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Get the feck in!

Sounds like it might not have even been that close in Tiverton. That's an incredible result.
 
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This resignation is just as damaging as the elections outcomes.
The Tories will be full of the usual excuses.
But the public are not interested in excuses.
They are demanding action. And they have successfully given Boris a real kicking.
 

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This resignation is just as damaging as the elections outcomes.
Even more damaging I think, he was the loyal Boris supporter due to do all the media this morning, this is a clear message to other cabinet members to follow suit, today could be quite interesting.
 

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Also, becoming obvious to many tories that Boris Johnson does not give a feck about the party.
 

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My dads constituency that, well in! Any chance we can have a general election tomorrow? :D
 

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Excellent news to wake up to!

I’m not sure what to contribute the large swing to, though. Are people tired of self-serving, law-breaking, corrupt Boris? Are they tired of the culture wars and division perpetuated by the government? Are they tired of the incompetence? Or is it just a case of “it’s the economy, stupid”?

Reason I’m contemplating this is, no government will be able to reverse the economic damage done by COVID, war and Brexit in a single term. In that case a Labour government might be short lived. On the other hand it would be comforting to know the country finally had its fill of Tory bullshit and performative politics of division.
 
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So I'm not that up on politics. I try to keep up to date with day to day stuff, but regarding these by elections.

Obviously we have Torys and Labour, so using Tiverton as an example.
Why are the Lib Dems so popular there? (On this vote anyway)
With all going on, it seems people aren't happy with Boris there, so why would they switch to the Libs and not the out and out opposition, Labour?

Labour received 3.7% of the votes, even the Green Party wasn't that far behind.
 

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Also, becoming obvious to many tories that Boris Johnson does not give a feck about the party.
My only worry is that when Boris inevitably tanks them, all that shower of incompetence he promoted to positions of power to be his yes-men, will sink with him. Then they might actually promote someone capable. Whereas for example I really look forward to seeing someone like Liz Truss or Nadine Dorries trying to lead them to an election.
 

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Now you know why the fat bastard fecked off to Rwanda.

Is this country finally coming to it's senses? I'm not getting my hopes up.
 

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So I'm not that up on politics. I try to keep up to date with day to day stuff, but regarding these by elections.

Obviously we have Torys and Labour, so using Tiverton as an example.
Why are the Lib Dems so popular there? (On this vote anyway)
With all going on, it seems people aren't happy with Boris there, so why would they switch to the Libs and not the out and out opposition, Labour?

Labour received 3.7% of the votes, even the Green Party wasn't that far behind.
Because Lib Dems are seen as more fiscally conservative than Labour. They also contain a sizeable portion of libertarians among their ranks. Bear in mind that pre-coalition government, Lib Dems had significant presence in those parts, so perhaps quite a few are returning voters. Finally, long-standing animosity towards labour means the protest vote is more likely to go to Lib Dems than the former.
 

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So I'm not that up on politics. I try to keep up to date with day to day stuff, but regarding these by elections.

Obviously we have Torys and Labour, so using Tiverton as an example.
Why are the Lib Dems so popular there? (On this vote anyway)
With all going on, it seems people aren't happy with Boris there, so why would they switch to the Libs and not the out and out opposition, Labour?

Labour received 3.7% of the votes, even the Green Party wasn't that far behind.
A number of reasons..

1. It's a true blue constituency, thousands of people vote Tory because they have always voted Tory, voting Labour might be to much of a change for them, whereas the Lib Dems are a more acceptable option.
2. It is a by-election so voting in the Lib Dems would not feel as though they are doing any "damage"
3. Lib Dems have a history of being quite popular in the South West, maybe not in Honiton and Tiverton, but Cornwall, Taunton, Yeovil etc all have a history of being Lib Dem
4. Most important is tactical voting!
 

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Because Lib Dems are seen as more fiscally conservative than Labour. They also contain a sizeable portion of libertarians among their ranks. Bear in mind that pre-coalition government, Lib Dems had significant presence in those parts, so perhaps quite a few are returning voters. Finally, long-standing animosity towards labour means the protest vote is more likely to go to Lib Dems than the former.
Thank you!
 

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Boris Johnson really is a coward. Always finds a way of running away at difficult times.
 

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Tactical voting is the best chance we have of getting rid of the Tories.

I really hope this shows the rest of the country that's the plan we have to use.
 

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Dominic Raab seems to be taking Dowden's place on most outlets
Probably the one with the least self awareness and least shame. What’s the line they are talking? My guess is attacking Labour for a poor result in T&H…
 

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Probably the one with the least self awareness and least shame. What’s the line they are talking? My guess is attacking Labour for a poor result in T&H…
I haven't heard him yet, but my tory excuse guess is all post war governments suffer defeats in by elections, carry on dealing with the issues that matter and listen to the people but carry on anyway!
 

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Because Lib Dems are seen as more fiscally conservative than Labour. They also contain a sizeable portion of libertarians among their ranks. Bear in mind that pre-coalition government, Lib Dems had significant presence in those parts, so perhaps quite a few are returning voters. Finally, long-standing animosity towards labour means the protest vote is more likely to go to Lib Dems than the former.
I think you'll see that across the country. It's how I would vote if a GE were called today. Boris needs to go but Labour are still not government material at this point. The radical elements remain and Starmer is an empty vessel.

I just hope we don't descend into a country of coalitions where nothing at all ever gets done.
 

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I think you'll see that across the country. It's how I would vote if a GE were called today. Boris needs to go but Labour are still not government material at this point. The radical elements remain and Starmer is an empty vessel.

I just hope we don't descend into a country of coalitions where nothing at all ever gets done.
Johnson had an 80 seat majority and has got feck all done though.

We'd be in a better condition with a coalition instead of these Tories
 

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Probably the one with the least self awareness and least shame. What’s the line they are talking? My guess is attacking Labour for a poor result in T&H…
Wow even Raab isn't doing it, Paul Scully and Robert Buckland are the two that have turned up on Sky! The Tory's are scraping the barrel this morning.
 

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Excellent news to wake up too, best thing they can do is keep Boris in charge.
100%. Boris Johnson is the most valuable asset to the other parties in the UK right now. The fact he survived the no confidence vote and another can’t be raised for a year is even better.

As much as I’d love to see this Tory government out of power. I feel that keeping them there with Boris in charge is causing more self inflicting long term damage to the Tory’s than any other party could ever inflict on them.

Keep Boris in, keep the status quo and then that’s have a big bang at the next GE.
 

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Wow even Raab isn't doing it, Paul Scully and Robert Buckland are the two that have turned up on Sky! The Tory's are scraping the barrel this morning.
The Tory MP on Sky News is incredibly downbeat and sullen. You can see he knows the end is near for Big Dog .
 

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100%. Boris Johnson is the most valuable asset to the other parties in the UK right now. The fact he survived the no confidence vote and another can’t be raised for a year is even better.

As much as I’d love to see this Tory government out of power. I feel that keeping them there with Boris in charge is causing more self inflicting long term damage to the Tory’s than any other party could ever inflict on them.

Keep Boris in, keep the status quo and then that’s have a big bang at the next GE.
I couldn't agree more but I worry about what he will put the country through in the next couple of years. On the other hand Truss or Dorries could be even worse for the Tory party.
 

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You'd think they'll be one more push to get rid of him but I hope not. Labours best chance is a vote against Boris.

I'd say it'll be close based off those results as they are in itself meaningless so people are more free to vote as a message. The turnout tends to favour Tories at a GE compared to by-election as well.
 

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I put a bet on Boris being out in June @ 16/1 when there were murmurings of a VOC. I’m definitely not confident he will go but it’s given me a little bit of hope
 

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On a side note. It’s great to see that scum Jayda Fransen bottom of the vote in Wakefield with 23 votes. Probably all came from Protesting tories too.