True. £20-40 million for Lingard is far too much. But now he's swanning off into the sunset to a fat signing-on fee with Newcastle or whoever and our financial geniuses are left empty-handed. Now we're destined to take a bath on Pogba and whoever else is shown the door. I think they must grow magic money trees in Florida.Not disputing, but the comment I was responding claimed we'd get 20-40 for him. Not a chance that was ever happening.
Not really, these guys leveraged their contractual position. Which is their right, but there ain't a whole lot to be done when you've got an agent in their ear dangling a signing on fee. We can't magic them out of the club.True. £20-40 million for Lingard is far too much. But now he's swanning off into the sunset to a fat signing-on fee with Newcastle or whoever and our financial geniuses are left empty-handed. Now we're destined to take a bath on Pogba and whoever else is shown the door. I think they must grow magic money trees in Florida.
At West Ham he showed he could do more than just running around. Utd just isn't the right club for him.But you need more than just running around to be an attacker for Utd.
Yes, too many of our players are fecking lazy and need to go, but at the same time we also need quality and just because Lingard presses more than the others doesn't mean he's anywhere close to good enough.
He had a purple patch of a couple of months about fecking 5 years ago. That's it, other than those 9 or 10 weeks he's not looked good enough in his entire Utd career.
Desperate for him to finally leave.
Yeah. I read that after I posted.Weren't West Ham only offering £10 million?
I remember it was 15mil, Caf wanted 25 at least. Should have just taken it.Weren't West Ham only offering £10 million?
When will the mental gymnastics end? Always blaming the player. There are enough video evidence and quotes from both Ole and Moyes proving that Ole wanted him to stay and promised him a bigger role. Moyes didn't even bother with a serious bid after talking to Ole and finding out his plans for Lingard.According to Moyes they never made an offer at all and if they had I doubt they even would have gone that high. Initially West Ham and United did the usual pre negotiation dance of we might sign him but we don't need him and we might sell him but we don't want to which was just bluff trying to establish some leverage. Jesse then proceeded to make it clear he wanted to stay and "fight for his place" even though at that point he was going to be returning to a side that didn't give him a minute in the PL the previous season and had just signed another attacker in Sancho. It was fairly obvious then that Jesse had made his mind up to run down his contract and that was confirmed when Ed pulled his usual extend to retain the value move in September and Jesse turned him down flat. Cannot blame him for looking out for himself but the reason he was not sold last summer and again in January starts and ends with Jesse.
If you have any understanding of how negotiations work then you will understand that we were not going to say to West Ham please come and take him and equally they were not going to open the discussions by saying that he was their top priority. It was perfectly clear a deal was there to be struck but Jesse wanted to stay, he could have submitted a transfer request but did not do so even though any halfwit could have seen he had no role in the team here.When will the mental gymnastics end? Always blaming the player. There are enough video evidence and quotes from both Ole and Moyes proving that Ole wanted him to stay and promised him a bigger role. Moyes didn't even bother with a serious bid after talking to Ole and finding out his plans for Lingard.
We agreed a fee for a permanent transfer with Newcastle and he turned it down because he wanted to be a free agent at the end of the season. He wanted the loan to put himself in the shop window but frankly just as I don't blame him for looking after number one I also don't blame the club for not bending over to accommodate his wishes.There is also plenty of evidence of the player wanting out, in fact the Caf keeps slagging Lingard as a West Ham supporter for constantly liking West Ham posts and whining about not playing. He also asked to go to Newcastle for a loan fee which we tried to extort Newcastle for with a relegation avoidance clause.
Im sure he will, but it will sum up why he should have not been a part of our club for the past 7 years.I'm willing to bet once his contract with the club ends, he'll spill his guts in the red tops.
If you have any understanding of how negotiations work then you will understand that we were not going to say to West Ham please come and take him and equally they were not going to open the discussions by saying that he was their top priority. It was perfectly clear a deal was there to be struck but Jesse wanted to stay, he could have submitted a transfer request but did not do so even though any halfwit could have seen he had no role in the team here.
We agreed a fee for a permanent transfer with Newcastle and he turned it down because he wanted to be a free agent at the end of the season. He wanted the loan to put himself in the shop window but frankly just as I don't blame him for looking after number one I also don't blame the club for not bending over to accommodate his wishes.
Not making anything up, this is one of a number of threads around it if you want to go back and research what went on in the window, I am not going to do all of the work for you though unless you want to start paying me. On the subject of making things up, can you please point to where I have slated Jesse for being a media leak? I have not condemned Jesse for his actions I am just stating the fact that both last summer and again in January he could have forced his way out if he wanted to but he chose not to and so it is laughable that the player and his supporters are now whining about how badly he has been treated. He wanted to have his cake and eat it and these are the consequences when if he had just been mature enough to admit he was done here and West Ham was his best choice he would be playing in a European semi final this week and possibly back in the England squad.Sure, Lingard has never submitted a transfer request despite meeting up with Ole and Ralf to talk about a transfer. He even goes to the media to tell everyone he wants a transfer which then you slate him for being a media leak.
You are making things up now. There is no permanent deal with Newcastle. Everything was agreed, we were just greedy bitches wanting to squeeze more money from Newcastle. Now that it has backfired on us, you want to place all the blame on the players. How professional eh?
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In a nutshell you`ve provided the actual situation with Jesse. I`ve always liked him and his off-field antics were mild compared to the footballers with bad attitudes and behaviour for real. I haven`t seen games of his where he didn`t give a damn, in fact as we know his work-rate is one of the reasons he has done well on loan and one of the reasons he was valued by previous managers such as Ole.Just admit you got this wrong and are being unfair to Lingard. There is no need to defend our piss poor management and organisation. Fact is he is easily moved on snd valued by other teams, he is better than what the haters give him credit for, but for whatever reason we can't get the best out of him and make him seem like a cancer.
Just admit you got this wrong and are being unfair to Lingard. There is no need to defend our piss poor management and organisation. Fact is he is easily moved on snd valued by other teams, he is better than what the haters give him credit for, but for whatever reason we can't get the best out of him and make him seem like a cancer.
Piss poor management and a mediocre player who is a bad influence are not mutually exclusive.Just admit you got this wrong and are being unfair to Lingard. There is no need to defend our piss poor management and organisation. Fact is he is easily moved on snd valued by other teams, he is better than what the haters give him credit for, but for whatever reason we can't get the best out of him and make him seem like a cancer.
I'm glad he didn't get it. How can a player who posts pictures of himself in a west ham kit still be allowed to be here?No farewell sub?
If reports are to believed, he's going to get another chanceI'm glad he didn't get it. How can a player who posts pictures of himself in a west ham kit still be allowed to be here?
Is it though? It could as easily be Rangnick deciding to not play him for the remaining games.Fact he didn’t get on the pitch today is worrying.
How come?Fact he didn’t get on the pitch today is worrying.
That's the sun's nonsense. He's done hereIf reports are to believed, he's going to get another chance
I hope so. Don't want to see him in a united shirt again.That's the sun's nonsense. He's done here
I see it more as punishment.Fact he didn’t get on the pitch today is worrying.
My thoughts exactly.Fact he didn’t get on the pitch today is worrying.
If Rangnick thought he was leaving why would he not put him on the pitch at some point tonight. As a sub or starter.Is it though? It could as easily be Rangnick deciding to not play him for the remaining games.
You would hope that after he told Scholes that things were a shit show, and then he was missing for 'personal reasons' against Chelsea would suggest he won't feature againFact he didn’t get on the pitch today is worrying.
SameI see it more as punishment.
He can't wait that long based on his chat with Scholes.I'm willing to bet once his contract with the club ends, he'll spill his guts in the red tops.
Exactly. The constant leaks from the dressing room is infuriating. At first, I dismissed it as journalists fiction but we must have the leakiest bunch of players in the PL (on the pitch and off).Im sure he will, but it will sum up why he should have not been a part of our club for the past 7 years.
Apparently Ragnick was asked about morale and he said something like "ask Lingard" referencing Scholes' comment so maybe he isn't playing him out of spite. Which is fine by me.You would hope that after he told Scholes that things were a shit show, and then he was missing for 'personal reasons' against Chelsea would suggest he won't feature again
For sure, let's be honest, the amount of shit he's done over the years on social media and leaking stuff to the press he should have known it would come back to bite him in the arse one dayApparently Ragnick was asked about morale and he said something like "ask Lingard" referencing Scholes' comment so maybe he isn't playing him out of spite. Which is fine by me.
F**k him, he deserves nothing.Poor guy, didn't get his OT sending off
Just admit you got this wrong and are being unfair to Lingard. There is no need to defend our piss poor management and organisation. Fact is he is easily moved on snd valued by other teams, he is better than what the haters give him credit for, but for whatever reason we can't get the best out of him and make him seem like a cancer.
I think the one's that have been professional and have tried to do what the manager has asked of them but physically can't do it anymore got their send off's. The toxic cnuts who've been talking to the press and causing issues haven't and won't.They were all given their send offs tonight apart from Lingard. Does make you wonder …..
Rangnick has restrained himself, if keane was in charge criminal charges would be getting drawn up as we speak.If Rangnick thought he was leaving why would he not put him on the pitch at some point tonight. As a sub or starter.
If Lingard really is leaving then Rangnick must hate him.