Time wasting is already a big problem in football compared to say tennis or cricket. Teams would use them tactically to time waste, slow the game down or take a breather.
Did they really have that many chances? My main memory of it is Pep sitting there doing feck-all despite all the talent on his bench
Must be my paranoia of the Liverpool quadruple affecting my perception 
What I like about you is the fact that you have more skin in this game than the United fans (Liverpool are chasing you for the title) and you don't resort to conspiracy theory to downplay their results.
Agreed. Too many scousers on here.
Maybe this is something big teams get. We know that it is easier to give penalty to Liverpool compared to Everton. As it was to give penalty to us in 90’s compared to Sheffield W.
Hmm this has it as 19, but thought it was quite a few moreDid they really have that many chances? My main memory of it is Pep sitting there doing feck-all despite all the talent on his bench
Only one really, the Dumb one. Rest are decent.
You're making this out to be a bigger issue than it is.
Definite dropped points in one of them. Probably Villa what with Gerrard etc.
How do they not see that they're creating an incentive to go down dramatically here? It's an absolute joke, not to mention that the laws of the game do not mention a single thing about the outcome of a slap. You're going to have to direct me to the passage in the laws of the game that says that the punishment varies depending on whether a player goes down or not.
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And it would just increase the ways to waste time and we literally have VAR to avoid this. We don't need both.
We have an extremely flawed version of VAR that just leads to even more frustration and grievances as there is a lack of honesty in how it's applied and the bar is arbitrarily and differently applied towards the two teams competing in a game.
I don't know where it is but if thats what they said its likely true. Maybe they made it up on the spot but I'd doubt it. Basically refereeing needs to come down to common sense. Did the ball hit a hand? Handball. Did one guy put his hand in the others face intentionally? Red Card. And lose all the minute nonsense thats ruining the game.
The only thing I can think of is the passage that says that contact with the face may not warrant a red if the force is "negligible". However, to judge a slap, or eye-poke, or punch, and whether the force of it is negligible on whether a fit athlete loses the ability to stand up is absolute nonsense that they've definitely pulled out their arses. A slap can be of non-negligible force and still have the player remain standing, as would normally be the case. I mean, look at Will Smith's slap at the Oscars. You wouldn't call that "negligible force", but it didn't send Chris Rock to the floor.
You do realize a team can challenge and VAR not overturn the decision right? The rules should just be clearer. There is no need for it in football when officials are already looking at each decision.
That's absolutely mental. It sounds like a cop out though just because they fecked up and didnt act. So instead of admitting their mistake, they're just coming up with worse excuses
That seems likely , the idea that negligible is determined by if the guy hits the ground or not is indeed stupid, maybe someone messed up their explanation but if that's the excuse you are spot on.
The only issue that should matter when a player pushes a finger into another player’s face is intent. If it’s possibly accidental (or there’s reasonable doubt) then that’s fine. When there’s absolutely no doubt that someone chose to thrust their hand/finger into another player’s face then the decision is extremely simple. Yet somehow, thanks to VAR, no decisions are simple any more.
Nope even Klopper in here said Liverpool had the rub of the green with the ref today. While I think Evertons tactics would have eventually seen Liverpool score, if the were playing 11 v 10 and with a pen, the outcome may have been different, especially when Diaz came on for the man who should have seen red and changed the game.
I don't think you will get an unbiased response here either.
Agree with this.
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What in my post suggests that I do not realise that a challenge can be lost or wasted on a non-overturned call? At no point have I suggested that the challenges would be infinite.
Today isn’t the best example but are there many instances in that run of games where we should’ve conceded a penalty but didn’t?
Completely agreed. We're pretty much in agreement that hands have no business being in other players' faces, yet we can't even enforce such a simple thing with video evidence and multiple angles because now we have to judge whether the player has reacted appropriately to it too, despite the rules saying nothing about the reaction.
Aye, get rid.
Where do you want your statue Divock Origi?!
Would have to have a look but the fact it is almost double the next side is a bit dodgy.
Yeah, exactly. All this bollox about how the game was being ruined by controversial decisions and this was the solution. And it was completely inevitable too. Which everyone knew who had ever watched MOTD and saw ex pros watch the same slo mo replays dozens of times and come to opposite conclusions.
That is the flaw of VAR. It’s subjective to whomever is controlling it. I wouldn’t have issues with VAR if it was used like instant replay in the States where only calls that are not subjective are called(out of bounds, possession of ball ect..) There are no fouls called in instant replay so whoever originally set the ground rules for VAR got it wrong. It should be for boundaries ie: in or out of the box,offsides, and handballs and not be used to see if it’s an actual foul committed. The genie is out of the box and everyone wanted it and this is what you get, more misery. I could live with the outrageous calls before VAR. You know why? They were forgotten about by the next match. Not anymore.
Why is it a joke? United went a decade or so not conceding a penalty at Old Trafford from 90s into early 00s. Mainly because they controlled football matches and offered few opportunities for opponents to win penalties.
