Might not be hard to monitor it but to prove people are knowingly and deliberately spreading misinformation and lies and then to take it a step further and not allow them to do it is a very difficult proposition. Just look at political parties in umpteen countries , I'm guessing failed/unattempted campaign promises wouldn't fall into your definition of KDSML. How many people should be in jail for Brexit? The iraq war? The vietnam war? etc
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
I think it was pretty clear that the phrasing "just can't help himself", and the comparison to a drunk putting the world to rights in the pub in the comforting presence of his close friend on the unspoken understanding that they have limited knowledge, was a criticism of Peterson's egotism, rather than suggesting he is a "victim". The world is not consistent of goodies and baddies, victims and oppressors, and sympathy is a human reaction that occurs even when someone is in part responsible for their own mess. I sympathise with JP's apparent desire to speak on every political or philosophical topic, as in part he appears to be what I suppose you could choose to describe as a "victim" of his own ego, and in part he appears to be a fragile soul who hasn't been able to cope with being thrust from obscurity to public prominence.
There are things which are easily verifiable though, and to start out by just filtering them is a good start. If see people making up statistics, fabricating stories, don't allow them to go on, just take it off. It's way too easy to trick people with these, it's too dangerous. The ease with which this can be spread these days will eventually destroy societies, it has already put a huge dent in people interactions and it won't get any better.
The real problem is that we live in a world where people aren’t smart enough to realise that muppets like Joe Rogan, are half witted conspiracy peddling nut jobs. And consequently, these half witted conspiracy peddling nut jobs become crazily rich, leading the even more dim witted masses down the path of bad, dangerous, or bigoted decision making.
We really are in a world that is that stupid, because the vast majority of people are really, really thick. And these days intelligence is no longer (if it ever was) a pre-requisite for success. We actually live in a society now where intelligence, rational thought, balance, pragmatism, and scientific evidence are ridiculed and rejected on a large scale.
The internet has been a revelation for the proliferation of knowledge and learning, but it also been a warp drive for the advancement of ignorance. Now, most people get their news from fringe sources or individuals with no burden of proof, no journalistic integrity, and no consequences for spreading lies and misinformation. The biggest influencers in our societies, those with the biggest reach and voice are people like your Rogans, Kardashians, and whatever other pop culture numpty you can think of. People who are the intellectual equivalent of a drunken stranger at the local pub on a Friday night, spouting some knee jerk nonsense they heard from a “bloke they know”. Just instead, they get paid on a mass scale for it, and use their platforms to push whatever their latest snake oil is.
I don’t even get involved with a debate about whether Spotify should host his podcast, because the fact that there is such demand for the consumption of the pseudo intellectual crap he peddles, to the point that it’s worth $100mm to them, is a far far bigger problem to me, than what he says. If people were smarter, there’d be no market for it. But they aren’t, so if it isn’t Rogan, it’ll be some other ill informed, ignorant plonker peddling bullshit. And people would continue to lap it up.
It’s easier just to accept that we are all fecked at this point. Because stupid people so massively out number the smart, that’s it’s borderline impossible to get humanity to make intelligent choices on a scale large enough to avoid the impeding climate, health, and geo-political disasters that are headed our way. Instead we will continue to brainwash idiots into voting against their own self interests, and sabotage the best efforts of the scientific community to protect their health, quality of life, and safety.
We really are in a world that is that stupid, because the vast majority of people are really, really thick. And these days intelligence is no longer (if it ever was) a pre-requisite for success. We actually live in a society now where intelligence, rational thought, balance, pragmatism, and scientific evidence are ridiculed and rejected on a large scale.
The internet has been a revelation for the proliferation of knowledge and learning, but it also been a warp drive for the advancement of ignorance. Now, most people get their news from fringe sources or individuals with no burden of proof, no journalistic integrity, and no consequences for spreading lies and misinformation. The biggest influencers in our societies, those with the biggest reach and voice are people like your Rogans, Kardashians, and whatever other pop culture numpty you can think of. People who are the intellectual equivalent of a drunken stranger at the local pub on a Friday night, spouting some knee jerk nonsense they heard from a “bloke they know”. Just instead, they get paid on a mass scale for it, and use their platforms to push whatever their latest snake oil is.
I don’t even get involved with a debate about whether Spotify should host his podcast, because the fact that there is such demand for the consumption of the pseudo intellectual crap he peddles, to the point that it’s worth $100mm to them, is a far far bigger problem to me, than what he says. If people were smarter, there’d be no market for it. But they aren’t, so if it isn’t Rogan, it’ll be some other ill informed, ignorant plonker peddling bullshit. And people would continue to lap it up.
It’s easier just to accept that we are all fecked at this point. Because stupid people so massively out number the smart, that’s it’s borderline impossible to get humanity to make intelligent choices on a scale large enough to avoid the impeding climate, health, and geo-political disasters that are headed our way. Instead we will continue to brainwash idiots into voting against their own self interests, and sabotage the best efforts of the scientific community to protect their health, quality of life, and safety.
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Good post. It basically comes down to what I said here, an average person cannot be trusted to verify information and make up their mind because often they will just be led by what feels good to them.
And what feels good is when despite having no education, no knowledge and possibly no intellectual capacity to have a proper view on the topic, you can just go and challenge better educated people with something you’ve read on FB.
The JP cringe continues......the dude needs to commit himself for proper mental help.
That might be part of it, but another part is that he has a very overinflated view of his own expertise. He thinks he's an expert in neuroscience, and in evolutionary biology. He thinks he's an expert in climate science. He's not, obviosuly, and we can only hope that these are the three single topics he mistakenly claims expertise. When he says that he has studied "ideology" for decades he probably thinks he's speaking from expertise when he's railing agaisnt the postmodern neomarxists as Trudeau as well.
I think advertising should be allowed to claim any effect whatsoever for their products. That’s just free speech and we shouldn’t censor them. The customers are smart enough to do their own research, after all. So Nestle should be allowed to claim that their products cure cancer. That’s free speech, after all.
I also believe there shouldn’t be warning labels on any potentially dangerous products. Companies should be free to label them as safe, no matter what. After all, we as consumers are smart enough to do research. And it would be a censorship of those companies. Labelling something that easily goes up in flames as inflammable would be a hate crime and against freedom.
I think it is very important that companies and celebrities can tell lies, spout misinformation and propaganda, because I’m a gullible idiot who was made to actually believe that this is freedom, all while living in the US, one of the least free developed countries there is.
I also believe there shouldn’t be warning labels on any potentially dangerous products. Companies should be free to label them as safe, no matter what. After all, we as consumers are smart enough to do research. And it would be a censorship of those companies. Labelling something that easily goes up in flames as inflammable would be a hate crime and against freedom.
I think it is very important that companies and celebrities can tell lies, spout misinformation and propaganda, because I’m a gullible idiot who was made to actually believe that this is freedom, all while living in the US, one of the least free developed countries there is.
And it’s very easy to present all of the above in the way that people will believe all of it should actually be happening in real world.
The concept of total and complete freedom is o do anything is just so ridiculous it’s hard to fathom how people can fall for this.
I think the Libertarians sweetened the deal by putting weed in there, and they didn't take much convincing after that
The other big irony about dope smoking libertarian dip shits is that they’ve spent most of the pandemic moaning about big pharma’s evil influence on the vaccine roll-out and medicines being foisted on them before they’ve been adequately tested.
What do they think would happen in a libertarian utopia where pharma companies operate without any of the current rigorous regulations around drug development. marketing and safety?
What do they think would happen in a libertarian utopia where pharma companies operate without any of the current rigorous regulations around drug development. marketing and safety?
...Hillary?
If it's an inside joke, im not getting it.
Don't think he gets it either.
Mentioned mental deficiency in terms of no critical assessment earlier existing rampant in society. You are spot on.
The media is just a modern form of religion to control the masses.
Do you get your information by doing your own research?
Wish i had enough free time,
Of course not its impossible to do that for everything was a generalisation of what the "media" has become there's plenty of excellent stuff under the same umberella without any intention to influence people in a certain direction.
I enjoy a Rogan podcast when he's got a interesting guest or its something i'm genuinely interested in, but i'm also not going out taking every supplement under the sun shouting about alpha brain from the rooftops.
Guys completely wrong on many topics and struggles to see past his own experiences, especially Covid he can't seem to comprehend that not everyone can run out to their doctor mate get all the best treatments in the world and be fine in 3 days, so maybe the vaccine is a good idea.
I can thoroughly enjoy something but still see the bad, should we all miss out on something because others can't that's the real issue in this whole conversation.
Don’t worry, he‘s not.
Can't be serious.
He didn’t ask them to remove him. He asked for his content to be removed to make a point.
Content removal doesn’t always mean full cancellation. Spotify has removed other people’s vax misinformation, why not Rogan’s?
Very good post. 100% spot on.
I imagine there's something in the deal about censorship its one of joe's favourite topics.
Although they did remove a few episodes one of them Alex Jones episode when they moved over all his back catalogue.
I would guess the vaste majority of all news outlets in any way shape or form are super politcal, agenda driven and dependent on their financier. State or private
Me every time I read one of your posts.
Basket of deplorables.
Ah, so he was suggesting an accurate statement had been made. Okay.
Why would that matter to you? Turning to jokes and smileys is what you do everytime you're confronted with something: it's what you did when I asked you why you follow fascists on twitter, it's what you did when @nimic took you seriously, it's your go-to. You even have a rehearsed song and dance. So on the off chance that they're not actually being serious your reaction shouldn't be incredulity, it should be applause.
Not sure the 'vast majority of people are really, really thick' is accurate.
You asked me why I follow facists on twitter? I answered with jokes and a smileys? You expected different? Did you fall on your head or something?
Can't be serious.
You are embarrassing yourself here. Really bad.
That sounds like a fair assessment and it does seem Peterson himself has really lost the plot the last few years.
5-6 years ago, I think you could say it's just entertainment and not take Rogan's takes and guests seriously but the problem, as many have pointed out, is that Rogan has gone in hard on the anti-vaxxer propaganda, stacked the show with rather extreme elements and does push a false and misleading narrative.
Just his guest list selection alone is heavily skewed toward pushing a certain narrative and not reflective of the scientific facts. If everyone took these guests as lightly as you might, there wouldn't be a problem but there are huge sections of the population that do take Joe Rogan's show and guests as fact and he does wield an outsize influence on scientific matters far beyond his credentials as a fight commentator. No one should be listening to a fight commentator for anything related to Covid He's moved way past "just entertainment" by what he's chosen to focus on the last few years.
A great example is famous NFL quarterback Aaron Rodgers who provides a key example of how Rogan wields ridiculous influence and also amplifies that influence due to his own fame and status.
"I consulted with a now-good friend of mine, Joe Rogan, after he got Covid and I’ve been doing a lot of the stuff that he recommended in his podcasts and on the phone to me,” Mr Rodgers said on The Pat McAfee Show on SiriusXM Radio in November. “I’ve been taking monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, zinc, vitamin C, and D, [hydroxychloroquine], and I feel pretty incredible.”
He's taking bullshit like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine simply because Rogan recommends it on a podcast. And Rodgers isn't some under-educated buffoon. He went to UC Berkeley, one of the top universities. It's not likeRogan even has a balanced guest list let alone a representative one. He is giving full support to an array of complete kooks and pure grifters and it is a dangerous influence. As someone posted, look at the difference between Rogan's treatment of Sanjay Gupta and some of the other quacks he's had on.
So while I don't think the government should or have the ability to "ban" him, I do think he's far beyond the "just entertainment" excuse. He's a complete fraud with a very dangerous agenda that hides behind his "just entertainment" bullshit while very intentionally propping up far-right nutters solely because he knows he can steal a living from very stupid Americans.
Agreed, definitely egotism and overinflated view of his expertise. It also appears that he attempts to use reasoning which may work in psychology, which is an incredibly subjective and intuitive field, but doesn't work in other fields. The most famous example that demonstrates this was his lobster ponderings, which kind of works as a light hearted demonstration that social hierarchies exist in a variety of forms throughout nature and are in part caused by biology/serotonin, but he took it further and made fairly confusing statements that claimed this proved that hierarchies were therefore inevitable and necessary and good and worth upholding.
Also his religious/mythology stuff is very strange from what I've seen of it, he appears to pick a religious story or mythology that works as an analogy for some aspect of modern psychology, and then runs with it to claim that therefore this proves the validity of the religion and the virtue of the psychological trait that is detectable in the myth. Which kind of ignores the fact that inevitably old stories will contain analogies of modern human psychology, because the stories were made up by humans, just as the characters in Eastenders are! It'd be like a professor in 2000 years time talking about how Ian Beale's entrepreneurship should be considered proof of the importance and virtue of capitalism, and that Eastenders had a profound impact on global financial policy.
DittoThirded.
So twitter tells me i should be cancelling Spotify because Joe Rogan is a mass murderer, or summat.
I don't listen to his shows as I consider him an insufferable bellend with the whole antivax Bollox.
Am I gonna cancel it because some shithead on twitter demands it? Nope.
If people are stupid enough to take that cretins word on anything then it's their problem, I'll just keep on listening to good tunes and the occasional Athletico Mince.
I don't listen to his shows as I consider him an insufferable bellend with the whole antivax Bollox.
Am I gonna cancel it because some shithead on twitter demands it? Nope.
If people are stupid enough to take that cretins word on anything then it's their problem, I'll just keep on listening to good tunes and the occasional Athletico Mince.
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I doubt that Spotify even care if Neil Young and Barry Manilow leave their platform. But what if someone like Paul McCartney or Willie Nelson decided to follow suit? Would Spotify even care? I think it would need a mass exodus of subscribers for them to even consider dropping JRE.
Im not sure any of the heritage acts really do important numbers for them. If Drake, Adele, Ed Sheeran & The Weeknd made a stand it might have an effect.