The weird thing is most people I know have generally been far safer and less adventurous than they normally would be. And pretty much anyone I talk to. It makes me wonder how little people in other countries interact. Bloody hermits.
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Yeah, same. I don’t know a single person who hasn’t cut down their socialising a hell of a lot. Mind you, I also don’t know anyone who has stuck rigorously to Tony’s request to stop household mixing altogether. In fact, I would say every one of my friends attended (or hosted) at least one biggish (i.e. three households or more) gathering over the holidays, not including the family get together on Xmas day. Many of them more than one.
Maybe people in other countries are more likely to be rigorous about following government advice? We’ve always been a nation that sees rules more as general guidelines that should be worked around whenever possible.
There was a vid floating around here stating just because the vaccines have been developed in record time doesn't mean any corners have been cut and its actually very rigorously tested. Does anyone have the link for that?
Well here in West Sligo and also in Leitrim we have a small but vocal cohort of wellness hippies that are anti vax. There is also a type of male redneck who see the masks and the like as excessive nanny statism and personal hygiene as some sort of gayness.
On the whole people who aren't morons are really good, and we live our lives in our homes mostly anyway. There is a bit of wandering but in very small pre-existing bubbles. Social distancing here just isn't a problem.
On the coffee cups, I think that just points to our consumer vulgarity, there are similar stats for mobile phones, new cars, cabriolets, and microwave ovens; and our gluttony, see us in a pub versus Italians in a pub. We're classless boors
Well on our way to being the most obese country in Europe soon, tooWell here in West Sligo and also in Leitrim we have a small but vocal cohort of wellness hippies that are anti vax. There is also a type of male redneck who see the masks and the like as excessive nanny statism and personal hygiene as some sort of gayness.
On the whole people who aren't morons are really good, and we live our lives in our homes mostly anyway. There is a bit of wandering but in very small pre-existing bubbles. Social distancing here just isn't a problem.
On the coffee cups, I think that just points to our consumer vulgarity, there are similar stats for mobile phones, new cars, cabriolets, and microwave ovens; and our gluttony, see us in a pub versus Italians in a pub. We're classless boors
One rural v urban difference might be the fact that I have two pubs locally operating at varying degrees outside the rules at most points except during full lockdown, and people just turn a blind eye, which has its advantages and disadvantages and in a wider context is necessary as there is no anonymity round here.
Yeah, grim. I'm holding back a rant here so I don't derail the thread.Well on our way to being the most obese country in Europe soon, too
The thread is currently about why Ireland is covid capital of the world, so a rant about our gluttonous consumerism would probably be quite on topic. Good for the soul too.
It’s something I’ve noticed as well. At its absolute worst during the Celtic tiger. I migrated back home at the peak and was fecking horrified at what’s become of us. Felt like the recession might have taken the edge off but evidently not for long.
Why are we like this though? Because we can? Genetic memories of the famine, so we lose our fecking minds in times of plenty?
I find the dichotomy between what is popular in terms of covid decision making in online circles vs real life experiences.
By that I mean anti-vax content is massive on social media platforms. When I hear people say they are being censored it makes me laugh because these people never shut up. Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and the worst is Youtube - all places where anti-vax sentiment and conspiracies thrive.
But the numbers prove those people are just a very small but extremely loud minority. The vast majority of people are vaccinated. Similarly I've never experienced these anti-maskers causing abuse and trouble. But online that kind of stuff seems to be very prevalent.
By that I mean anti-vax content is massive on social media platforms. When I hear people say they are being censored it makes me laugh because these people never shut up. Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and the worst is Youtube - all places where anti-vax sentiment and conspiracies thrive.
But the numbers prove those people are just a very small but extremely loud minority. The vast majority of people are vaccinated. Similarly I've never experienced these anti-maskers causing abuse and trouble. But online that kind of stuff seems to be very prevalent.
Yeah, in ways it's to do with our 'inorganic' past. It's akin to our fundamentalism towards owning a home. The lack of culinary past, even lots our oft heralded culture is to a degree a 19th century Anglo Irish construct.
We did jump two-footed into American style 'convenience in the 70's when the French, Spanish, Italians, etc turned their noses us. The British did to a degree so language probably compounded our dysfunctional upbringing as a nation.
But any inclinations we did have were certainly turned to full-blown disorder during the Celtic Tiger, no doubt.
100% agree, and would be happy to let them have their cathartic rants online if they were willing to just suck-it up and get vaxxed/wear masks where needed. But what's so frustrating with this, and all societal-fringe-think groups, is that their doubts and suspicions just act to back one-another up, until a potentially understandable - if incorrect - concern has become a full-on anti-governmental 5G man-on-the-moon conspiracy vomit. And it genuinely convinces people, because there are a lot of people who would sooner believe people who look, sound and think like them than trust those who don't.
The anti-vax movement is ridiculous but I think it's equally as ridiculous to have these massive sporting events with thousands of people during the current surge of cases.
I think it's Christmas to be honest. The cases rocketted just after Christmas last year too, though obviously not to the same amount.
There's a bit of fatigue creeping in definitely and some people are getting lax. I know of two households who all got it when it should have been easily preventable. One was my exes Da who had a visitor in. This fella quite clearly had symptoms at the time. The Da got it first and a few days later they had all it. Another was my antivax cousin was sick and told his parents he'd had a test and got the all clear, so wasn't isolating. The parents got sick and tested positive and then your man goes for 'another test' to be on the safe side and lo and behold he was positive as well. Luckily nobody got seriously ill.
So how long after getting pinged as a close contact on the app should I continue doing LFT’s for? Happened on Monday at the football.
Are close-contact pings still a thing? Had no idea that was still going. No idea how I managed to get through December in London without a notification!
So many examples of straight up idiocy like that in my social circles too. Educated people as well. It’s weird.
Apparently so. I forgot I had the app installed to be honest, but I’m negative at the moment so will just continue to do tests daily I guess.
@Pogue Mahone it's not the schools! bite nom nom nom
https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0106/1272079-schools/
https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0106/1272079-schools/
Not referencing the anti-vax case posted, but I'm not sure if it is all that weird really. If you've followed all the advice so far and been triple vaxxed, it's completely understandable how individuals would prioritise actually enjoying the holidays with the people they love, especially when the virus now poses very little individual threat for the vast majority. Given everything the pandemic has disrupted, it's no surprise people are at the end of their tether - especially those who have been jabbed/already had it.
Yes, there will be people who remain vulnerable (either by their own decisions re jabs or because of pre-existing conditions), but isn't that just always going to be the case now?
Where there should be reason for caution currently is due to the pressures being put on hospitals/key services by the current wave, but this is also due to the amount of time people need to have off with the covid/close contact as a minimum? My brother-in-law and his wife just had a baby, and the maternity staff were unsurprisingly running low on available staff, but the main takeaway they had was why X, Y and Z were having to stay home when they were feeling absolutely fine/testing negative.
Myself, friends and family who all work in the public sector/organizations that are feeling the strain because of Covid and are classified as "key workers" are still going out and enjoying life/seeing people in our spare time, because honestly it's just too miserable to have to chug through without these interactions. Yes numbers are high, but there is no way this is the same situation we were in 12 months ago.
That said, I would be very hesitant to spend time indoors with unvaccinated people/those showing symptoms, and anytime we've had people round, we've done LFTs beforehand. So maybe these cases are incomparable.
Well I for one am shocked. Shocked.
bloody blind man could have told them, but there they are closing the bars etc and the biggest factor outside the family home is the place where the kids pick every virus up going around.
I’ve taken my 2 back today. At home we mix with very few. At school, between the 2 of them 50 people and by definition their families and contacts too
but yeah let’s plough on minister foley because there’s no evidence to suggest that schools are an issue
you've done it now, Pogue will be after you.Well I for one am shocked. Shocked.
bloody blind man could have told them, but there they are closing the bars etc and the biggest factor outside the family home is the place where the kids pick every virus up going around.
I’ve taken my 2 back today. At home we mix with very few. At school, between the 2 of them 50 people and by definition their families and contacts too
but yeah let’s plough on minister foley because there’s no evidence to suggest that schools are an issue
I think he knows my thoughts on it.it’s disgusting that this wasn’t taken into account by the minister. Conveniently it’s just released today eh
I’ll never not bite!
Those figures have outbreaks at home way out in front, then schools and places of work coming in without about half as many. Which basically covers all the places people spend time together indoors and outbreaks can accurately be tracked.
We’re just not going to pick up outbreaks that started in other indoor environments because of the delay between exposure and diagnosis. If you catch covid when out and about (in pubs or the homes of friends) you’re inevitably going to test positive on a day while at work (adult) or at school (kid) and that’s when the contact tracing starts.
The outbreak won’t be tracked back to the pint you had three days before that, or the coffee shop last week. And we all know the chances of your contacts at those places ever being identified are zero. Do you know anyone contacted by public health to notify them about being a close contact of a case after an evening out socialising? As you well know the “customer tracking” going on in the hospitality industry is a farce. I was asked for my contact details at one pub once over the whole Christmas period!
In schools and workplaces its so much easier to identify, test and trace contacts so those environments are going to consistently throw up much more “outbreaks” that are alleged to have started in those settings, even though they were probably seeded somewhere else entirely.
Schools have been closed for two weeks and we have 200,000 cases now.
I'm also not surprised that schools account for more cases than work places seeing as everyone's been working from home.
There doesn't seem to me that there is a huge amount of conclusions that can be drawn from that article.
I'm also not surprised that schools account for more cases than work places seeing as everyone's been working from home.
There doesn't seem to me that there is a huge amount of conclusions that can be drawn from that article.
That's simply not true, I was in the pub over Christmas and the barman specifically checked if we were having an outbreak of absolute craic. And we were.
Honestly whenever I go on RTE and see something negative about schools I just decide to tag you on it because we've come too far to stop now and I'm bored.
That’s it lads just bundle your virus attractors up and drop them off in those cesspits of illness
That's what I was referring to - the pregnant woman was mentioned in my article. She probably wouldn't have died without the strict lockdown.
Sorry - thought you was going the other way. Agreed on your point here.
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There should really be some HSE portal where you can register positive antigen tests without needing to do a PCR as it’s impossible to get one, for one that you are in the system as a positive case and won’t have to isolate in the future.
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He’s not wrong but what he says isn’t much more notable than Katie Price. Not sure elevating the views of a celeb because they get their norks out, host a chat show, appear on reality TV or analyse a flat back four has done wonders for the level of discourse.
What I particularly like about the story is that from what we've been told by NHS hospital managers, the overload is hitting areas outside London hardest at the moment. London having more beds, more flexibility to move staff and more agency workers are supposed to be coping better.
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Which is incredible given how terrible coffee is in Ireland and the UK. Nearly as bad as in the US.
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Hearing exactly the same from friends working in hospital in Ireland. Used to regularly see patients come in on 2L 02 who would suddenly fall of a cliff and need 90% via arvo and this seems to have stopped completely.
By far the biggest problem now is staff off sick. That and the logistical headaches around isolating covid inpatients.
Coffee has gotten really good in Ireland lately. The scene has exploded. Still nothing on Australia though, from what I hear from people who lived there. Especially Melbourne.