F1 2022 Season

[Rado_N]

How safe is it going to be? Are they knocking down any 'landmarks' such as the Eiffel Tower or using valet parking outside the casinos?

Will Americans think it's exciting enough or that there's plenty of overtaking? Maybe it has a couple or so longish straights.

Knocking down landmarks??

That map I quoted looks like it should give a few opportunities for passing and includes some interesting sections.

I suspect they’ll be relaying some of the roads as from memory there are some not great sections of paving around the bits off the strip.

 

[sglowrider]

That earlier map was entirely wrong then!

This looks much better.

I assume it right --- got it off the horse's mouth. SkyF1

 

[Wal2Fra]

Any advice on the best way to get tickets. I am thinking about heading to the Italian GP in September. Is the F1 site the best place to go or are there other places that would do the weekend package a bit cheaper (or include hotels etc…)

 

[oates]

Knocking down landmarks??

That map I quoted looks like it should give a few opportunities for passing and includes some interesting sections.

I suspect they’ll be relaying some of the roads as from memory there are some not great sections of paving around the bits off the strip.

I'm just thinking about some run off areas is all.

Being in America I don't suppose they have very wide roads though?

 

[hp88]

Any advice on the best way to get tickets. I am thinking about heading to the Italian GP in September. Is the F1 site the best place to go or are there other places that would do the weekend package a bit cheaper (or include hotels etc…)

I am looking to do Monza as well but tickets haven’t been released yet.

 

[TwoSheds]

Have Imola tickets gone out yet?

 

[Wal2Fra]

I am looking to do Monza as well but tickets haven’t been released yet.

I set a notification on the f1 ticket page to be told when they are released, so I guess it will be around that time other companies (travel agenices etc…) would start putting toghether packages too

Have Imola tickets gone out yet?

Yes, they only have the 3 day package on the f1 site though.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I'm just thinking about some run off areas is all.

Being in America I don't suppose they have very wide roads though?

It's a street track so won't be any run offs. Think Jeddah/Monaco/Baku

 

[oates]

It's a street track so won't be any run offs. Think Jeddah/Monaco/Baku

That is kind of my point man.

edit, sorry, doesn't come across well. I just think 1 street track, maybe 2 in a season is more than enough. Maybe the risks to drivers aren't worth the biscuit but the racing is usually poor along with the surfaces, tyre grip, degradation is tricky, kerbs can flip a car or take it spearing into another. blah blah blah, loads more reasons.

But it does have some straights.

 

[Rado_N]

That is kind of my point man.

edit, sorry, doesn't come across well. I just think 1 street track, maybe 2 in a season is more than enough. Maybe the risks to drivers aren't worth the biscuit but the racing is usually poor along with the surfaces, tyre grip, degradation is tricky, kerbs can flip a car or take it spearing into another. blah blah blah, loads more reasons.

But it does have some straights.

The roads are pretty wide, but yea it’s still a street circuit with the risks that go along with it.

 

[JamesB__]

I think it looks like it’ll be an awesome event.

Concern is it pushes a more historical venue off the calendar.

 

[oates]

The roads are pretty wide, but yea it’s still a street circuit with the risks that go along with it.

I think a really important aspect of selling the race to Americans apart from not going along with my team cheerleaders idea is that the size of the buildings makes the cars appear not to be going that fast. Americans will be disappointed.

 

[Adam-Utd]

That is kind of my point man.

edit, sorry, doesn't come across well. I just think 1 street track, maybe 2 in a season is more than enough. Maybe the risks to drivers aren't worth the biscuit but the racing is usually poor along with the surfaces, tyre grip, degradation is tricky, kerbs can flip a car or take it spearing into another. blah blah blah, loads more reasons.

But it does have some straights.

Yeah im not a big fan of street racing either but unfortunately it's where the money is these days.

as long as they make it interesting enough it'll be fine.

 

[vangagal]

Another thing, with another street circuit in calendar i think it make Formula E become more pointless going forward. They just get push aside more and more. Used to watched it quite often but i got bored quickly. I dont see its appeal aside from electric stuff anymore.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Another thing, with another street circuit in calendar i think it make Formula E become more pointless going forward. They just get push aside more and more. Used to watched it quite often but i got bored quickly. I dont see its appeal aside from electric stuff anymore.

Formula E sucks because the tracks are always way too small, there's no room to safely overtake so they just end up either crashing into eachother or it becomes a train.

I don't think the budget is there to truly push development of electric vehicles either, so it's not really doing anything useful apart from being another formula.

 

[vangagal]

Formula E sucks because the tracks are always way too small, there's no room to safely overtake so they just end up either crashing into eachother or it becomes a train.

I don't think the budget is there to truly push development of electric vehicles either, so it's not really doing anything useful apart from being another formula.

Yeah and there's thats too. Whoever design the circuits need to be sacked i think. So poorly design all around.
Merc(last season this year), BMW and Audi have pulled out from there. I can see the others pulled out too sooner than later. There's not much to be excited about Formula E.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Obviously Russia will be cut, but they’ll rotate some of the European races (France and Germany most likely) and i expect Imola to be cut or rotated from 2023 as they don’t need two races in Italy.

I expect noise around Monaco to start in the next few months as they don’t have a contract for a race next year.

They will never drop Monaco, will they ! No its unthinkable, is it ?
Personally I dont think they ever will.

 

[oates]

They will never drop Monaco, will they ! No its unthinkable, is it ?
Personally I dont think they ever will.

I'd absolutely love it if they did. I can barely stand to watch it anymore but I know @Sassy Colin would be heartbroken if it was stopped.

Mind, going to maybe be a fair few Russians parked up in the marina next few years. Their boats might be (for sale even) but their money might not be around.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

I'd absolutely love it if they did. I can barely stand to watch it anymore but I know @Sassy Colin would be heartbroken if it was stopped.

Mind, going to maybe be a fair few Russians parked up in the marina next few years. Their boats might be (for sale even) but their money might not be around.

I dont love Monaco, but I would be sad to see it end.
Monaco is F1 , it is the blue ribbon race, the race every driver wants to win.

 

[oates]

I dont love Monaco, but I would be sad to see it end.
Monaco is F1 , it is the blue ribbon race, the race every driver wants to win.

It was I feel, glamorous as such. Expensive, but I've never been. I think these days the drivers are more pragmatic and see it as a hard race - much higher degree of concentration needed I would have thought plus they must know there are only ever going to be a handful of winners.

I'm sure it means more to some than it doesn't for me. There's tracks I'd love to see back though.

 

[Zlaatan]

They will never drop Monaco. It's about as plausible as FIFA dropping the World Cup.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

It was I feel, glamorous as such. Expensive, but I've never been. I think these days the drivers are more pragmatic and see it as a hard race - much higher degree of concentration needed I would have thought plus they must know there are only ever going to be a handful of winners.

I'm sure it means more to some than it doesn't for me. There's tracks I'd love to see back though.

I can see where your coming from.
The best Monaco races are in the rain.

 

[oates]

They will never drop Monaco. It's about as plausible as FIFA dropping the World Cup.

Well we can't be sure either of those will definitely be true but I agree, Monaco is an important date each year.

 

[Zarlak]

I would love to see Monaco cut, it's a garbage race. Sometimes the best qualifying of the year followed by a 75 lap parade. But agree it will never happen. I would also love to see Paul Ricard cut.

 

[altodevil]

Monaco shouldn't be cut, it's steeped in history ffs. One tight, bad street race out of 20 isn't a problem. It's all these brand new tracks that have been badly designed that are the issue.

 

[Zarlak]

Monaco shouldn't be cut, it's steeped in history ffs. One tight, bad street race out of 20 isn't a problem. It's all these brand new tracks that have been badly designed that are the issue.

There are several races on the calendar that are bad, Monaco is just one of them. If they're not being cut, they should instead be improved. Nothing should get a free pass just because it's been around for a while that's terrible reasoning. Even though it's the way it will unfortunately absolutely go. The calendar should constantly be fresh and exciting not snooze inducing.

 

[F-Red]

Monaco shouldn't be cut, it's steeped in history ffs. One tight, bad street race out of 20 isn't a problem. It's all these brand new tracks that have been badly designed that are the issue.

Monaco pay the least out of all the promoters and the experience for the fans isn't optimal. The difference with other races is that in the new markets of the Far East and the USA that their versions of Monaco (Singapore & Las Vegas respectively) will return more for Liberty. The latter especially as Liberty are promoting the Las Vegas Grand Prix themselves.

Whilst it has the history, I don't think many would be that disappointed with it not being on the calendar. However part of me thinks that we'll hear more of this in the news as we get towards this years Grand Prix to put a rocket up the promoters in the discussion for an improved contract fee for Liberty.

 

[Sassy Colin]

I'd absolutely love it if they did. I can barely stand to watch it anymore but I know @Sassy Colin would be heartbroken if it was stopped.

Mind, going to maybe be a fair few Russians parked up in the marina next few years. Their boats might be (for sale even) but their money might not be around.

As a spectacle, it's a special race venue, but as a motor racing circuit, yes, it's a bit rubbish.

It's pretty iconic walking round the circuit though and it would be a shame if it wasn't on the calendar. After all, it's only 1 race out of 20 odd.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Monaco pay the least out of all the promoters and the experience for the fans isn't optimal. The difference with other races is that in the new markets of the Far East and the USA that their versions of Monaco (Singapore & Las Vegas respectively) will return more for Liberty. The latter especially as Liberty are promoting the Las Vegas Grand Prix themselves.

Whilst it has the history, I don't think many would be that disappointed with it not being on the calendar. However part of me thinks that we'll hear more of this in the news as we get towards this years Grand Prix to put a rocket up the promoters in the discussion for an improved contract fee for Liberty.

I think you might be wrong there.
Monaco has always been the highlight of the season.
Where has I agree history is not always the best reason to keep something, this is the exception.
Being part of the Motorsport Triple crown is a draw for the drivers, only one has done it Graham Hill, Alonso is the closest of the current driver, with Monaco and Le Mans under his belt.

 

[dinostar77]

Monaco pay the least out of all the promoters and the experience for the fans isn't optimal. The difference with other races is that in the new markets of the Far East and the USA that their versions of Monaco (Singapore & Las Vegas respectively) will return more for Liberty. The latter especially as Liberty are promoting the Las Vegas Grand Prix themselves.

Whilst it has the history, I don't think many would be that disappointed with it not being on the calendar. However part of me thinks that we'll hear more of this in the news as we get towards this years Grand Prix to put a rocket up the promoters in the discussion for an improved contract fee for Liberty.

As a F1 fan, i hate monaco, dull as dishwater to watch. I can see why drivers like it though.

About time Monaco paid a race fee like every other circuit, the days of bernie under charging monaco should be over. Pay up like every other circuit.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Here is a blast from the past, 1981 Las Vegas GP

What struck me was the almost total lack of safety, the pit lane was inches away from the crowd, the pit cree had no safety gear on , not even gloves.
Some parts of the track, if there had been a big crash the cars would have been in the crowd.
The track was appalling, not even the voice of Murray could make it sound exciting.
Tambay's accident (or the aftermath anyway) looks proper scary with the front of the car completely disintegrating!

 

[christy87]

I think you might be wrong there.
Monaco has always been the highlight of the season.
Where has I agree history is not always the best reason to keep something, this is the exception.
Being part of the Motorsport Triple crown is a draw for the drivers, only one has done it Graham Hill, Alonso is the closest of the current driver, with Monaco and Le Mans under his belt.

This, if F1 lost Monaco it would lose part of its self. It is the crown jewel in the F1 racing calendar, it may have got a bit more boring as the years have gone by, but you will still tune in and watch it.
Also I think this year's race will be interesting as the cars seem harder to control.

 

[V.O.]

Here is a blast from the past, 1981 Las Vegas GP

What struck me was the almost total lack of safety, the pit lane was inches away from the crowd, the pit cree had no safety gear on , not even gloves.
Some parts of the track, if there had been a big crash the cars would have been in the crowd.
The track was appalling, not even the voice of Murray could make it sound exciting.
Tambay's accident (or the aftermath anyway) looks proper scary with the front of the car completely disintegrating!

Impressive that the layout even manages to look boring:

Literally just two near-identical sections and a loop back around.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Not much improved in 1982 , there was a few more fences and straw bales.
There is a couple of corners, where if the drive has misjudged it , the car would have been in the crowd.
The 80's were a scary time for F1
This clip has the icon music and Walker and Hunt with the commentary.

 

[The Firestarter]

Impressive that the layout even manages to look boring:

Literally just two near-identical sections and a loop back around.

Seriously... I'd design a batter track by doodling in a boring algebra class...

 

[MarylandMUFan]

Not much improved in 1982 , there was a few more fences and straw bales.
There is a couple of corners, where if the drive has misjudged it , the car would have been in the crowd.
The 80's were a scary time for F1
This clip has the icon music and Walker and Hunt with the commentary.

Only benefit to that track is, as an in-person spectator, you can view the entire track.

 

[dinostar77]

This, if F1 lost Monaco it would lose part of its self. It is the crown jewel in the F1 racing calendar, it may have got a bit more boring as the years have gone by, but you will still tune in and watch it.
Also I think this year's race will be interesting as the cars seem harder to control.

Monaco GP has more viewers for qualifying than the actual race for a number of years. If it wasn't on the calender would we really miss it? There are plenty of street circuits on the calender now, Singapore is a better street circuit than monaco. Monaco is about "glitz and glamour" and all that pretentious superficial stuff. Racing is secondary.

 

[oates]

Not much improved in 1982 , there was a few more fences and straw bales.
There is a couple of corners, where if the drive has misjudged it , the car would have been in the crowd.
The 80's were a scary time for F1
This clip has the icon music and Walker and Hunt with the commentary.

Takes you back. Great teams such as Ken Tyrrell, dead 20plus years now.

 

[Pexbo]

Impressive that the layout even manages to look boring:

Literally just two near-identical sections and a loop back around.

From the country that is obsessed with this:

…I’d say that’s positively complex and exciting.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

This, if F1 lost Monaco it would lose part of its self. It is the crown jewel in the F1 racing calendar, it may have got a bit more boring as the years have gone by, but you will still tune in and watch it.
Also I think this year's race will be interesting as the cars seem harder to control.

Someone's been taken in by the F1 marketing speak.

Overall all though, I agree, Monaco needs to stay, it has pros and cons, but Monaco is something different to the other tracks.