Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp | Depp wins on all 3 counts

[shamans]

What misinformation, man? Have you even bothered to listen to the recordings? They're even more damning for Heard than those shown in the trial. Furthermore, Amber Heard actually has history of domestic abuse while Johnny Depp doesn't. Pretty fecking weird that a guy in his 50's would suddenly turn violent despite women in his other relationships suggesting the exact opposite.

It's also pretty weird how much you support Amber despite the only thing you have going on for in her case is her word and her word alone. There is nothing and nobody that can collaborate that Johnny did those things to her and a plethora of evidence to the contrary.

You just proved my point. She doesn't have a history of domestic abuse. The one incident against Tasya Van Ree that is often referred to has been debunked. According to her ex Tasya herself, it was rooted in the homophobic and misogynistic attitudes towards them as a couple: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...e-domestic-violence-allegations-a7072126.html

The only thing I have going on for her is not "her word and her word alone". And there is not not nothing that "nobody" can corroborate. Here is just one example:

Johnny’s personal bodyguard asks Josh Drew (Amber’s neighbor): “is she ok?” Josh: Are you fecking kidding me? He beat the shit out of her again, and you guys stood by and watched it” Jerry: “Its not my business. It’s between husband and wife. He barely touched her.”

It's page 192 in the high court document here: https://inforrm.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Defs-Closing.pdf and his testimony starts at page 147

These are clear examples of misinformation.

About Johnny Depp not being violent towards women, that's debatable. I think he clearly has a history of agression but there is no proof he has actually hit anyone. That said there are two specific cases that may hold some value.

Ellen Barkin testified "there was always an air of violence around him" a "controlling and jealous man" and that he threw a wine bottle at her. (the direction in which he threw it depends on who you believe. The judge said "a wine bottle had been thrown in her direction." in his judgement in the UK case but I couldn't find exact evidence of that.

Kate Moss: There used to be a lot of talk surrounding Depp hitting moss. He's had to deny it in past interviews as well. Kate Moss herself has stayed silent on the incident. There is so far no real evidence of this but we'll have to wait for this court case. It might get proved or debunked once and for all.

Anyway, ignoring the parts where I mention there is no evidence do you still believe there is no misinformation going around?

 

[One Night Only]

I think Amber Heard hired shamans as her lawyer. Practising on here before taking this stuff to court.

 

[Drainy]

If I remember correctly Josh Drew is Amber Heard's former best friend's boyfriend who was there when two sets of police walked through the apartment and checked in on Heard and saw nothing, during the alleged hoax so would have been part of the conspiracy to fake the scene after they left.

 

[Sviken]

You just proved my point. She doesn't have a history of domestic abuse. The one incident against Tasya Van Ree that is often referred to has been debunked. According to her ex Tasya herself, it was rooted in the homophobic and misogynistic attitudes towards them as a couple: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...e-domestic-violence-allegations-a7072126.html

She allegedly punched Ree at an international airport. This is why she was booked by the cops. Just because Tasya decided not to press charges doesn't mean she wasn't violent. And what Tasya said is absolute nonsense. The cops specifically booked Amber for "misdemeanor domestic violence" which would indicate it was a spat between them and nobody from outside.

Johnny’s personal bodyguard asks Josh Drew (Amber’s neighbor): “is she ok?” Josh: Are you fecking kidding me? He beat the shit out of her again, and you guys stood by and watched it” Jerry: “Its not my business. It’s between husband and wife. He barely touched her.”

It's page 192 in the high court document here: https://inforrm.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Defs-Closing.pdf and his testimony starts at page 147

Josh Drew is literally one of Amber's best friends. And Jerry quite clearly says "he barely touched her". So which one are we supposed to believe here? That Johnny depp almost murdered her or he barely lifted a finger? Because for some reason you seem to choose to believe one side.

Anyway, ignoring the parts where I mention there is no evidence do you still believe there is no misinformation going around?

You still haven't provided any evidence apart from "Johnny may have been violent" or something. Okay, whatever he MAY have been violent. But the fact of the matter is we have both of them on tape going for hours in which Amber not only repeatedly admits she punched him and always tries to start physical fights, but also on said tape her and Johnny both collaborate that his first reaction is to run away. We have evidence that she cut his finger off, regarldess of intentional or unintentional. We have Johnny blaming Amber on tape that she relishes conflict and Amber doesn't deny it. In fact, in one of those tapes (part of it played in court) Amber wants to have a "normal argument" while Johnny is begging to be let go so he can go away, but she doesn't allow him.

Are these the actions of an abuser? Really? Someone who actively tries to escape conflict in comparison to someone actively and somewhat desperately searching for some kind of a fight (whether a physical one or an emotional one).

 

[shamans]

I think Amber Heard hired shamans as her lawyer. Practising on here before taking this stuff to court.

Well she claimed Kate moss got pushed and I said there's no real evidence yet so I doubt I'd be hired for long

 

[One Night Only]

Well she claimed Kate moss got pushed and I said there's no real evidence yet so I doubt I'd be hired for long

her actual lawyer doesn't seem to be doing much better tbh.

 

[shamans]

She allegedly punched Ree at an international airport. This is why she was booked by the cops. Just because Tasya decided not to press charges doesn't mean she wasn't violent. And what Tasya said is absolute nonsense. The cops specifically booked Amber for "misdemeanor domestic violence" which would indicate it was a spat between them and nobody from outside.


Josh Drew is literally one of Amber's best friends. And Jerry quite clearly says "he barely touched her". So which one are we supposed to believe here? That Johnny depp almost murdered her or he barely lifted a finger? Because for some reason you seem to choose to believe one side.




You still haven't provided any evidence apart from "Johnny may have been violent" or something. Okay, whatever he MAY have been violent. But the fact of the matter is we have both of them on tape going for hours in which Amber not only repeatedly admits she punched him and always tries to start physical fights, but also on said tape her and Johnny both collaborate that his first reaction is to run away. We have evidence that she cut his finger off, regarldess of intentional or unintentional. We have Johnny blaming Amber on tape that she relishes conflict and Amber doesn't deny it. In fact, in one of those tapes (part of it played in court) Amber wants to have a "normal argument" while Johnny is begging to be let go so he can go away, but she doesn't allow him.

Are these the actions of an abuser? Really? Someone who actively tries to escape conflict in comparison to someone actively and somewhat desperately searching for some kind of a fight (whether a physical one or an emotional one).

Tasya didn't decide to not press charges. She has said several times how ridiculous this story is. She has gone out of her way to talk about it. If you're set on believing something happened, no one can convince you otherwise but that's as solid as evidence can be.

So are you saying Josh Drew lied? For weeks we've been hearing about what Johnny Depp's assistants have said but in this case we have to chuck it out? Read the document all the way. There is a reason this was seen a substantial example of violence by 3 judges in UK.

If you are set on believing one persons story over another then I can't convince you. I am presenting you another side thats pretty convincing to me.

 

[Sviken]

Tasya didn't decide to not press charges. She has said several times how ridiculous this story is. She has gone out of her way to talk about it. If you're set on believing something happened, no one can convince you otherwise but that's as solid as evidence can be.

Just because Tasya decided not to press charges doesn't mean she wasn't punched. Amber Heard wouldn't be booked for domestic abuse just for shits and giggles.

So are you saying Josh Drew lied? For weeks we've been hearing about what Johnny Depp's assistants have said but in this case we have to chuck it out? Read the document all the way. There is a reason this was seen a substantial example of violence by 3 judges in UK.

Absolutely he lied. As @Drainy said, I think that was the day when the supposed incident happened and three cops came there. All testified that Amber hadn't had a lick on her face and didn't identify her as a victim of domestic abuse.

If you are set on believing one persons story over another then I can't convince you. I am presenting you another side thats pretty convincing to me.

I am in absolute agreement that we should discount Johnny's workers or friends like Isaac as credible witnesses, as well. But unlike Amber those are not the only witnesses Johnny has that disprove Amber. Alejandro, who doesn't work or gets paid from Johnny, also disproved Amber. Amber's former manager who was never employed by Depp and the police themselves disproved her claims. Unless you're willing to go down the line that somehow all of those people are brought by Johnny Depp, then I think it's pretty clear who to believe. There is not a single outside face that can collaborate her statements, it's just her friends. Johnny also has his friends, that's true, but there are also other outside faces that also collaborate his story. So I think it's pretty clear who might actually be telling the truth here, especially given that Amber's story of these assaults don't exactly match with the timeline. For example, the talk show episode. Prior to that day she was viciously beaten by Johnny for minutes. Yet in that appearance she has zero visible bruising or marks on her face or anywhere. Unless that makeup is quite literally magic, that's impossible to have happened even remotely the way she described. And if she is lying about that, then that's a bad precedent set.

 

[MichaelRed]

Nothing about the way she behaves endears herself to me at all either, and I don't doubt for a second she has spent a lot of time antagonising and abusing Depp. That doesn't mean I don't believe Depp is also a domestic abuse perpetrator, nor do I think it exonerates him or justifies his alleged behaviour in their relationship. I don't understand why some people in this thread can't acknowledge that they both sound like thoroughly shitty people?

Nobody is saying Depp is husband & father of the year. There's a huge gap between being a bit shitty & raping someone with a glass bottle. The problem people have isn't in being told Depp isn't the perfect human, it's in being told the most disgusting & damaging of lie after lie.

In an article where the alleged perpetrator was not named?

You are not Depp, you are (I assume) not related to him. Why are you so bent out of shape over this? Depp is actively trying to get his own back and ruin her career over this too. Is that OK?

Honestly, seeing comments like this from the 2-man Amber Heard echo chamber go to show just how brainwashed her backers are. Everyone knew the article was about Depp, unless she had another husband? Everyone spoke about it as if it was about Depp at the time and guess what, the ACLU themselves said it was about Depp. Amber was even desperate to get in more personal digs at Depp for the article & they had to cut back on them because of how much of a hitpiece she was making it but sure, let's just trott out the "We don't even know who that article was about" crap. The 2nd highlighted point is again, more Amber Heard delusion. He's not actively trying to ruin her career, he's trying to restore his own reputation and her being ruined is a byproduct of that because if he is to be believed that means that she has to have lied, both cannot be true. To act like he's just targeting her for revenge is insane.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

It's meant to reiterate what I'm saying -- Depp acts weird in courtroom or outside of it and it's all cool but when she does it there is body language analysis.

Is it because he’s acting like a drug addict/alcoholic, and she’s acting like someone lying that might color opinions?

 

[That'sHernandez]

Nobody is saying Depp is husband & father of the year. There's a huge gap between being a bit shitty & raping someone with a glass bottle. The problem people have isn't in being told Depp isn't the perfect human, it's in being told the most disgusting & damaging of lie after lie.


Honestly, seeing comments like this from the 2-man Amber Heard echo chamber go to show just how brainwashed her backers are. Everyone knew the article was about Depp, unless she had another husband? Everyone spoke about it as if it was about Depp at the time and guess what, the ACLU themselves said it was about Depp. Amber was even desperate to get in more personal digs at Depp for the article & they had to cut back on them because of how much of a hitpiece she was making it but sure, let's just trott out the "We don't even know who that article was about" crap. The 2nd highlighted point is again, more Amber Heard delusion. He's not actively trying to ruin her career, he's trying to restore his own reputation and her being ruined is a byproduct of that because if he is to be believed that means that she has to have lied, both cannot be true. To act like he's just targeting her for revenge is insane.

You’re conflating calling out your blatant misogyny with defending Amber Heard and her domestic abuse.

 

[KirkDuyt]

Wait, this is the new Messi vs Ronaldo thread isn't it?

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Wait, this is the new Messi vs Ronaldo thread isn't it?

I know someone heavily invested in this. She calls Heard 'Scamber Turd'. She's 40 years old.

 

[Moby]

I know someone heavily invested in this. She calls Heard 'Scamber Turd'. She's 40 years old.

 

[Drainy]

I know someone heavily invested in this. She calls Heard 'Scamber Turd'. She's 40 years old.

 

[RacingClub]

You’re conflating calling out your blatant misogyny

Where has he been "blatantly misogynistic"?

For sure he's pro Depp but that doesnt mean he's Anti Woman?

I'm not denying that he has but I haven't seen it?

 

[MichaelRed]

Where has he been "blatantly misogynistic"?

For sure he's pro Depp but that doesnt mean he's Anti Woman?

I'm not denying that he has but I haven't seen it?

He's conflating hating one woman with hating all women. It's fine, leave him to it.

 

[B20]

Lots of people seem to be appropriating the case as a proxy for gender wars. Some more knowingly than others.

It's an interesting thing for me, I find myself asking "where would my bias go?" despite not really being all that bothered about what two seemingly not-nice people are saying about each other. Sitting on the outside with just the surface story filtering through, I find myself more drawn to the narrative that Depp is just a poor ill behaved druggie and Heard a violent and pathological liar and that the two besides the violence have both been awful to each other. But it's all bullshit of course. That's just the narrative that floats my way when I casually peruse the situation.

But of course there's all sorts of implications, imaginary and real, at stake about gender issues. Will women now be more easily discredited in these case if Heard loses? Will men be less able to be vindicated when falsely accused if Heard wins? If there is something wrong with modern society it is how individual cases become proxies for these cultural struggles.

In terms of the public debate, it probably helps if they stalemate each other on being awful people to each other.

 

[MichaelRed]

Lots of people seem to be appropriating the case as a proxy for gender wars. Some more knowingly than others.

It's an interesting thing for me, I find myself asking "where would my bias go?" despite not really being all that bothered about what two seemingly not-nice people are saying about each other. Sitting on the outside with just the surface story filtering through, I find myself more drawn to the narrative that Depp is just a poor ill behaved druggie and Heard a violent and pathological liar and that the two besides the violence have both been awful to each other. But it's all bullshit of course. That's just the narrative that floats my way when I casually peruse the situation.

But of course there's all sorts of implications, imaginary and real, at stake about gender issues. Will women now be more easily discredited in these case if Heard loses? Will men be less able to be vindicated when falsely accused if Heard wins? If there is something wrong with modern society it is how individual cases become proxies for these cultural struggles.

In terms of the public debate, it probably helps if they stalemate each other on being awful people to each other.

This is the stuff that has a lot of people so passionate about this. She has already set women back years in terms of believability & the people most disgusted with her seem to be female DV & SA survivors. There has long been a problem of men not being allowed to be victims of these things & men often feel like they should "man up" and not show emotion etc but that has also been an area where progress has been made in recent years but this is a really important moment in that regard. If Johnny Depp, with all his resources, his expensive legal team & the absolute gift of Amber creating a catalogue of evidence against herself. If he can go into this case with testimony from every man and their dog supporting him, police officers with body cams, the concierge, the audio tapes, the pictures, everything & still not end up winning against her "I know I've been caught lying a thousand times and all the evidence goes directly against my testimony but just trust me", then what hope is there for any male victim? He has the most winnable case imaginable & the fact most expect he still won't win is telling. It'll set men back in general & be another blow to women because people will be aware that once you automatically trust a woman's accusation, it seems like there's no going back despite what evidence may appear later on.

 

[B20]

This is the stuff that has a lot of people so passionate about this. She has already set women back years in terms of believability & the people most disgusted with her seem to be female DV & SA survivors. There has long been a problem of men not being allowed to be victims of these things & men often feel like they should "man up" and not show emotion etc but that has also been an area where progress has been made in recent years but this is a really important moment in that regard. If Johnny Depp, with all his resources, his expensive legal team & the absolute gift of Amber creating a catalogue of evidence against herself. If he can go into this case with testimony from every man and their dog supporting him, police officers with body cams, the concierge, the audio tapes, the pictures, everything & still not end up winning against her "I know I've been caught lying a thousand times and all the evidence goes directly against my testimony but just trust me", then what hope is there for any male victim? He has the most winnable case imaginable & the fact most expect he still won't win is telling. It'll set men back in general & be another blow to women because people will be aware that once you automatically trust a woman's accusation, it seems like there's no going back despite what evidence may appear later on.

I saw this headline today:

Jennifer O’Connell: Filleting of Amber Heard too late to be a cautionary tale
What hope has any alleged victim when highest court in US has declared that women are not to be trusted?

Which is the kind of bullshit I am talking about - The acts of an individual is appropriated as a proxy for the entire gender. I don't think female advocates realise how they are harming their own cause by making these kind of equivalences.

And then you have comments like this from Bill Burr:

“I’m too big a Johnny Depp fan to watch [the trial]. I love that guy and I just — I don’t want to hear all these personal details and shit,” Burr said. “From what I’ve seen the guy is fecking destroying. And what’s great about this, is if he really does expose this woman for lying."

Turning it into some sort of sports spectacle where you pick your team and root for them.

It's telling how few op-eds there are championing truth, justice, impartiality and the minefields of navigating "he said, she said" for a court of law. These instead become weaponised for other subtexts in the case, when they are not wholly cast aside for these instead.

 

[NotThatSoph]

Where has he been "blatantly misogynistic"?

For sure he's pro Depp but that doesnt mean he's Anti Woman?

I'm not denying that he has but I haven't seen it?

I think when you're making unhinged claims, like how it's not possible to break your nose without having black eyes for several weeks afterwards, then it's fair to wonder if there's something else going on than just being a megafan of Depp.

 

[RacingClub]

I think when you're making unhinged claims, like how it's not possible to break your nose without having black eyes for several weeks afterwards, then it's fair to wonder if there's something else going on than just being a megafan of Depp.

But it isn't possible that he just doesn't believe the claim? Or the evidence (or lack thereof) around it?

Isn't it equally possible that he is so invested because he has been wrongly accused of domestic violence in the past or something?

I don't look at his posts and see misogyny personally (unless we are all just agreeing that the only way that someone could dislike Heard is because they are misogynistic) so I'm wondering which ones were misogynistic.

 

[MichaelRed]

I think when you're making unhinged claims, like how it's not possible to break your nose without having black eyes for several weeks afterwards, then it's fair to wonder if there's something else going on than just being a megafan of Depp.

Unhinged? If you think you can have your nose broken by the blunt force trauma of a headbutt and not have bruising then you're the one that's unhinged. Even if you have your nose broken deliberately in a surgical environment you can't avoid swelling for at least a week, let alone having no swelling or bruising the next day. It's quite telling that the only people the argue against just come with nothing but baseless insults like calling people unhinged without addressing the post, just attacking the poster. Pathetic attempt.

 

[NotThatSoph]

But it isn't possible that he just doesn't believe the claim? Or the evidence (or lack thereof) around it?

Isn't it equally possible that he is so invested because he has been wrongly accused of domestic violence in the past or something?

I don't look at his posts and see misogyny personally so I'm wondering which ones were misogynistic.

It's not possible that he just doesn't believe the claim, because we have to account for all the crazy shit. Like believing that you cannot break your nose without having black eyes for several weeks. This isn't a thing normal people believe, this is a medical belief that has formed because he so desperately wants Heard to be lying (which she very well may be).

This extreme level of motivated reasoning has to come from somewhere, it doesn't just happen, but sure, it doesn't have to be misogyny.

 

[MichaelRed]

It's not possible that he just doesn't believe the claim, because we have to account for all the crazy shit. Like believing that you cannot break your nose without having black eyes for several weeks. This isn't a thing normal people believe, this is a medical belief that has formed because he so desperately wants Heard to be lying (which she very well may be).

This extreme level of motivated reasoning has to come from somewhere, it doesn't just happen, but sure, it doesn't have to be misogyny.

Damn you're right. I'm absolutely crazy. You can totally be headbutted so hard that it breaks your nose & doesn't cause bruising.

 

[kps88]

Damn you're right. I'm absolutely crazy. You can totally be headbutted so hard that it breaks your nose & doesn't cause bruising.

The certainty with which you keep saying this is really is crazy. I broke my nose a couple of years back and I did not roam around with black eyes for weeks. You've also had someone else on here who actually broke their nose multiple times tell you the same. And good makeup can most definitely cover up bruises.

 

[MichaelRed]

The certainty with which you keep saying this is really is crazy. I broke my nose a couple of years back and I did not roam around with black eyes for weeks. You've also had someone else on here who actually broke their nose multiple times tell you the same.

You're making it sound like I'm claiming any break. No, I'm talking about the context of this alleged situation. She claimed it was broken by a headbutt & yet had no bruising or swelling. It's literally not possible given that context.

 

[Tarrou]

You're making it sound like I'm claiming any break. No, I'm talking about the context of this alleged situation. She claimed it was broken by a headbutt & yet had no bruising or swelling. It's literally not possible given that context.

I mean, I'm sure it's possible. Just unlikely.

I think she's probably full of shit but this is a strange hill to die on

 

[Foxbatt]

I thought it is only Ole vs Ralf or Poch vs ETH. I guess the Cafe is crazy all over the place and not only on the football forums.

 

[MichaelRed]

I mean, I'm sure it's possible. Just unlikely.

I think she's probably full of shit but this is a strange hill to die on

If, for whatever reason someone was mad enough, they lined up 100 people and headbutted them to break their nose, do you really think a single one would walk away without a bruise? I'll admit, I don't think this experiment has ever happened but I feel like I can give a pretty good guess about the outcome. It's actually mindblowing that I'm treated as the lunatic for suggesting she'd be bruised after having her nose caved in with another person's skull. This place is wild.

 

[kps88]

You're making it sound like I'm claiming any break. No, I'm talking about the context of this alleged situation. She claimed it was broken by a headbutt & yet had no bruising or swelling. It's literally not possible given that context.

Based on what? Are you a doctor? Do you know the exact force of the headbutt? It's super weird that you can look at the pictures and claim this with 100% certainty.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

There’s a load of people piping in about their own broken nose experiences so here’s mine….

Playing for Cheshire schools back in the day when I was 16, I went heads with a scouse lad, and the sneaky fecker actually full on headbutted me. He got a red, and I a broken nose. It’s safe to say I had a proper swollen nose instantly, and bruising quickly followed.

I’m struggling to think how Michael is a lunatic for suggesting that a broken nose from a fecking head butt is likely to show signs of the attack.

 

[NotThatSoph]

I’m struggling to think how Michael is a lunatic for suggesting that a broken nose from a fecking head butt is likely to show signs of the attack.

No one has claimed dear Michael is a lunatic for suggesting that it's likely, so you don't have to keep struggling unless you want to.

 

[Denis79]

But it isn't possible that he just doesn't believe the claim? Or the evidence (or lack thereof) around it?

Isn't it equally possible that he is so invested because he has been wrongly accused of domestic violence in the past or something?

I don't look at his posts and see misogyny personally (unless we are all just agreeing that the only way that someone could dislike Heard is because they are misogynistic) so I'm wondering which ones were misogynistic.

Of course it isn't misogyny, They are just being dramatic like some women are. Bite!

 

[Cascarino]

There’s a load of people piping in about their own broken nose experiences so here’s mine….

Playing for Cheshire schools back in the day when I was 16, I went heads with a scouse lad, and the sneaky fecker actually full on headbutted me. He got a red, and I a broken nose. It’s safe to say I had a proper swollen nose instantly, and bruising quickly followed.

I’m struggling to think how Michael is a lunatic for suggesting that a broken nose from a fecking head butt is likely to show signs of the attack.

That's the point. Every reaction is different. No one is saying you can't get bruising and swelling.

 

[Smores]

How do we actually know she broke her nose anyway? Is that a doctor diagnosis or just her claiming it?

 

[Tarrou]

If, for whatever reason someone was mad enough, they lined up 100 people and headbutted them to break their nose, do you really think a single one would walk away without a bruise? I'll admit, I don't think this experiment has ever happened but I feel like I can give a pretty good guess about the outcome. It's actually mindblowing that I'm treated as the lunatic for suggesting she'd be bruised after having her nose caved in with another person's skull. This place is wild.

I don’t think you’re a lunatic

I just think you’re wrong to say something is definite when we just can’t know for certain

 

[kps88]

There’s a load of people piping in about their own broken nose experiences so here’s mine….

Playing for Cheshire schools back in the day when I was 16, I went heads with a scouse lad, and the sneaky fecker actually full on headbutted me. He got a red, and I a broken nose. It’s safe to say I had a proper swollen nose instantly, and bruising quickly followed.

I’m struggling to think how Michael is a lunatic for suggesting that a broken nose from a fecking head butt is likely to show signs of the attack.

It's more him looking at pictures of her injuries and saying with utmost certainty that she couldn't have possibly broken her nose. Your case was a full on headbutt. Here, Depp is claiming it was an accidental coming together so it's likely there wasn't much force to begin with. I fell flat on my face but the bruising was barely visible. Every case will be different.

 

[Tarrou]

Of course it isn't misogyny, They are just being dramatic like some women are. Bite!

haha excellent work

 

[RacingClub]

How do we actually know she broke her nose anyway? Is that a doctor diagnosis or just her claiming it?

Im pretty sure it's just her claim.

Which makes all the anecdotal evidence about broken noses kind of pointless because I'm assuming they were all medically diagnosed.