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Still prefer Ten Hag. Have a feeling Tuchel might not stay around for a long time and by the time Ten Hag might well be at City. That being said Tuchel over Poch is a no brainer.
And where does Pep come into it?He would rank at the top. I only have Klopp above him.
There is no manager in the world currently at Klopp or Pep level. Tuchel and Simeone probably top the list of managers under that level.
Fair points, maybe ETH or someone else not as known? can’t we take a risk go for the next great up and coming manager?Who is?
Interesting, where's this from ?
Ralf recently was asked in an interview who are the best managers in the PL and he name dropped Klopp and Pep with no mention of Tuchel. Sorry can’t remember if this was a press conference or his recent sky sports interview. He has obviously praised Tuchel in numerous other interviews but doesn’t rate him on the same level as those clearly.Source: trust me bro
Even if Ragnarok didn’t rate Tuchel to the same level as Pep or Klopp it doesn’t matter - he’s quite clearly third best in the world after those two.
Partly. There's the hope that ten Hag could genuinely be something special. With the likes of Pochettino and Tuchel, we know they are good/very good, but ultimately not the very best. Also, ten Hag has Ajax playing a more attractive brand of football.Really surprised by the amount of people who prefer ETH over Tuchel.
Classic case of prefering the unknown?
I want ETH too but he is vastly overrated on this forum, as was Jadon “generational talent, up there with mpbappe”. If ETH was as good as everyone on here said then he wouldn’t be in a tie in the balance with a really poor Benfica side, he would have blew them out.Partly. There's the hope that ten Hag could genuinely be something special. With the likes of Pochettino and Tuchel, we know they are good/very good, but ultimately not the very best. Also, ten Hag has Ajax playing a more attractive brand of football.
I hate his guts.And where does Pep come into it?
Sancho is a brilliant player. Mbappe might be pushing it, but Jadon is a class act for sure. No manager is perfect, mate. Liverpool struggled to get past Inter and Klopp isn't half bad.I want ETH too but he is vastly overrated on this forum, as was Jadon “generational talent, up there with mpbappe”. If ETH was as good as everyone on here said then he wouldn’t be in a tie in the balance with a really poor Benfica side, he would have blew them out.
Yes, and ETH is fitting the profile of that guy.Fair points, maybe ETH or someone else not as known? can’t we take a risk go for the next great up and coming manager?
I think people not only underestimate Tuchel, but they overestimate the probability that ETH is a top five (not to say top 10) coach.Partly. There's the hope that ten Hag could genuinely be something special. With the likes of Pochettino and Tuchel, we know they are good/very good, but ultimately not the very best. Also, ten Hag has Ajax playing a more attractive brand of football.
Im sure John Terry will be available.Spare a thought for Chelsea. With the sanctions I think they can't employ/sign anyone. Who is going to coach Chelsea next season if Tuchel leave?
Quite possibly on both scores. It's impossible to say with a great deal of certainty what level ten Hag is at, but he has shown a lot of promise and there's the feeling that he needs the right platform to showcase just how good he is. This is exacerbated by the fact that we haven't employed this profile of manager since 2013.I think people not only underestimate Tuchel, but they overestimate the probability that ETH is a top five (not to say top 10) coach.
I’m also not sure there is that big a difference between Tuchel and Pep/Klopp. If any. It took Pep/Klopp years to get City/LFC to where they are today. To see how much Chelsea have improved in little over a year is really impressive. For the last two ganes against LFC I think Chelsea where just as good, and maybe even better, than Liverpool. In my opinion, looking at the attackers of Chelsea compared to LFC, that is some feat.
I also think Chelsea buildup this season is second only to City.
I reckon a good few of us do not watch the Dutch league, however, it's the excitement that ETH's Ajax team brings to the CL (the highest stage of club football really), and their actual progress in the competition despite not having the financial clout of others which people understandably find massively impressive.Really surprised by the amount of people who prefer ETH over Tuchel.
Classic case of prefering the unknown?
People seem to think this is the end of Chelsea. When in reality very little will happen and they’ll probably be sold, if at all, to another incredibly wealthy individual and keep being successful.Why would this happen?
Let's see what he says in the summer. Can Chelsea buy players?As expected
They also lack a bit of de Bruyne/Salah/Mane. Looking at their forwards, Havertz/Werner/Mount, I must say, it is really not comparable to Mane/Salah/Firmino/Jota or Mahrez/Sterling/Foden/Grealish/KdB/Bilva.Quite possibly on both scores. It's impossible to say with a great deal of certainty what level ten Hag is at, but he has shown a lot of promise and there's the feeling that he needs the right platform to showcase just how good he is. This is exacerbated by the fact that we haven't employed this profile of manager since 2013.
Chelsea in a one off game can give anyone a run for their money. I agree that they have performed well against Liverpool this season. It's just whether Tuchel can find that ruthless consistency that City and Liverpool have. Chelsea fans argue that injuries to Chilwell and James have prevented this, but I have my doubts. I find them to be a solid, well organised unit, but they lack a bit of fantasy.
You missed my point entirely. Jadon is a very good player, hopefully he kicks on, but generational was streching it. ETH is good too, but the way some talk about him here makes him seem like the next coming of Christ.Sancho is a brilliant player. Mbappe might be pushing it, but Jadon is a class act for sure. No manager is perfect, mate. Liverpool struggled to get past Inter and Klopp isn't half bad.
Yeah, agreed. The question becomes - to what extent are Chelsea hampered creatively due to a lack of quality compared to their rivals, or due to a manager with a slightly negative/pragmatic mindset?They also lack a bit of de Bruyne/Salah/Mane. Looking at their forwards, Havertz/Werner/Mount, I must say, it is really not comparable to Mane/Salah/Firmino/Jota or Mahrez/Sterling/Foden/Grealish/KdB/Bilva.
Chilwell/James is not the only reason, but considering the relatively low level of their attackers, I understand that they miss them. I think Liverpool would struggle without TAA/Robertson. But they still have Salah/Mane.
What does generational even mean? Sancho has the talent to be one of the best players of his type in the world. That's not stretching anything. As for ten Hag, I do agree to an extent. There is a possibility he is the next coming of Christ, but the proof is in the pudding. Until he has the opportunity to work at the highest level, then it's impossible to know for sure. There are promising signs though.You missed my point entirely. Jadon is a very good player, hopefully he kicks on, but generational was streching it. ETH is good too, but the way some talk about him here makes him seem like the next coming of Christ.
I agree with Neville that we should never of got conte but Neville is starting to wind me up, never ever criticised ole when we was at our worse time. But one step wrong with rangnick and he’s quick to criticise him. That’s the same for all our ex players, quick to do the talking but they have short memories because Neville failed miserably at management and hasn’t gone back to it since and same with scholes. Only one that talks sense is Keane. He’s forever calling out the players rather then manager.Honestly, I'm sick of hearing about how we should have gone for Conte and that we've made such a big mistake. I agree with Neville.
Yeah, Neville definitely picks and chooses who to attack and who to passionately defend. I always find him interesting to listen to, but I don't always agree with his views. The media's criticism of our decision to go for an interim is bizarre though. Fair enough they might not agree with it, but to refuse to acknowledge the thought or plan behind it, is stubborn and blinkered. Why appoint Conte or whoever if he isn't the guy we want long term? We are just supposed to bring him in and suck it up because he is available? No thanks.I agree with Neville that we should never of got conte but Neville is starting to wind me up, never ever criticised ole when we was at our worse time. But one step wrong with rangnick and he’s quick to criticise him. That’s the same for all our ex players, quick to do the talking but they have short memories because Neville failed miserably at management and hasn’t gone back to it since and same with scholes. Only one that talks sense is Keane. He’s forever calling out the players rather then manager.
Would be very shrewd and very beneficial for us long term tbh. Quite certain someone like Ralf who helped him get his start in football would back it as well.
Much better option than the current apparent favorite in Poch...
I am getting worried the more I hear Poch. Considering how united has been run the past years, I wouldn't be surprised if some decides to hire him.I'm too embedded in the ETH hype train to want anyone else, but I'd be happy with Tuchel as a second choice.
Just not Poch please.
That is most likely, but for that to happen Abrahmovic has to basically write off the value of the club. Which seens unlikely too.People seem to think this is the end of Chelsea. When in reality very little will happen and they’ll probably be sold, if at all, to another incredibly wealthy individual and keep being successful.
I heard Lampard will be looking fora job soon after getting Everton relegated. They can always get him back. He's a Chelsea legend after all.I think this would be our best transfer since RvP in terms of the impact it would bring.
100% behind any chance to hire this guy and leave Chelski in the dirt.
(Sorry Chelsea fans)
Who’s better after Klopp or Pep?DWelbz, that’s very subjective, I don’t see how he’s ‘clearly’ the third best in the world. He’s one of the best obviously but your over exaggerating there. Don’t get me wrong though, would be happy to have him here of course but he’s not gonna win us the PL while Klopp and Pep are here.
NaglesmannWho’s better after Klopp or Pep?