19 children and 2 teachers killed in Texas school shooting (24 May 2022)

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Ffs. Honestly would celebrate if some of those senators died. Absolute scum with blood on their hands.
There should be mass protests in front of their houses for as long as it takes to change the damn gun laws.
 

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What is specifically about schools that makes them such a massive target? It may just be my own perception that's faulty because the school shootings typically end up being the mass shootings that gain the most attention and outrage, but it does feel like they get targeted at a wildly disproportionate rate compared to other places of mass gatherings.
Impact, I'm assuming. Can't be many things more abhorrent and damaging to the psyche than seeing a school full of children being massacred. Which I assume is the motivation for these perpetrators.
 

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Remember that time they got shot while having a Congressional baseball practice... and then nothing happened...
At this point I’m sure some of them wouldn’t even change their politics if their own children were to be among the victims. But still, the stakes are so high. People in the US just have to keep trying and pushing.
 

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I'm curious, if gun laws did change (which they won't because the GOP are a horrible bunch of self serving cnuts), surely it would take decades to mitigate the damage already caused, right? Aren't there hundreds of thousands of guns in circulation in the US already?
 

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There was a robbery in in a supermarket a few years ago where the robbers ran out of the store with several expensive items. A middle-aged lady spotted them as she was making her way from her car to the store, and since she had a gun in her purse she thought she should play the hero, confront these thieves and save the day. Unfortunately she was as untrained with a gun as you would expect (and even if she was trained, a gun training course is obviously no substitute to an active real life situation) and you can guess what happened next - the thieves got away and she accidentally shot random bystanders in the car park.
And this is exactly why average Joe shouldn’t have access to guns.

I still remember hearing a few stories about mum/dad mistaken their daughter as intruder and accidentally shoot her to death in their own house. It’s really totally fecked up.
 
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Kids killing kids. A lot of people in this thread having a go at america, it occurs to frequently in the UK to however in a different way, a lot goes unreported. Happens across the world too very frequently.

It seems to me as whenever it happens in America its blown up across world media with a kill count and everything else. Very strange.
It’s a ridiculous point, but since you made it


The stupid fecking gun stuff in America happens ON TOP of all the other stuff that also happens in other countries…. Its not an equivalence, it’s added extra stupid fecking gun stuff… Because of the stupid fecking guns.
 
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At this point I’m sure some of them wouldn’t even change their politics if their own children were to be among the victims. But still, the stakes are so high. People in the US just have to keep trying and pushing.
It'll be forgotten come Monday, as usual.
 

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I'm curious, if gun laws did change (which they won't because the GOP are a horrible bunch of self serving cnuts), surely it would take decades to mitigate the damage already caused, right? Aren't there hundreds of thousands of guns in circulation in the US already?
Millions. I read some stat somewhere that said that are more guns in circulation than the size of the population, which is insane. So yeah, not a quick fix even if the appropriate legislation was passed.
 

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Impact, I'm assuming. Can't be many things more abhorrent and damaging to the psyche than seeing a school full of children being massacred. Which I assume is the motivation for these perpetrators.
Leaving aside that schools are probably "easy" targets for maximum casualties and shock effect it's probably also an institution that the perpetrators built up a lot of anger against. Be it that they were bullied, or that they felt unfairly treated by the system or that they hated what the values teachers were supposed to teach them.
 

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Surely a buy-back program would help. I mean, with people hurting for cash these days, if we were to offer 2 times the going rate for their gun, we might be able to get some of them out of circulation (as well as restricting new purchases of course).
 

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Kids killing kids. A lot of people in this thread having a go at america, it occurs to frequently in the UK to however in a different way, a lot goes unreported. Happens across the world too very frequently.

It seems to me as whenever it happens in America its blown up across world media with a kill count and everything else. Very strange.
Absolutely. Just the other day a mass shooter took out kids in my local primary school- casualties in double figures.


It went unreported because this is completely made up and no such thing has happened in the UK since Dunblane.

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America is fecked, lots of its people are fecked and sadly, sounds like your political system is ridiculous and will prevent real change.

We (UK) have plenty of faults (plenty) but at least we know that any MP that backs something so stupid can be voted out come next election (if their own party didn't throw them out first)... as can their party.

It's heart breaking to read about ANOTHER avoidable mass shooting but for all you Americans who want change and know your political system makes it very unlikely, it must be fecking frustrating.

I worried my kids might get bullied in school.. to have the small % chance they could get shot is ridiculous. I'd leave if I lived there.
 

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Jesus, I don't even have kids, and that made me tear up.
You don't need to have kids to be affected by that. It's so painful. As it happens, I've got a daughter, so can't help but think about similar messages she's sent me and how utterly inconsolable I'd feel watching this. I can't imagine I'd ever be able to recover fully from it. My heart goes out to the families and friends.
 
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I'm curious, if gun laws did change (which they won't because the GOP are a horrible bunch of self serving cnuts), surely it would take decades to mitigate the damage already caused, right? Aren't there hundreds of thousands of guns in circulation in the US already?
More like hundreds of millions of guns.

Change can't happen overnight but with the right will (and less feckwit politicians), it could happen in years. They just won't try.
 

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Millions. I read some stat somewhere that said that are more guns in circulation than the size of the population, which is insane. So yeah, not a quick fix even if the appropriate legislation was passed.
Sorry, not sure why I said hundreds of thousands as yeah, I knew there were more than the entire population.

They couldn't possibly try to recall all those guns, it would be a mess and you'd imagine it still wouldn't be too difficult for a lunatic like this to get their hands on one for a while. That said it'd probably be a lot more expensive to, at least, as they'd have to go through black markets.
 

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It'll be forgotten come Monday, as usual.
Not by the families and friends of those who were injured or killed. I understand the rhetoric of hopelessness. We’ve been through this time and time again. And I very often find myself sharing sentiments of hopelessness. Actually did so multiple times in the last few hours. But the truth is also that there are people fighting for what’s right. And every time something like this happens, these people become more. And they become angrier and more organised. And at one point, they won’t take it anymore. And they’ll be enough to force change.
It is terrible to see, that we’re not there yet. And it’s terrible to know that there’s no way of saying when we’re finally there. But whenever I manage to leave my own cynicism behind, I know we’ll get there. It’s just impossible to say how many more have to die, until that moment in time.
 

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In the UK, we've proved that the only people who need guns (as opposed to want them) are the armed forces, some police officers, bodyguards of important people and farmers who use a shotgun (and I'm not even sure about the farmers in many cases).

Anything else is sport or recreational and therefore not necessary. I have some experience of the latter as I used to own a pistol and do target shooting at a gun club, long before Dunblane.

The USA isn't different in that respect. Police, armed forces, people who use a shotgun for their work and people who live in very rural areas where they are at risk of being attacked by predatory animals - who else needs a weapon? Some fat man in a MAGA cap sitting on his front porch in Toad Suck, Arkansas? No, he doesn't.
 

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It’s a ridiculous point, but since you made it


The stupid fecking gun stuff in America happens ON TOP of all the other stuff thats also happens in other countries…. Its not an equivalence, it’s added extra stupid fecking gun stuff… Because of the stupid fecking guns.
100 percent agree. Most of their citizens want guns, this will happen a lot, most people will watch this and think hmm ok another shooting however bad that seems.
 

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This reminds me how glad I am we failed decided to cancel our visa application and return to the UK. Those poor fecking kids.
 

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Millions. I read some stat somewhere that said that are more guns in circulation than the size of the population, which is insane. So yeah, not a quick fix even if the appropriate legislation was passed.
There’s almost 400 million guns in this country.
 

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Even if the Senate did something, this Supreme Court would overturn it. There is no hope for change in the next 40 years because of Trump.
Even if you could argue that Trump made it worse, they didn't do a thing about it after Sandy Hook and that was long before him.
 

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I'm curious, if gun laws did change (which they won't because the GOP are a horrible bunch of self serving cnuts), surely it would take decades to mitigate the damage already caused, right? Aren't there hundreds of thousands of guns in circulation in the US already?
An estimated 400 million
 

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And if I may add to that, I say no one should be able to own a gun unless they pass a strong proficiency test like it's done for driving a car. After that, regular assessments on mental and physical fitness for gun ownership should be mandatory every X years.
Owning a gun in America is a constitutional right, not just a privilege.
 

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Strong words from Biden today saying its time America showed some backbone and stood up to the gun lobby.
 

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They're "fervently" praying now. Surely it's only a matter of time until these prayers are answered and these massacres finally stop...

 

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Same politicians who will no doubt be on tv to say how sorry are they that this tragedy happened will be the same ones who votes against gun reform in their own states.

Horrific for those parents and loved ones to have sent their kids to school only for then to never return. RIP to all those who passed except the shooter hope he had a painful death wee bast@rd
 

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Not by the families and friends of those who were injured or killed. I understand the rhetoric of hopelessness. We’ve been through this time and time again. And I very often find myself sharing sentiments of hopelessness. Actually did so multiple times in the last few hours. But the truth is also that there are people fighting for what’s right.
I'd rather call it the rhetoric of realism. Truth is: most US citizens don't care about it at all. If it were otherwise, we would have seen that. There is no big movement or any significant number of people really fighting for a change. All there is to it are the same displays of feigned outrage and "deep" sadness across the political spectrum that last for a day or 2, before everybody returns back to business.

And every time something like this happens, these people become more. And they become angrier and more organised...
Progress since Sandy Hook: 0%