If only everyone was as open-minded as you to being proved wrong!
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Have we really extended the pandemic? What do you base this on?
saying stuff like the vaccines didn’t do anything that matters kind of leads to being what you call ‚popular‘ (it isn’t that)
you make people angry by spouting that nonsense, that’s all. It’s annoying, frustrating and sickening.
Well, I never said the vaccines didn't do anything, so there is no need to be annoyed, frustrated or sick.
its pretty self explanatory social distancing, working from home all the measures taking have prolonged it but bought us time to try and solve it, obviously not all countries are in the same position to do this.
@ManchesterYoda back with a bang. Just a few weeks ago he was making parallels between a PCR he refuses to take and a lobotomy. To be fair to him, it must bring back painful memories.
Think he’s talking about that same time. At least he is consistent if nothing else. Oh by the way I had a spot on my ankle the other day. 63% sure it was Omicron!Weren’t you posting a few weeks ago about some other random illness that you convinced yourself was covid?! I don’t think your immune system is near as strong as you think it is. You sound like quite a sickly person.
Sorry, maybe Im thick but it doesnt seem self explanatory to me.
The ugly truth is that the social distancing, working from home measures were completely undone by people who didnt give a shit and there were a huge amount of those. "Absence of fear" as a driver of that apathy. We have spent so long not having to deal with this sort of thing there are literally generations who have not experienced the impact of this sort of thing.
It cant be, it only affects knees
you implied it…now stop being silly about it, you we’re talking shit and seem to understand that now, which is good
I will leave it at that
I'm not being silly. I was questioning the truth. That is how each individual gets a better understanding of it. It's good you will leave it at that. It's a relief, really.
@Shakesey
The other problem with your theory is you’re effectively ignoring the future impact of vaccination. Take flu for example - I have no idea of the actual figures but speaking intuitively, without annual flu jags I presume “x” more people would die. But for a significant majority of the population the jab doesn’t do anything because they catch flu, build some immunity to the variant and carry on. Next year even if it mutates they catch it and same cycle. However for a small portion, if they didn’t take the vaccine they might die from that infection that year. The critical thing though is that the deaths most likely would only occur in that segment.
Once this becomes endemic, you will have a cohort of people who will get repeat infections and maintain immunity from that. But there is a cohort which, if they didn’t have a vaccine and got reinfected, have a higher chance of passing away. So you’re right in some ways that we will live with Covid with the largest portion of people getting by with infection and immunity. But the ones who could die, will likely need vaccination to supplement their immunity each year. And so whilst a small portion of the people will rely on it, as these are the ones most likely to die, the vaccine is significantly more important than immunity in death prevention.
The other problem with your theory is you’re effectively ignoring the future impact of vaccination. Take flu for example - I have no idea of the actual figures but speaking intuitively, without annual flu jags I presume “x” more people would die. But for a significant majority of the population the jab doesn’t do anything because they catch flu, build some immunity to the variant and carry on. Next year even if it mutates they catch it and same cycle. However for a small portion, if they didn’t take the vaccine they might die from that infection that year. The critical thing though is that the deaths most likely would only occur in that segment.
Once this becomes endemic, you will have a cohort of people who will get repeat infections and maintain immunity from that. But there is a cohort which, if they didn’t have a vaccine and got reinfected, have a higher chance of passing away. So you’re right in some ways that we will live with Covid with the largest portion of people getting by with infection and immunity. But the ones who could die, will likely need vaccination to supplement their immunity each year. And so whilst a small portion of the people will rely on it, as these are the ones most likely to die, the vaccine is significantly more important than immunity in death prevention.
Well I’m fecked then cos I dislocated my knee cap like 9 years ago. Wait, covid was secretly around all that time????
Thanks for taking the time to respond. But please Rpitroda, don't call it "my theory". It isn't. I was just a little uncertain and needed to see the light again.
If ya write it, ya gotta own it
Fek! That'll teach me to read the small print!If ya write it, ya gotta own it
Tks.
I was interested because omicron started surging in Mumbai a few weeks ago. We are decently vaccinated but only with AZ and no boosters, but hospitalizations and cases rose and fell very quickly (faster than the UK/US as far as I can tell). Was wondering if it was a genetic difference underlying it, and UK is the one developed country with a big Indian population. But from that data, seems it's something else. Maybe weather.
That analysis is pre-omicron. So it is possible there’s a genetic difference. By far the most likely explanation is a much higher % with previous exposure to covid, combined with high proportion of most vulnerable sadly already dead (same as SA)
Tested positive this morning on a rapid self test, waiting for results on the pcr.
No symptoms at all as of now.
No symptoms at all as of now.
Not really because I think off the global death rate.. 5.5million dead.. that we know off.. with the help of vaccines. I dread to think what it would have been like with no vaccine help. It would have been even more rampant and even more deadly. God knows what kind of variants we’d be dealing with now. The Spanish flu didn’t have to deal with mass global travel
Good luck! However I believe false positives are rare so assume you have for now is the probably advice
Not a big surprise.
What are you on about? That’s what it’s called."Nocebo Effect"?
First time I hear that word. I thought it was a dreadful pun. Sorry.Tweet
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This is much better than I was expecting.
This feels really significant.
most restrictions is basically where we were before.
It’s not enough. All restrictions should be removed. We will never be in a better position than we are right now. Without an end to restrictions we risk a perennial lifecycle of them adding them yearly whenever our shite health service comes under pressure.
Everything should be lifted by lunchtime tomorrow if the Irish government had any quick decision capabilities.
Masks will naturally die in the next few weeks regardless of what the guidelines are anyway.
I'm delighted covid passes are being done away with, I was really worried that was going to be some sort of a permanent thing.
Let's get back to living!
Masks will naturally die in the next few weeks regardless of what the guidelines are anyway.
I'm delighted covid passes are being done away with, I was really worried that was going to be some sort of a permanent thing.
Let's get back to living!
Yes. We went to get tested for the first time since the pandemic started because she had a slightly sire throat and I then got tested more for moral support than anything else - both negative. Luckily the queues for PCR testing have come down and instead of up to 6 hrs and many days for a result we only had to wait 10 mins and the result was back in 7 hrs. Pissing down with rain so that might have helped.
How long do people think we will have to wear masks? Will they stay forever given this will always be around like the flu.
Very hard to get here and we have to pay for them at $15-30 a time.
There is actually quite a bit of debate about using this name. A placebo and a nocebo are exactly the same thing only you are making a judgement that the effect is desirable or undesirable. The issue is where the effect could be desirable or undesirable to different people e.g. a lowering of blood pressure could be the effect which would be an adverse outcome for most but a positive outcome for someone with high blood pressure.
So 2 years of kicking the can down the street is coming to an end soon here in NZ. Omicron has snuck into the community, at this point just a couple of cases which we all have no doubt will take off quickly. the modelling is suggesting anywhere between 1000 to 10,000 case per day, some of it based on what we have seen with our friends in Aussie and also other countries with similar populations. Kids from 6 to 12 are able to be vaccinated if their parents choose and the push to get booster shots rolled out is in full swing. The modelling is also suggesting that we wont get down to 100 to 300 cases per day until about Sept once it kicks in here. People here are ready, fingers crossed our hospital system is. Sadly 30 or so years of various govts have left our health system lacking, we are by most estimates 2 hospitals short (which is a lot for a small country like ours) so this coming year is really going to stress our system.
Can't wait till the masks are gone, my beard will be set free
I'm good but thanks for the offer and I'll let you know if I ever need any. Fully recovered now?
I still have a bit of a cough and some fatigue, but nothing too troubling really - thanks
yeah let me know if you need any, I've stocked up!
I have read some things n here over the years but that is one of the .... least informed lets say.
If the pandemic is coming to an end why do you think that might be? And what do you mean obsolete?
Why not?
It doesn't seem sustainable. Having Covid jabs alongside flu shots annually seems like a likely scenario assuming new variants keep coming up.