That's fair. There is at least a little bit of 'having to turn right' involved in that Vegas track.From the country that is obsessed with this:
…I’d say that’s positively complex and exciting.
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From the country that is obsessed with this:
…I’d say that’s positively complex and exciting.
Watkins Glen hosted the us Gp for a number of years. Similarly Sonoma is a good course also.From the country that is obsessed with this:
…I’d say that’s positively complex and exciting.
Also anybody who thinks Monaco is going anywhere is deluded. It is
- part of the triple crown
- The most popular for elites in the sport including sponsors for marketing reasons
- A part of f1 culture like Monza
In my book:
Monaco, Silverstone, Spa, Monza, Suzuka
Are the untouchables. There are other great tracks, but those five are F1.
Monaco, Silverstone, Spa, Monza, Suzuka
Are the untouchables. There are other great tracks, but those five are F1.
"I'm gonna drive, I'm gonna go fast and I'm gonna turn to left sometimes!"From the country that is obsessed with this:
…I’d say that’s positively complex and exciting.
The issue with Monaco is the cars are just too big for that track now. They need to modify it somehow. Atleast back in the 60/70/80/90's the cars were small enough to actually get alongside and pass, that's near impossible now.
The skill and bravery required to drive around it as fast as possible is exciting, but the actual racing isn't.
I remember somebody on youtube (chainbear I think) mentioned the possibility of a joker lap style extension. If you're being held up by another car then you can take your joker lap (an extra part of the track that adds like +15 seconds) so that you can make up the time on the track. Eventually the person that was holding you up will be forced to take the joker lap too and you will overtake them.
They showed how in Monaco there is an extra part of the city they could use as the detour. I guess it just depends how much they want to jazz it up, or whether they're happy just having it as a booze up weekend.
I know the drivers enjoy driving it, but the race is all about qualifying and not crashing.
The skill and bravery required to drive around it as fast as possible is exciting, but the actual racing isn't.
I remember somebody on youtube (chainbear I think) mentioned the possibility of a joker lap style extension. If you're being held up by another car then you can take your joker lap (an extra part of the track that adds like +15 seconds) so that you can make up the time on the track. Eventually the person that was holding you up will be forced to take the joker lap too and you will overtake them.
They showed how in Monaco there is an extra part of the city they could use as the detour. I guess it just depends how much they want to jazz it up, or whether they're happy just having it as a booze up weekend.
I know the drivers enjoy driving it, but the race is all about qualifying and not crashing.
How would the joker lap work in the event of a chain of cars, or is the idea everyone has to take that once a race? Under normal conditions that 15 seconds would mean being behind 6+ extra cars and potentially getting stuck behind slower cars.
Yeah, there's few ideas on possible adjustments to the course. I think the best one I've seen was an extension over the new land reclamation project to give a proper straight and an overtaking opportunity on the turn back to the old course. The track would divert before the tunnel into where the water is now and then rejoin the existing track which Prince Albert commented on a couple of years back.
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Well if there is say 60 laps you could say you need to take 5 joker laps over the total GP. You could pick and choose when to take them, as long as you have done 5 before the end of the race.
That would give people flexibility in strategy, allow faster cars to get out of the train and make up time etc. I think it would introduce a much needed dynamic that would still give you the Monaco excitement, but a way to spice it up enough to keep it interesting.
Monaco is a lot like Old Trafford - it has a lot of history and prestige, but it's not really fit for purpose anymore.
Also similar is the way people are becoming more and more open to removing/replacing them. Eventually the Monaco GP organisers will have to make improvements to get people tuning in, or risk losing the race.
Also similar is the way people are becoming more and more open to removing/replacing them. Eventually the Monaco GP organisers will have to make improvements to get people tuning in, or risk losing the race.
That makes sense, basically 5 opportunities to find some space, and gain an advantage. It would definitely improve things, and it is tactically interesting rather than improving the racing I guess. As a short term fix it would be worth trying.
Yep exactly. Say like last year for example, Hamilton had a bad qualifying and ended up 7th. He got completely held up by Gasly all race long and the only strategy call was the pit stop.
In this scenario he could take 2/3 of his joker laps in a row, end up at the back of the train and use up his tyres to make a massive time advantage, then pit back into clean air and hope for a safety car or wait for others to take their joker laps.
Other cars might react to Hamilton doing this and choose to copy/block him, but then that frees up space in the midfield for others to take advantage of.
It would make such a big difference IMO. The only stipulation i'd have is cars are unable to take the joker lap under safety cars/VSC to make it fair. That would also add another element of risk.
I have been to Monaco a number of times. And there is almost no scope for any meaningful changes. In fact it is amazing that they are able to do what they do.
To be fair, it used to have some quite exciting races. Senna and Mansell for example.
But nowadays, the cars are just too big and too reliable. And unless it rains, it normally is a procession.
There's a new area being reclaimed from the sea which could potentially be used and is right next to the existing track. It's due to be open in 2025 (I believe the land is already reclaimed, but not available for use yet)
Monaco's $2.3bn project to expand into Mediterranean Sea - CNN Style
Thank you. I saw the very early work that was going on to produce this additional land. But I was of the opinion it was primarily for high rise accommodation. And it didn't look that big. But anything is worth a try.
It's not big, but could potentially add a more sweeping, open section to the circuit followed by a hairpin for overtaking. The ideas I've seen floated are more ambitious but just using the land as it is would give this at Portiers. Without any changes it would re-join the existing track at the tunnel and the rest of the track could remain.
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I had an idea for Monaco which was to get rid of the middle approaching a few corner so there is a lot of room to go around the outside, hard to say what I mean but I'll make a paint drawing
If there was space to add this extra section to make the joker lap, I think it would be great fun and make the race interesting again. However, I don't remotely think it will ever happen, its too "out there" for F1 and from a sporting standpoint, having 1 race out of 20+ having a very different in race format is unlikely something F1 management would want. Hope I'm wrong though.
Maybe f1 in the past under Ecclestone, but with new management they seem quite open to other ideas. If we can have a night race on a saturday in Las Vegas and the new sprint races they trialled, I see no reason why they can't make Monaco a better spectacle.
I bet if you polled f1 fans right now it would be one of the least favourite races.
Looks interesting doesn't it. Let's see how it goes.It's not big, but could potentially add a more sweeping, open section to the circuit followed by a hairpin for overtaking. The ideas I've seen floated are more ambitious but just using the land as it is would give this at Portiers. Without any changes it would re-join the existing track at the tunnel and the rest of the track could remain.
I think over a number of years that have become harder for new fans to get into F1 due to a processional aspect Monaco would be one of the standout ones because overtaking is down to pit strategies alone. I don't know if some people have become a bit precious over it, that it's a so called Crown Jewel but with car developments nothing will always be so, discussing it isn't a sacred cow at all, we'll only get improvements either way hopefully.
Yeah that's what I'm getting at, it used to be really exciting, in the same way that OT used to be the best stadium in the country.
They've now both been left behind by much better contemporaries.
That is a fact of life isn't it. Stand still and you are going backwards.
Manchester United are not even standing still.
Those ideas are pretty crazy, the mega joker one and Super qualifying Sunday, dont like them.
But the smaller cars is a good idea, with the cost cap, its not going to happen, ut having a smaller car for Monaco does have some merit.
Yeah most of the ideas are a little over the top, but the one with extending just before the runnel around the roundabout area would work really well IMO.
A simple extra addition that could revolutionise monaco with the joker lap.
Agreed, Monaco is shite. However, sprint races are not unusual in motor sport so it wasn't that big of a leap to trial them.
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Maybe a good idea would be Mandatory 3 tyres to be used instead with 2 of the same type
just watched the duel programme on sky and it’s brought back how much of a shit show the last race was last season so maybe I’m just being a bit grumpy but that joker lap idea you can’t be serious, that’s not racing.
I've just watched the final Drive to Survive episode and now I'm fuming all over again
I'd rather play around with the Monaco format than sprint qualifying. At least the former is trying to fix a potential issue.
That said, I'm not that bothered. I'm fine with an iconic race staying even if it's fairly boring.
That said, I'm not that bothered. I'm fine with an iconic race staying even if it's fairly boring.
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I do love the extreme test you get at Monaco and it offers something different to the rest of the tracks even those tighter tracks that are said to be Monaco like. Comparing it to OT is just silly as Monaco is still a highly demanding circuit with every lap and a hot lap spectacle. It's eye of the needle driving that I really appreciate but can understand some want the racing but after 35 years of F1, it is not a sport I'd point to for racing, it's mostly a procession, it's a sport about a team dominating in development and driving at the top of demands and glamour, racing is a bonus.
This is a good idea i have long thought should be introduced at monaco. The least costly in terms of changes. Plus every chance of a pit screwup or somwthing to alter the order.
From playing the f1 games, Singapore is the more enjoyable street circuit as its relentless. Monaco is just too narrow for the modern f1 cars thats why it feels like a extreme test, when its not really. Try driving a hummer around your town centre and its the same principle i.e. car too big for the roads. In my opinion of course.
I think when the racing is reduced to hoping for a pit stop mistake to make things exciting there is more fundamental issues
Three tyre types could be part of a solution but I think without some more fundamental track lay out changes it would be too little to make much of a difference
Of course how you change the track is not an easy question to answer but I hope if Monaco is to stay on the calendar that they find some solution
The F1 game allows you to race Monaco at night. It looks so much better. Would be interested to see an actual f1 night race at Monaco if it was logistically possible.
Fast forward to 2:15min to see a lap at night in game.
Fast forward to 2:15min to see a lap at night in game.
I dont disagree, i just think its worth trying as it wont cost f1 anymore money for that race weekend.
As some previous posters said, the land extension into the sea might give Monaco a chance to at least extend the track and maybe bring something new, or that new part of a theoretical circuit night not allow any overtaking opportunities.
Meh, I feel like a sport has to be willing to move on from history or perceived romance. Monaco is just a race I'll be glad to skip and check results afterwards.
The whole point about F1 being more about development and prestige and racing being a 'bonus' doesn't sit well with me. You can do all of them. Jeddah was great racing between Leclerc and Verstappen.
The whole point about F1 being more about development and prestige and racing being a 'bonus' doesn't sit well with me. You can do all of them. Jeddah was great racing between Leclerc and Verstappen.
I do play racing sims and Monaco is still a special track from the cockpit. It's always been a tough place to drive around and overtake, not just recently.
Suzuka is quite narrow but is so special I wouldn't change it for the world, ever corner and elevation is magnificent.