Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

[Moby]

Nah Diaz has been in form and Mane’s been performing as a number 9 recently. Jota’s all round play has been poor and Firmino’s not played much. Diaz was handled well by Carvajal.

We have an issue on our right in that we only have Salah who can play there. There’s no option to rotate or move Salah from that position really. Salah’s form in front of goal recently has been poor.

We just weren’t clinical. Madrid were when it mattered.

That's what I'm saying his form was against rather poor teams. He was literally moaning at Thiago and Robertson throughout the first half for not getting their through balls right and there was no sync between them which is to be expected. Carvajal did well because Liverpool were never able to release Diaz early and allowed Carvajal to catch up and when they tried to it failed miserably. That flank was a disaster and none of the players knew what the other one was doing. That hurt your attack massively and funnelled it down the right.

Carlo started Kroos over Camavinga and didn't even sub him early. Even though Kroos looked poor at times individually knowing your teammates next move is essential in these games and makes a massive difference. You don't need a lot of "overall play" in these games, you need goals regardless of how they come and Jota has scored a bunch of goals for you lot this season. TAA didn't have a single target in the box when he had open chances to cross and the closest they came from a cross was fecking Thiago of all people making the run. Meanwhile Jota has been an easy target to have in the box all season.

 

[Klopper76]

That's what I'm saying his form was against rather poor teams. He was literally moaning at Thiago and Robertson throughout the first half for not getting their through balls right and there was no sync between them which is to be expected. Carvajal did well because Liverpool were never able to release Diaz early and allowed Carvajal to catch up and when they tried to it failed miserably. That flank was a disaster and none of the players knew what the other one was doing. That hurt your attack massively and funnelled it down the right.

Carlo started Kroos over Camavinga and didn't even sub him early. Even though Kroos looked poor at times individually knowing your teammates next move is essential in these games and makes a massive difference. You don't need a lot of "overall play" in these games, you need goals regardless of how they come and Jota has scored a bunch of goals for you lot this season. TAA didn't have a single target in the box when he had open chances to cross and the closest they came from a cross was fecking Thiago of all people making the run. Meanwhile Jota has been an easy target to have in the box all season.

But Jota hasn’t been in form and Mane doesn’t look right on the left (I think he’s lost some of his explosiveness which made him so good as a winger). Jota’s not scored in a long time now.

I think Klopp would’ve got some stick for not starting Diaz. He could’ve made different substitutions in the second half. Someone was saying in another thread that Firmino for Thiago might’ve been the better option. I don’t think the starting line up was an issue.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

He won two cups, this very season.

You’re still here?

 

[Moby]

But Jota hasn’t been in form and Mane doesn’t look right on the left (I think he’s lost some of his explosiveness which made him so good as a winger). Jota’s not scored in a long time now.

I think Klopp would’ve got some stick for not starting Diaz. He could’ve made different substitutions in the second half. Someone was saying in another thread that Firmino for Thiago might’ve been the better option. I don’t think the starting line up was an issue.

Jota has not been in the team constantly for a while now as well so his scoring hasn't been the same as the start of the season. But you need to make the right calls in such games and pick horses for courses. Everyone expected Madrid to spend the first half containing Liverpool and Liverpool to come straight out of the blocks and get their goals in that phase. That's how it went except there was no chemistry in the front three to create the high quality chances that we usually see them doing. That was the most important part of the game for them and had Klopp nailed that front three and the attacking tactic it could have been game over. What actually happened was utterly disjointed and Diaz dropped an absolute stinker.

As I said he fell for recency bias and failed to see what has worked for him the entire season and got him to this point.

 

[Freak]

He’s going to commission for stronger inhalers isn’t he?

 

[DevilRed]

He’s going to commission for stronger inhalers isn’t he?

 

[SportingCP96]

Liverpool has peaked. They can’t get better then what they have done. They have been phenomenal for years but don’t have enough to show for it.

They huff and puff but they can never blow the house down.

 

[DevilRed]

Liverpool has peaked. They can’t get better then what they have done. They have been phenomenal for years but don’t have enough to show for it.

They huff and puff but they can never blow the house down.

I think they have one last go around if mane doesn’t leave.

but injuries etc. could dictate their season. Also will they continue to get piss easy draws?

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Had the easiest run to a champions league final I can remember and then lost to the first top team they faced

 

[Mastadon]

Hopefully that’s the end of their cycle. Klopp leaves and they appoint a Mikel Arteta type who will have their fans expecting to finish 8th and satisfied with finishing 6th.

 

[Klopper76]

It’s not that though, is it? It’s the way the media, ex Liverpool players, your fans and even players went about it. TAA tweeted 1/4 after the carling cup win, Salah tweeting “we have a score to settle”, Owen saying Liverpool to win easily right before the game etc. If you went about your business quietly no one will be “mocking” you.

I think the media is the biggest issue. I agree that we’ve been rammed down everyone’s throats too much. Owen’s comments post match were cringey and so over the top.

That being said, Alexander-Arnold and Salah were daft.

But you’d still be mocking us regardless. Part of the fun of the rivalry.

 

[DevilRed]

Had the easiest run to a champions league final I can remember and then lost to the first top team they faced

This. Couldn’t play spurs in the final again could they?

continually avoid psg, Bayern etc.

They have been incredibly lucky all season long. Even the two domestic cups were decided by pens.

 

[DevilRed]

Hopefully that’s the end of their cycle. Klopp leaves and they appoint a Mikel Arteta type who will have their fans expecting to finish 8th and satisfied with finishing 6th.

you mean slippy g? It will happen. Just be patient

 

[SportingCP96]

I think they have one last go around if mane doesn’t leave.

but injuries etc. could dictate their season. Also will they continue to get piss easy draws?

Even if they do it’s just not enough and it’s been proven. This squad is not enough to win the CL or EPL

 

[lex talionis]

It’s easy to almost win stuff. United were top of the table longer than Liverpool were this season. The pressures off when you’re chasing, no body expected them to chase down City. They came into 3 finals this season as the favourites and bottled each one with a shit performance and 0 goals. If you want to win trophies consistently you can’t keep pretending you’re the underdog

If it were easy to almost stuff, we would have almost won stuff. But the record shows we were no close to winning stuff this season. I’m not here to big up Liverpool, but we should acknowledge that Liverpool put in a proper shift this season and came up just short against an inspired City side and an inspired Real side.

 

[Sandikan]

Even if they do it’s just not enough and it’s been proven. This squad is not enough to win the CL or EPL

I dislike them as much as anyone, but it shouldn't be forgotten they've just lost both by 1 point and in a final!
What they had could easily have been enough, that's why we're all relieved!!

 

[Dansk]

Gegenpressen has some value in an underdog side because you win 55% of your games through sheer tirelessness.

It won't take you to greatness, because if you win only 55% of your important games, you're not really dominating.

Stubborn grit suits a club that has to punch a mile upwards and hope to catch the giants off-balance. It's certainly not a platform for sustained success.

Especially if 63% of your players suffer from asthma and have to be medicated for that condition. It takes its toll.

Especially when they don't really have it. Then it really takes its toll on them. Then it's just doping, Jürgen, and it will only get you so far.

Your players are worn out from playing at 110% thanks to respiratory medication that permits them to keep running forever. They've burnt out.

Again.

Just like last time.

 

[Morty_]

Its not a given they remain at this level for much longer, Salah and Mane could both be gone pretty soon, they will have a hard time replacing them.

They really should have won more in these years.

 

[diarm]

I'm a Munster and United fan and i spent all day yesterday in a pub in Dublin city centre, with around a hundred Leinster and Liverpool fans.

I'm honestly not sure how I wasn't lynched. My cheeks hurt from laughing.

 

[Fortitude]

3 finals and they couldn't score. After all big month Robertson,TAA,Klopp said in the build up. After all the pudits telling us how great they are. They thought they had it won the minute Real got to the final.

Salah and Mane will go now either this summer or next. And they should. This Liverpool has gone as far as it can go.

Best players ageing and potentially wanting to leave, morale down after missing out on the two big trophies, let’s hope this is the end of their time at the top.

Credit it where it’s due they are still one of the best teams in the world, but it takes a lot to sustain that level and I hope they’ve fecked it now.

Wonder if Pool will have a BVB style collapse next season, losing the title on the last day of the season and now this. It will take alot to comeback mentally.

People keep saying this. We're not going to stop competing until Klopp goes imo. Whether we win either of the big boys again is hard to say. Might be difficult with City around and the nature of the CL. He has already started bringing in younger players to refresh things. Van Dijk will be the hardest player to replace but that's 2-3 years away from being an issue.

You have to remember that we've had big disappointments under Klopp and bounced back before. He's learned from his time at Dortmund.

After Klopp goes it's guess work depending on numerous factors. We might drop off at that point and have to start again but that's too hard to figure out right now.

Liverpool has peaked. They can’t get better then what they have done. They have been phenomenal for years but don’t have enough to show for it.

They huff and puff but they can never blow the house down.

Yesterday felt different, really like the end of whatever era you want to call it for this set of players, but particularly Mane and Salah as well as that midfield.

Picking yourself up from generic losses is one thing, but when you've been driven on a crest of a wave and have indulged in that hype, anything but achieving your objectives is going to be devastating, and further to that, losing the two big trophies in that manner is crushing.

Even if these players want to just go again, that momentum is not with them. Coping with adversity next season will be harder than this with the psychological seeds now a factor - there wasn't much more to be done and yet it was short of what was needed; City and Real are already bolstering with top quality talent and new energy, so to even achieve ceteris paribus, Liverpool will have to match that influx of talent and add it to what's there without losing their star turns.

Klopp's extremely highly rated, but if he can pick this side up to be in an equivalent position by April/May next season, he'll have gone up a level, in my estimation. I feel this is a pivotal 12 months for them.

 

[Luffy]

I’ve read that the penumbral lunar eclipse on the 5th of May 2023 will be visible in Instanbul. Maybe he’s talking about that?

 

[DevilRed]

Its going to take alot for goofy yellow tooth to bring them back from the brink next season.

The cycle is almost over unless they bring in several new faces, which is unlikely given how the team is already set.

We've seen it happen to the best of Manchester United sides in the past. The team needs a refresh and their owners can't be cheapskates. Otherwise they risk suffering from burnout.

 

[Theafonis]

Important summer for them ahead.

 

[tenpoless]

Just realized people are calling him Goofy now

When did it start?

 

[Dumbstar]

Important summer for them ahead.

It will be interesting. We have too many areas to replace so will have to keep some oldies. At the back Allison and VvD can keep going for another season but we may need back up as Matip's injury free run this season feels like a dream that we will wake up from very soon. I'm already forgetting Gomez.

TAA is getting a back up I believe. Robertson already has a brilliant one (and one that we don't play enough!!).

We need to spend around £80-100m in midfield. Two main, young, midfielders that are class. Shame Tchoumani is gone, but I'm sure others will be itching to play for the goofy, failure of a manager, Klopp. Keita may finally become a regular but I bet he also gets injured tying his shoes laces.

Finally we need to sell one of Mane or Salah. Not just for the money but we need to blood in replacements early. Might see another £40-50m spent here, but will be covered by a sale. Carvalho will need to step up quickly too.

And as mentioned elsewhere, we will have to bin off the cup competitions (now that we've already won them this season) until we have a squad to get this close to a quad again. Maybe 2024.

 

[horsechoker]

 

[hasanejaz88]

Replacing Salah or Mane will be tough, I'm not as hyped on Luis Diaz as others seem to be. I don't think he's at the level of either of the two, don't know if they will invest the money from selling either on buying another player in that role but I think they will have to find the next great winger.

 

[Brwned]

Is he bad in finals because his style of play leaves them exhausted at the end of the season? It looked like Madrid’s game plan was just to let them tire themselves out in-game, and halfway through the second half they had nothing left. I’m sure they looked tired in their CL win against Spurs too.

 

[The Firestarter]

You usually need a flamethrower in these situations, to be on the safe side.

 

[horsechoker]

You usually need a flamethrower in these situations, to be on the safe side.

Sorry if I spoiled Stranger Things

 

[djembatheking]

"Book your tickets to Istanbul for 2023"

Don't be silly Jürgen.....Scousers don't need tickets for Cup finals. They still get in though.

Book your seat now with Coach Innovations Limited .

 

[Sassy Colin]

He's the best manager in the world tbh. We'd be creaming ourselves if we had a manager won won two trophies and got within a point of the league and reached the final of the CL.

That's the whole point though, there fans are so entitled, they want to bin half the team, despite being in a period of unprecedented success.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Book your seat now with Coach Innovations Limited .

 

[Gehrman]

Even if they do it’s just not enough and it’s been proven. This squad is not enough to win the CL or EPL

On the league side of things they have been very unlucky. Their total points have been amazing and would have won them the league in almost any other season. Still they lost so that's a relief.

 

[crossy1686]

If it were easy to almost stuff, we would have almost won stuff. But the record shows we were no close to winning stuff this season. I’m not here to big up Liverpool, but we should acknowledge that Liverpool put in a proper shift this season and came up just short against an inspired City side and an inspired Real side.

When the pressure was off. Every time they had to win, they bottled it

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Is he bad in finals because his style of play leaves them exhausted at the end of the season? It looked like Madrid’s game plan was just to let them tire themselves out in-game, and halfway through the second half they had nothing left. I’m sure they looked tired in their CL win against Spurs too.

They were absolutely atrocious in that final vs Spurs. Dodgy pen early on then they just parked the bus for the rest of the game and grimly hung on. Late breakaway goal at the end to seal it.

They were just incredibly lucky to be playing Spurs that day, any of the usual CL finalists and they'd have lost.

It's an interesting theory you have though, he's obviously a great manager but his cup final record is really really poor, there must be a reason.

 

[Attila]

He's still an exceptional manager and this season's of the best I've ever seen for any club.

Yes, they ultimately came short and 'only' won two of the four trophies, nevertheless how they they pushed on every single front until the very end is a sight to behold and an example to every club wanting to call themselves a great one. Especially by today's standards. Or you keep your oppo fan specs and call him shite.

It was certainly a sight to behold I’ll give you that

 

[Ridge Racer]

I remember before the league was over that media were discussing if he is on SAF's level. Yet after 9 years all he has to show is one asterisk league title and a CL won against Spurs.

 

[Reddevildans]

I'm not going to pretend I didn't enjoy yesterday because I absolutely loved it and dislike Liverpool more than any other team. But the fact remains they're a top side managed by a coach who we'd take in an instant. They were unlucky yesterday and losing the league by a point despite getting 90+ points also seems unlucky.

However, considering the run they got in all finals except the fa semi vs City I think they were lucky in that regard. Also the quality in Europe is definitely not as it was 10-15 years ago.

This Real madrid team is just something. Mentality monsters. But on paper it's ageing and lacks the sprinkles of past years. Barca are a shadow of their former selves. The likes of Valencia who used to be good in Europe have fallen away. Inter Milan, Ac Milan and Juventus all not strong enough to challenge. Psg bottlers. And dortmund and bayern failing maybe due the weakness of thier league. And let's not forget how we've fallen so dramatically.

Liverpool will remain favourites for the next few seasons for the league and champions league. There's still a core of brilliant players. Just hoping some of their big players leave for new challenges.

 

[Red the Bear]

He probably should have gone easy on the league and let his players recuperate some more, could have made the difference.