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Looks like the Ralf **** is alive and well!
I'm saying the training probably just wasn't the most effective.Exactly. So you are saying that they don't train his way but in a different way and then he asks them to play in a completely different way during the match?
Didn't we create a PL record for the number of turnovers of possession in the first half of a game?It’s one of the greatest puzzles for me to hear people keep saying how wonderful the first 30 mins against crystal palace we had played. We didn’t create many clear cut opportunities during that phase. It’s far from superb at all.
Sir Alex: "Get behind your manager."Looks like the Ralf **** is alive and well!
There's no lvg **** here now.Sir Alex: "Get behind your manager."
Meanwhile on the cafe:
LVG ****.
Jose ****.
Ole ****.
Ralf ****.
The lack of success seems to be eating away at a lot of the fans to the point of making em more troll than supporter.
Do other club forums that get laughed off here have threads keeping close tab on former managers filled with inciting posts, condescending and schadenfreude?
Hah and def none for Moyes, right? Or are people being too favorable about his work with West HamThere's no lvg **** here now.
If it’s really the record number in EPL, it means no other team has done it. Why? Isn’t it reasonable to say the intensity to achieve it can’t be maintained by any team? If goal is rare to score, what’s the point to reach that level of intensity for so long, to tire ourselves and let the opponents overrun us the rest of game? Well, it’s what actually happened but we were luck to score a goal lately.Didn't we create a PL record for the number of turnovers of possession in the first half of a game?
You are right about chance correction.
I agree with you - just thinking on why fans look back so fondly to that first half. We hadn't seen that sort of intensity or hunger for such a long time (or since) so it was a bit of a pleasant jolt.If it’s really the record number in EPL, it means no other team has done it. Why? Isn’t it reasonable to say the intensity to achieve it can’t be maintained by any team? If goal is rare to score, what’s the point to reach that level of intensity for so long, to tire ourselves and let the opponents overrun us the rest of game? Well, it’s what actually happened but we were luck to score a goal lately.
If ETH can’t get us play as a unit, a team, we probably are truly doomed. The only thing left to try next is to push the glazers to sell.I agree with you - just thinking on why fans look back so fondly to that first half. We hadn't seen that sort of intensity or hunger for such a long time (or since) so it was a bit of a pleasant jolt.
Hopefully we can look forward to a MUCH less passive team under ETH.
He will, don't worry.If ETH can’t get us play as a unit, a team, we probably are truly doomed. The only thing left to try next is to push the glazers to sell.
I am very optimistic that ETH can do it.
Couldn't care less about Ragnick but considering the opponents the results are good. 1-1 vs France, 3-0 win vs Croatia and a loss against a very good Denmark.3-0
1-2
1-1
The Austrian players have clearly downed tools just like the United players did.Wow, not a peep from the Rangnites? Wonder why that is?
You must be one of the "more observant" fans who see the bigger picture.They won the first game because of Ralf and then lost 2 and drew 1 because of the players.
very good Denmark since when?Couldn't care less about Rangnick but considering the opponents the results are good. 1-1 vs France, 3-0 win vs Croatia and a loss against a very good Denmark.
Thought they'd won the world cup. When is the parade?The Austrian players have clearly downed tools just like the United players did.
Austria pressed and won the first game 3-0 but the players couldn't be bothered to put in the effort in the other games.
They won the first game because of Ralf and then lost 2 and drew 1 because of the players.
It couldn't possibly be due to Ralf, he's the godfather of gegenpressing FFS.
The Austrian players have clearly downed tools just like the United players did.
Austria pressed and won the first game 3-0 but the players couldn't be bothered to put in the effort in the other games.
They won the first game because of Ralf and then lost 2 and drew 1 because of the players.
It couldn't possibly be due to Ralf, he's the godfather of gegenpressing FFS.
Not commenting on Austria, but Denmark has been good since a while before the EC.very good Denmark since when?
Thought they'd won the world cup. When is the parade?
Agree with this , no shame in losing to a full strength Danish side.Denmark has been good since a while before the EC.
Denmark have been fantastic lately, easily the best Nordic country and semi-finalists in the Euros.very good Denmark since when?
Thought they'd won the world cup. When is the parade?
We really are a special club
Why would Ralf have been involved in choosing Ten Hag? Why would anybody at the club listen a single thing Ralf said to them from February on when it was clear how useless he was?Ralf's time at Utd has been a complete waste of time. If he helped choosing ETH then the Dutchman kinda backstabbed him
and you can feck off even joking about thatPart of the three step Dutch take over of United.
1. Ten Hag
2. Van Der Sar
3. Overmars.
Ten Hag himself said he hopes to work with him again. If every man sending a dick pic gets banned from holding a job for life, you'll end up with a 40-50% unemployment rate.and you can feck off even joking about that
You’re missing the massive detail of power dynamics and coercion here. Marc Overmars can go feck himself.Ten Hag himself said he hopes to work with him again. If every man sending a dick pic gets banned from holding a job for life, you'll end up with a 40-50% unemployment rate.
What would you call this current Denmark side?very good Denmark since when?
I mean to say I thought ETH was touted to be the main manager from even earlier than February and that maybe Ralf played a role in thatWhy would Ralf have been involved in choosing Ten Hag? Why would anybody at the club listen a single thing Ralf said to them from February on when it was clear how useless he was?
and you can feck off even joking about that
same as the previous. nothing to shout about. Might squeeze a QF here and there but not a real threatWhat would you call this current Denmark side?
Not for Ralf it wasn't. He made a few quid, had a nice extended holiday in England, got to experience what it's like to manage a big club, boosted his profile with his weekly shows and gained a small but hardcore following who worship the man.Ralf's time at Utd has been a complete waste of time. If he helped choosing ETH then the Dutchman kinda backstabbed him
WTF is this. I don't understand. ETH will only benefit from having Ralf or even meeting him.
Maybe Erik seen Ralf as a toxic presence around the club and didn't want to be associated with him.WTF is this. I don't understand. ETH will only benefit from having Ralf or even meeting him.
Yeah but the problem was under Rangnick we didn't move to anything. It was 6 months of some of the most insipid, directionless football you will ever see at a top club.Ten Hag and Rangnick stand for quite different brands of football, too. They have in common that both play organized football with pressing being the backbone of their systems but that aside their are many differences. More so than between Klopp and Pep for example. Rangnick was a pioneer in Germany but in contrast to Klopp or Tuchel - who adapted many elements from possession football - he didn't really improve his system beyond that stage. It is still highly reliant on pressing and transition, less so on position and possession play. So IMO, Ten Hag's system is much better suited to a top club.
Either way I believe that many in here see Rangnick's stint too negatively, though. Replacing Solskjaer with Rangnick is actually quite a statement. It signals that you move away from old school improvised football and reliance on individual quality. Can't imagine it didn't help to expose the problems of the current squad and which players have problems to a) commit to an exhausting pressing system and b) give up freedom on the pitch to follow tactical instructions that improve the team performance.
No idea if this is true but it would be silly of ETH not to meet Rangnick, so I don't believe that's how it really went down