SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Tarrou]

so I tested positive about 15 days ago

symptoms were pretty rough at its worst but I finally tested negative about 6 days ago

however I still have a cough and just feel knackered all the time - last two days Ive spent mostly in bed

Is this normal?

I do have an autoimmune disease which I take medication for which could explain a longer than normal recovery period

 

[Jericholyte2]

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But yeah, absolutely no metrics to show the NHS is being overwhelmed by Covid! Keep on with bullshit Plan B and sleepwalk through another wave...

 

[Tibs]

Q:

You're triple jabbed, and you had Omicron 1 month ago, and recovered. Coud you could still catch it again 2 weeks later?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

so I tested positive about 15 days ago

symptoms were pretty rough at its worst but I finally tested negative about 6 days ago

however I still have a cough and just feel knackered all the time - last two days Ive spent mostly in bed

Is this normal?

I do have an autoimmune disease which I take medication for which could explain a longer than normal recovery period

Completely normal. Even much less nasty viral illnesses can leave you wiped for a few weeks afterwards. 15 days after testing positive is nothing really. You’ll need to keep up the R&R for a while longer.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Q:

You're triple jabbed, and you had Omicron 1 month ago, and recovered. Coud you could still catch it again 2 weeks later?

Theoretically, not impossible. The odds against it would be extremely high though.

 

[Tibs]

Thanks!

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Completely normal. Even much less nasty viral illnesses can leave you wiped for a few weeks afterwards. 15 days after testing positive is nothing really. You’ll need to keep up the R&R for a while longer.

I had mononucleosis twice. After the second time that fecker laid me out for at least 6 months, if not more.

I also used to have an out of control dust allergy that would make any cold turn into at least 8 weeks of congestion in my head then chest. Fun times.

 

[Tarrou]

Completely normal. Even much less nasty viral illnesses can leave you wiped for a few weeks afterwards. 15 days after testing positive is nothing really. You’ll need to keep up the R&R for a while longer.

cheers @Pogue Mahone

 

[golden_blunder]

I had mononucleosis twice. After the second time that fecker laid me out for at least 6 months, if not more.

I also used to have an out of control dust allergy that would make any cold turn into at least 8 weeks of congestion in my head then chest. Fun times.

My wife has a similar dust allergy. She also seems to get a problem swallowing which is scary for her triggered we think by allergies. She’s had a the camera up her nose, down her throat etc and found nothing but we think it’s caused by an allergy so curious how you fixed yours

 

[WR]

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What’s all this about then? Not that I agree or even know anything about Robert Malone but I keep seeing it pop up on Twitter

 

[Ady87]

Girlfriend has positive PCR, I’ve had a positive LTF. Only had second jab 21st Dec. She had symptoms and now I do. Hope this is mild.

 

[NotThatSoph]

My wife has a similar dust allergy. She also seems to get a problem swallowing which is scary for her triggered we think by allergies. She’s had a the camera up her nose, down her throat etc and found nothing but we think it’s caused by an allergy so curious how you fixed yours

I have a dust allergy (and probably some other stuff that isn't captured on the standard tests because it's somewhat seasonal which is weird for dust) that used to leave me with red and itchy eyes and cold-like symptoms pretty much constantly. Sometimes heavy swelling etc.

I use a nasal spray containing fluticasone propionate, looks like British brands are Flixonase, Avamys and Nasofan. For me it's been a miracle cure, I have no symptoms at all anymore as long as I use it regularly. I get mine perscribed by my doctor, looks like you can buy it over the counter as well. Might be worth looking into if you haven't tried it already.

https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/fluticasone-nasal-spray-and-drops/

 

[edcunited1878]

Why aren't these everywhere?

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UCSD is the region's largest and best medical research university, thus assuming it is free to students and staff knowing their results are proprietary for UCSD medical researchers only.

Using one and returning it to sanctioned university test collection labs/areas.

 

[Tarrou]

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What’s all this about then? Not that I agree or even know anything about Robert Malone but I keep seeing it pop up on Twitter

its likely just bollocks, it got aired on Spotify to his millions of viewers and its still there now

 

[Wibble]

My wife has a similar dust allergy. She also seems to get a problem swallowing which is scary for her triggered we think by allergies. She’s had a the camera up her nose, down her throat etc and found nothing but we think it’s caused by an allergy so curious how you fixed yours

Get her to an allergy specialist and they can test for all sorts of allergies. When I went for my paper wasp incident a large proportion of people were being treated for household mold allergies.

 

[Lj82]

Why aren't these everywhere?

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We have vending machines for ART kits here, for people who were received alerts for potential exposure.
Quite useful.
Also have vending machines that dispense masks given out by the government

 

[christy87]

So my brother tested positive on an antigen last Friday and PCR on Saturday, I feel like shit but haven't had any positive antigen tests yet, me feeling like shit could be half down to my partial insomnia for the last few weeks.
Also if I have had it should I get a booster anyway.

For the Irish Langer's here what do I have to do to get paid for the week by social welfare when in isolating

 

[Volumiza]

When I went for my paper wasp incident

Sorry to derail but what was this?

 

[stw2022]

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But yeah, absolutely no metrics to show the NHS is being overwhelmed by Covid! Keep on with bullshit Plan B and sleepwalk through another wave...

It’s also bullshit to pretend this isn’t where the NHS is every winter with chronic under investment. Ironically what’s causing the issues isn’t the fact we don’t have restrictions, it’s because of the restrictions we do have and isolation periods that’s impacting staff numbers.

If we went into full lock down with mandatory 14 day contact isolation that came with it then things would be far worse

 

[Jericholyte2]

It’s also bullshit to pretend this isn’t where the NHS is every winter with chronic under investment. Ironically what’s causing the issues isn’t the fact we don’t have restrictions, it’s because of the restrictions we do have and isolation periods that’s impacting staff numbers.

If we went into full lock down with mandatory 14 day contact isolation that came with it then things would be far worse

That makes absolutely zero sense!

The ‘restrictions’ we have in place haven’t stopped cases and hospitalisations from rising, and have allowed the virus to spread to more and more staff. Of course case numbers are as high or as sever as last Jan but if you have 30-40% staff absence then these increases will cripple the workers who are in.

This is nowhere near the ‘norm’ for winter pressures, hospitals are talking about 12/20/30 plus hour waits at A&E and 10hr waits for ambulances even with emergency cases! This is crippling workers and our so-called leadership is blind to it because the 1922 club is pressuring him to “not stamp on our fweedum”.

Whilst ICU cases may not be spiking, Covid cases mean Covid wards which mean less space for ‘general’ wards. Hospital staff are being burnt out and care is being compromised (I think it’s now 16 NHS trusts that have declared critical crises) and peopleare dying because of this purely political decision that he has made.

A 6-8 week lockdown would reduce contacts, reducing cases and hospitalisations, allowing staff to clear and discharge patients, brining pressures down to more reasonable levels, but that would also mean starting furlough and compensating businesses again, which they just don’t want to do.

 

[jojojo]

A 6-8 week lockdown would reduce contacts, reducing cases and hospitalisations, allowing staff to clear and discharge patients, brining pressures down to more reasonable levels, but that would also mean starting furlough and compensating businesses again, which they just don’t want to do.

Given the doubling rate that you can get with Omicron, the odds are you get to the end of that 6-8 week lockdowns and are back where we are now, a fortnight later. So in March - still in the living indoors, too cold for open windows etc and still with a potential flu season to run alongside. We'd also be 6 months past the start of the booster campaign - potentially with the over 70s back in the waning immunity camp.

We can flatten the peak, but in terms of population immunity levels - right now is probably as good as it gets. At least in terms of reducing deaths and disabling disease.

Which does mean that the limiting factor is the impact on the workforce. With community rates so high, it's inevitable that large numbers of key staff will have covid, or will be looking after (and isolating with) someone at home with covid. That's got to have massive impact on the remaining staff - in terms of extra hours but also additional stress, and dislocation.

I don't think there's an easy way out on this. I honestly think the gamble is that we crash the NHS for a month versus we cripple it for several months. I'm not sure which one would be most destructive in terms of unnecessary deaths, disability and pain caused - neither option sounds good. Though I admit most people I know (including the old, the vulnerable and the ones waiting in pain for elective surgery) would say - let's go for the quick, nasty one rather than dragging it out for months.

For NHS staff - and others, including the carehome workers and the family caregivers who covid positive but "not that sick" patients need to go home to - it's going to be a long dark start to 2022.

I just don't see that a lockdown offers enough of an advantage right now, compared to what it already happening, to make it an obviously better option - even leaving aside the financial impact.

 

[Wibble]

Sorry to derail but what was this?

I'm anaphalactic to paper wasps or rather I was.

I have always had a slightly bad swelling reaction to wasps in general. However a few years ago I was driving a 4x4 along the beach on Fraser Island QLD when wasp the size of a sparrow came through the air vent and stung me on the arm. It looked looked like I had half a golf ball under the skin for a few days but I didn't think anything of it.

A few weeks later I was moving the lawn on a hot day and after putting g the mower back in the garage I also put a ladder back in that I'd left out earlier.

I must have bumped a paper wasp nest as I put the ladder back (they love garge entrances and the eves of houses). I got stung about 20 times on the shoulder and they are far worse than European wasps. I squished most of them while swearing vigorously. I then went inside to get bug spray tobfinish them off. I sprayed the nest and legged it to avoid getting stung again and after a few steps felt a bit light headed. I sat down on the steps and then got back up azfew mins later when I felt fine. I then felt far from fine and as I went unconscious I managed to roll down the lemon my side.

The next thing I remember was fighting to stand up despite the best efforts of the paramedics.

My wife and son were out at the shops so I lay on the lawn for an unknown length of time in extreme heat and direct sunlight. My son's mate from across the road saw me, came over and prodded me with his foot and then ran over to tell his folks. Initially his folks didn't believe him as he had a rep for tall tales but eventually they came out and rang an ambulance.

As the ambulance arrived my wife and son arrived home and my wife though I'd had a heart attack as a work colleagues so husband had dropped dead at 50 axfew days earlier.

After the paramedics got me in to the ambulance they gave me plasma and I recovered fast. I got checked out at the hospital and was discharged soon after but not before my wife posted a picture of me asleep in emergency on Facebook :-)

The hospital told me it was dehydration combined with getting stung on the virus nerve so I had a good night's sleep and carried on

A couple of weeks later my wife was telling the story to a neighbour who she met on the commuter train in to Sydney. The neighbour was a nurse at a hospital allergy centre and immediately thought I had experienced an anaphalactic event and I should get tested.

Long story short, I was seriously anaphalactic to the point the next time might have been fatal and had 6 months of immunotherapy treatment and now carry an epipen.

 

[djembatheking]

Is it likely that boosters will be required 6 monthly and if so will vaccine passes only be valid if you keep getting boosted ?

 

[Dante]

Is it likely that boosters will be required 6 monthly and if so will vaccine passes only be valid if you keep getting boosted ?

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/04/...-booster-vaccines-feasibility-intl/index.html

"We can't vaccinate the planet every four to six months. It's not sustainable or affordable," Professor Andrew Pollard, the director of the Oxford Vaccine Group and head of the UK's Committee on Vaccination and Immunization, told The Daily Telegraph in an interview published Tuesday. Pollard also stressed the "need to target the vulnerable" going forward, rather than administering doses to everyone age 12 and older. More data is needed to ascertain "whether, when and how often those who are vulnerable will need additional doses," he said.

"One of the things that we're going to be following very carefully is what the durability of the protection is following the third dose of an mRNA vaccine," Fauci said. Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech are mRNA vaccines. "If the protection is much more durable than the two-dose, non-boosted group, then we may go a significant period of time without requiring a fourth dose," Fauci said. "So, I do think it's premature -- at least on the part of the United States -- to be talking about a fourth dose."

The message from the experts is that it's too early to tell.

But if I had to guess, I would think not.

 

[djembatheking]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/04/...-booster-vaccines-feasibility-intl/index.html




The message from the experts is that it's too early to tell.

But if I had to guess, I would think not.

Thanks, I don’t think people will keep getting boosted anyway.

 

[Volumiza]

I'm anaphalactic to paper wasps or rather I was.

I have always had a slightly bad swelling reaction to wasps in general. However a few years ago I was driving a 4x4 along the beach on Fraser Island QLD when wasp the size of a sparrow came through the air vent and stung me on the arm. It looked looked like I had half a golf ball under the skin for a few days but I didn't think anything of it.

A few weeks later I was moving the lawn on a hot day and after putting g the mower back in the garage I also put a ladder back in that I'd left out earlier.

I must have bumped a paper wasp nest as I put the ladder back (they love garge entrances and the eves of houses). I got stung about 20 times on the shoulder and they are far worse than European wasps. I squished most of them while swearing vigorously. I then went inside to get bug spray tobfinish them off. I sprayed the nest and legged it to avoid getting stung again and after a few steps felt a bit light headed. I sat down on the steps and then got back up azfew mins later when I felt fine. I then felt far from fine and as I went unconscious I managed to roll down the lemon my side.

The next thing I remember was fighting to stand up despite the best efforts of the paramedics.

My wife and son were out at the shops so I lay on the lawn for an unknown length of time in extreme heat and direct sunlight. My son's mate from across the road saw me, came over and prodded me with his foot and then ran over to tell his folks. Initially his folks didn't believe him as he had a rep for tall tales but eventually they came out and rang an ambulance.

As the ambulance arrived my wife and son arrived home and my wife though I'd had a heart attack as a work colleagues so husband had dropped dead at 50 axfew days earlier.

After the paramedics got me in to the ambulance they gave me plasma and I recovered fast. I got checked out at the hospital and was discharged soon after but not before my wife posted a picture of me asleep in emergency on Facebook :-)

The hospital told me it was dehydration combined with getting stung on the virus nerve so I had a good night's sleep and carried on

A couple of weeks later my wife was telling the story to a neighbour who she met on the commuter train in to Sydney. The neighbour was a nurse at a hospital allergy centre and immediately thought I had experienced an anaphalactic event and I should get tested.

Long story short, I was seriously anaphalactic to the point the next time might have been fatal and had 6 months of immunotherapy treatment and now carry an epipen.

Sh*t. What a terrifying experience dude. Completely cements my phobia of wasps.

Crab and prawns give me an anaphylactic reaction too so I know how scary and sudden it is.

 

[VP89]

I'm anaphalactic to paper wasps or rather I was.

I have always had a slightly bad swelling reaction to wasps in general. However a few years ago I was driving a 4x4 along the beach on Fraser Island QLD when wasp the size of a sparrow came through the air vent and stung me on the arm. It looked looked like I had half a golf ball under the skin for a few days but I didn't think anything of it.

A few weeks later I was moving the lawn on a hot day and after putting g the mower back in the garage I also put a ladder back in that I'd left out earlier.

I must have bumped a paper wasp nest as I put the ladder back (they love garge entrances and the eves of houses). I got stung about 20 times on the shoulder and they are far worse than European wasps. I squished most of them while swearing vigorously. I then went inside to get bug spray tobfinish them off. I sprayed the nest and legged it to avoid getting stung again and after a few steps felt a bit light headed. I sat down on the steps and then got back up azfew mins later when I felt fine. I then felt far from fine and as I went unconscious I managed to roll down the lemon my side.

The next thing I remember was fighting to stand up despite the best efforts of the paramedics.

My wife and son were out at the shops so I lay on the lawn for an unknown length of time in extreme heat and direct sunlight. My son's mate from across the road saw me, came over and prodded me with his foot and then ran over to tell his folks. Initially his folks didn't believe him as he had a rep for tall tales but eventually they came out and rang an ambulance.

As the ambulance arrived my wife and son arrived home and my wife though I'd had a heart attack as a work colleagues so husband had dropped dead at 50 axfew days earlier.

After the paramedics got me in to the ambulance they gave me plasma and I recovered fast. I got checked out at the hospital and was discharged soon after but not before my wife posted a picture of me asleep in emergency on Facebook :-)

The hospital told me it was dehydration combined with getting stung on the virus nerve so I had a good night's sleep and carried on

A couple of weeks later my wife was telling the story to a neighbour who she met on the commuter train in to Sydney. The neighbour was a nurse at a hospital allergy centre and immediately thought I had experienced an anaphalactic event and I should get tested.

Long story short, I was seriously anaphalactic to the point the next time might have been fatal and had 6 months of immunotherapy treatment and now carry an epipen.

That sounds horrifying. Sorry to hear about this - at the very least you can take some sort of measure now in case such an event re-occurs with the epipen. Also demonstrates the importance of A&E services that a lot of us take for granted.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/04/...-booster-vaccines-feasibility-intl/index.html

The message from the experts is that it's too early to tell.

But if I had to guess, I would think not.

Prof Andrew Pollard, wow, nice to see a expert with an actual sense of reality, concentrating on vaccinating risk groups (as with do with influenza) every 6 months should have always been the main goal.
It’s taken two years but we may finally be getting to the place where we accept the inevitability and understand the costs involved that will massively affect our future if we continue along current paths.
The UK for example has already borrowed 300 billion quid during the pandemic, it simply cannot continue to spend 15 billion or so (likely to rise significantly now the pharma companies want more) every 6 months to vaccinate 90% of the population. Spend some of that money on paying doctors and nurses more and bolstering their facilities instead.

 

[golden_blunder]

I'm anaphalactic to paper wasps or rather I was.

I have always had a slightly bad swelling reaction to wasps in general. However a few years ago I was driving a 4x4 along the beach on Fraser Island QLD when wasp the size of a sparrow came through the air vent and stung me on the arm. It looked looked like I had half a golf ball under the skin for a few days but I didn't think anything of it.

A few weeks later I was moving the lawn on a hot day and after putting g the mower back in the garage I also put a ladder back in that I'd left out earlier.

I must have bumped a paper wasp nest as I put the ladder back (they love garge entrances and the eves of houses). I got stung about 20 times on the shoulder and they are far worse than European wasps. I squished most of them while swearing vigorously. I then went inside to get bug spray tobfinish them off. I sprayed the nest and legged it to avoid getting stung again and after a few steps felt a bit light headed. I sat down on the steps and then got back up azfew mins later when I felt fine. I then felt far from fine and as I went unconscious I managed to roll down the lemon my side.

The next thing I remember was fighting to stand up despite the best efforts of the paramedics.

My wife and son were out at the shops so I lay on the lawn for an unknown length of time in extreme heat and direct sunlight. My son's mate from across the road saw me, came over and prodded me with his foot and then ran over to tell his folks. Initially his folks didn't believe him as he had a rep for tall tales but eventually they came out and rang an ambulance.

As the ambulance arrived my wife and son arrived home and my wife though I'd had a heart attack as a work colleagues so husband had dropped dead at 50 axfew days earlier.

After the paramedics got me in to the ambulance they gave me plasma and I recovered fast. I got checked out at the hospital and was discharged soon after but not before my wife posted a picture of me asleep in emergency on Facebook :-)

The hospital told me it was dehydration combined with getting stung on the virus nerve so I had a good night's sleep and carried on

A couple of weeks later my wife was telling the story to a neighbour who she met on the commuter train in to Sydney. The neighbour was a nurse at a hospital allergy centre and immediately thought I had experienced an anaphalactic event and I should get tested.

Long story short, I was seriously anaphalactic to the point the next time might have been fatal and had 6 months of immunotherapy treatment and now carry an epipen.

Wow! I always knew it, wasps are the true enemies of humans
Good job the neighbours little kid saw you!

 

[Wibble]

Sh*t. What a terrifying experience dude. Completely cements my phobia of wasps.

Crab and prawns give me an anaphylactic reaction too so I know how scary and sudden it is.

That sounds horrifying. Sorry to hear about this - at the very least you can take some sort of measure now in case such an event re-occurs with the epipen. Also demonstrates the importance of A&E services that a lot of us take for granted.

Wow! I always knew it, wasps are the true enemies of humans
Good job the neighbours little kid saw you!

Funnily enough I wasn't bothered much at the time or since.

I should be more concerned and a) stop trying to kill wasps with my bare hands(it drives my wife nuts) and b) carry my epipen more often.

The chances are that the immunotherapy treatment means I wouldn't have another anaphalactic event, although only doing the main 6 month regime and not doing the 4.5 year follow up - it was knocking me out for 2/3 days a week - may mean I'm still susceptible.

 

[Drifter]

New ‘IHU’ Covid Variant With 46 Mutations Discovered In France

 

[sun_tzu]

New ‘IHU’ Covid Variant With 46 Mutations Discovered In France

For the unversed, France has reported an all-new coronavirus variant named IHU, also known as B.1.640.2. The European country has reported 12 cases of the variant so far.

According to researchers, the first positive case of this variant was detected in an adult using an RT-PCR test performed in a laboratory on a nasal sample collected in mid-November last year.

As per the medRxiv paper on the same, this variant has 46 mutations and 37 deletions resulting in 30 amino acid substitutions and 12 deletions. The variant can reportedly be traced back to the Central African country Cameroon.

I thought we were using the greek aphabet .. where has IHU come from?

oh apparently the IHU made it up

The variant was identified in 12 people in the southern Alps around the same time that omicron was discovered in South Africa last year. The latter mutation has since traveled the globe and kindled record levels of contagion, unlike the French one that researchers at the IHU Mediterranee Infection — helmed by scientist Didier Raoult — nicknamed IHU.

 

[horsechoker]

Another variant, I'm bored of this now.

 

[Santos J]

New ‘IHU’ Covid Variant With 46 Mutations Discovered In France

I thought we were using the greek aphabet .. where has IHU come from?

oh apparently the IHU made it up

It's not a new variant. It popped up a month ago and hasn't really moved from the initial clusters. It didn't complete with Delta, it isn't competing with Omicron. Unless that changes, it's just one of many mutations that have been seen and that we'll keep seeing.

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[11101]

I thought we were using the greek aphabet .. where has IHU come from?

oh apparently the IHU made it up

That quote kind of says it all, it appeared nearly 3 months ago and has registered 12 cases in total. Nothing to worry about. For a new variant to displace Omicron it needs to be capable of the millions of cases a day Omicron is doing.

 

[Santos J]

No follow up PCR needed in the UK from next Tuesday if you are positive on a lateral flow but asymptomatic.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...k-as-testing-rules-set-to-be-relaxed-12509316

 

[calodo2003]

I'm anaphalactic to paper wasps or rather I was.

I have always had a slightly bad swelling reaction to wasps in general. However a few years ago I was driving a 4x4 along the beach on Fraser Island QLD when wasp the size of a sparrow came through the air vent and stung me on the arm. It looked looked like I had half a golf ball under the skin for a few days but I didn't think anything of it.

A few weeks later I was moving the lawn on a hot day and after putting g the mower back in the garage I also put a ladder back in that I'd left out earlier.

I must have bumped a paper wasp nest as I put the ladder back (they love garge entrances and the eves of houses). I got stung about 20 times on the shoulder and they are far worse than European wasps. I squished most of them while swearing vigorously. I then went inside to get bug spray tobfinish them off. I sprayed the nest and legged it to avoid getting stung again and after a few steps felt a bit light headed. I sat down on the steps and then got back up azfew mins later when I felt fine. I then felt far from fine and as I went unconscious I managed to roll down the lemon my side.

The next thing I remember was fighting to stand up despite the best efforts of the paramedics.

My wife and son were out at the shops so I lay on the lawn for an unknown length of time in extreme heat and direct sunlight. My son's mate from across the road saw me, came over and prodded me with his foot and then ran over to tell his folks. Initially his folks didn't believe him as he had a rep for tall tales but eventually they came out and rang an ambulance.

As the ambulance arrived my wife and son arrived home and my wife though I'd had a heart attack as a work colleagues so husband had dropped dead at 50 axfew days earlier.

After the paramedics got me in to the ambulance they gave me plasma and I recovered fast. I got checked out at the hospital and was discharged soon after but not before my wife posted a picture of me asleep in emergency on Facebook :-)

The hospital told me it was dehydration combined with getting stung on the virus nerve so I had a good night's sleep and carried on

A couple of weeks later my wife was telling the story to a neighbour who she met on the commuter train in to Sydney. The neighbour was a nurse at a hospital allergy centre and immediately thought I had experienced an anaphalactic event and I should get tested.

Long story short, I was seriously anaphalactic to the point the next time might have been fatal and had 6 months of immunotherapy treatment and now carry an epipen.

My mother had a paper wasp get stuck between her eyeball & her eyeglass lens while she was driving a car on the highway. Skin-crawling story.

 

[Godfather]

It’s also bullshit to pretend this isn’t where the NHS is every winter with chronic under investment. Ironically what’s causing the issues isn’t the fact we don’t have restrictions, it’s because of the restrictions we do have and isolation periods that’s impacting staff numbers.

If we went into full lock down with mandatory 14 day contact isolation that came with it then things would be far worse

Wow I don't think I can agree with a single word. The caller expressly said that she has a 13 year work experience but never ever experienced something like this.

Also your sentence about the full lockdown is simply wrong. It worked very well in Austria. Brought numbers down massively and a huge relieve to NHS.

 

[jojojo]

Also your sentence about the full lockdown is simply wrong. It worked very well in Austria. Brought numbers down massively and a huge relieve to NHS.

It pulled down Austria's delta surge. It looks like their Omicron wave is starting now and that's with another set of restrictions in place. We know we can slow it down with lockdowns, we know we can "flatten the curve" if the controls are strong enough, they have to be a lot stronger than before to slow down omicron though and everything we've seen says it will return as soon as the controls are released. Unless we're talking about a lockdown until the other side of an omicron modified vaccine booster perhaps.

We don't know how to live with covid yet. I don't think the NHS has the resources to live with it. I can suggest a whole bunch of mitigations that could have prepared us better, from clean ventilation in schools, hospitality and workplaces to proper sick pay for people who need to isolate. But I don't think lockdowns offer a way out - a way of stalling it perhaps, but not a painless or easy option - which does mean the timing comes down to crude calculations about "what's the worst caseload we can handle." Which will vary from country to country and lots of calculations around vaccine coverage and number of people who can't go into work.

 

[massi83]

Looks like London already peaked 11 days ago, per ONS. And admissions going down for last couple of days also.