-woo junk science that is "functional medicine"
http://www.thebreathlessnessclinic.com/about-me/
He charges £250 for a thirty minute consult. I think he's earnt himself a Karol Sikora's esque spot on either talkradio or GB news that will see his private practice boom