Better the devil you know than the moron you also know.
Next PM | #NoMoBoJo | Still hanging around like a bad smell
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Like the title. NoMoBoJo sounds like a Judoon to a Doctor Who nerd like me.
Truss vows to scrap remaining EU laws by end of 2023 risking ‘bonfire of rights’
Scale and complexity of task would be difficult in context of civil service cuts, say experts
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-vows-to-scrap-remaining-eu-laws-by-end-2023
Hundreds of laws covering employment and environmental protections could disappear overnight if Liz Truss becomes prime minister after she promised to scrap all remaining EU regulations by the end of 2023.
Despite warnings about the scale and complexity of the task, Truss launched her leadership runoff campaign by promising a “sunset” for all EU-derived laws within 15 months.
Attempting to position herself as the self-styled “Brexit-delivery prime minister”, Truss’s proposed timetable is notably accelerated from that given by Boris Johnson’s government.
Scale and complexity of task would be difficult in context of civil service cuts, say experts
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-vows-to-scrap-remaining-eu-laws-by-end-2023
Hundreds of laws covering employment and environmental protections could disappear overnight if Liz Truss becomes prime minister after she promised to scrap all remaining EU regulations by the end of 2023.
Despite warnings about the scale and complexity of the task, Truss launched her leadership runoff campaign by promising a “sunset” for all EU-derived laws within 15 months.
Attempting to position herself as the self-styled “Brexit-delivery prime minister”, Truss’s proposed timetable is notably accelerated from that given by Boris Johnson’s government.
I am terrified that Liz Truss will win this regardless of what she says and how unbelievably stupid she is.
She would be even worse/ more dangerous than Johnson and all because the Tory membership can’t bring itself to vote for someone that isn’t white.
We will be ruined by a minority bunch of racist shits.
She would be even worse/ more dangerous than Johnson and all because the Tory membership can’t bring itself to vote for someone that isn’t white.
We will be ruined by a minority bunch of racist shits.
If only someone had told that to those pinpointed in the Forde report.
As i understand it, he's effectively saying he has no faith in Keir Starmer or his Labour party.
The fact our political system is broken doesn't mean you have to vote for Labour or Conservative for ever. The parties can't take that for granted. This happened to the Tories when they lost circa 1 million votes to UKIP and to Labour in Scotland with the SNP.
Maybe Keir should add PR as a Labour policy. Maybe he should actually have some progressive policies.
I think you’re all missing the point. When a viable candidate comes up who better fits your agenda, then you definitely should vote for them. But until then, I genuinely don’t understand the logic because the reality is someone has to govern after the next general election. Which means by not voting, or not voting Labour, you’re de facto strengthening conservative chances. Unless you think Starmer’s Labour is as bad or worse than a conservative government, I’m not sure that approach makes sense.
You're well beyond ruined.
Kicking a dead horse is all she will be doing.
Well I hope she breaks both her fecking legs doing it.
Yes, that is a dark stain on Labour and they need to sort it out. It shouldn't stop people voting for them. If you are not a tory, you should vote for whichever non Tory party has the best chance of winning in your constituency. I am a Labour supporter but if the greens or lib dems poll high enough in my area I will lend them my vote.
But that’s exactly what you’ve said? You’ve accused anyone of not voting for Keir to be supporting the conservatives.
The party has behaved horrifically towards anyone on the left as is being evidenced by the Forde Report (not that anyone is in the slightest surprised by any of the details) but you’re now telling those people to suck it up and support somebody who was A) complicit with that and B) who’s ‘policies’ are at odds with their beliefs and C) has already proven himself to be extremely untrustworthy by going back on literally every pledge he made to become leader!
As mentioned on the previous page, it’s highly unlikely that I don’t vote for them because my local MP is great, but it would entirely be in spite of Keir and his centre right chums leading the party. If Keir crashes and burns at the election I won’t be happy that the tories won, but I won’t be sad to see back of him in the slightest.
I just want to point out that turning 360 degrees means you haven't turned at all.
Well no, we were already ruined by a (very large) selfish minority when 40-odd% of the adult population gave themselves yet another collective lobotomy and voted for "Get Brexit Dumb". This is just all the poisons that lurked in the mud hatching out.
She also might not last the term until the end of 2024 anyway of course. The ultimate King Log, but there's some seriously difficult times ahead for her you'd suspect.
Quite honestly at this stage the system has shown itself to be so corrupt that the binary choice isn't the bigger picture anymore. At some point you have to risk a bad outcome to cause change and refuse to be blackmailed.
The alternative in a two party state should be representative it shouldn't be self-constrained by none democratic forces working against itself.
I'll vote Labour if their policies meet my expectations OR if they push PR. If they lose it's on them for not being 'electable'.
My only hope is she is so bad, and she will be, that the Tory party implodes a bit like 1997, but I worry about how much irreparable damage she might do before that.
the ripping up of the EU laws she has already proposed (for the Tory base and not necessarily because she or anyone with a modicum of sense can actually believe is a good thing) and all the environmental protections that will go with that are a good example.
I haven’t said that. If there was a viable left opposition other than Starmer, then by all means voting them makes absolute sense.
I no doubt agree with the principle. The problem is, I don’t agree with the idea of losing would actually lead to change. An extreme example but look at the US. Let’s for argument say the left wing democrats who were disillusioned by Hilary and the centre part of the party ended up costing her VS Trump. Has it gotten better for them? Is it even better now that a democrat is in? I personally think where we are right now, the entire populous base has moved right wards because of division and very right leaders in recent times across the world. Before we can think about having the left policies we desire, you need to first reset that.
Absolutely a concern yes. On the other hand it depends how she defines "EU-derived laws". REACH legislation for example has already been replaced by "UK REACH" which is basically a pointless duplication so far, and if it ever stops being a pointless duplicate then it will double the workload for anyone who wants to export chemicals or other products to the EU. It has already increased complication by creating confusion in how things should be certified but could nonetheless be argued to be either an "EU-derived law" or a "British law" depending on what bullshit you want to sell.
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7% interest rates!
Reminds me of the 1970s. By 1981 mortgage rates were about 17.5%.
Ah, but all those savings you had, you were earning lots of interest too.
Remember it well, interest on zero savings = zero.
Ah, but all those savings you had, you were earning lots of interest too.
Remember it well, interest on zero savings = zero.
A party has to gain and deserve a vote. They don't just get it by default.
I'd rather vote Green at the moment. Even if it is part of a longer term slow growth of their vote share that contributes towards changing the narrative for future elections.
That's mainly due to the lack of faith I have in Keir Starmer offering any significant alternative. Maybe if he hadn't broken all of his leadership pledges and had any serious policies my mind would be changed. How can he be trusted any more than any other lying politician? Why should voters be gaslighted into voting for his party?
NB. I hope he launches some serious policies before the next GE which I could support
Edited for accuracy. Sadly.
It’s like two successors to Hitler in 1940 arguing over who will send more Jews to Madagascar.
I don't live in Scotland (although some friends do) so I am finding it hard to assess whether Labour is making any headway whatsoever against the SNP. From what I am told by friends North of the Border Labour generally is keeping quiet about the chances of indy2, and seems to be leaving any running on 'Remaining in the Union' to the Tories.
If this is true then Labour need to get up there and start hitting the pavement, for without a decent number of Scottish seats at Westminster, they have no chance, whether its Truss or Sunak they are up against, in forming a realistic working majority government in Westminster at the next GE
If this is true then Labour need to get up there and start hitting the pavement, for without a decent number of Scottish seats at Westminster, they have no chance, whether its Truss or Sunak they are up against, in forming a realistic working majority government in Westminster at the next GE
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That's an attack? Look at this dumb bitch, she supports human rights lawyers?
You don't want some secret elitist old men in suits dictating how you live your life, do you?! We're all smart enough to decide how we should exist without rules being forced on us...
Genuinely the weirdest attack I’ve ever heard. I can’t believe this is where we are.
UK - "let's elect a Churchill cosplayer, what's the worst that could happen?"
UK, 3 years later - "Well this has been a total shitshow, what do we do now?
Thatcher cosplayer, anyone?"
UK, 3 years later - "Well this has been a total shitshow, what do we do now?
Thatcher cosplayer, anyone?"
All of this blue on blue sniping is quite helpful to labour I think
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/dorries-mocks-sunak-over-expensive-075929992.html
A whole summer of the candidates taking chunks out of each other leaving Labour free to cut up and edit the best jibes and throw it back out on social media.
And at the end of it, they either get to run against a billionaire tax dodger or Liz Truss... win-win.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/dorries-mocks-sunak-over-expensive-075929992.html
A whole summer of the candidates taking chunks out of each other leaving Labour free to cut up and edit the best jibes and throw it back out on social media.
And at the end of it, they either get to run against a billionaire tax dodger or Liz Truss... win-win.
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Bizarro times we live in.
I don’t particularly like Starmer but what could convince anyone that Truss is a more capable PM?
Imagine earning a basic salary of £84k and thinking that wearing £4.50 earrings and a Primark outfit is a plus point.
It's just shite baiting. There are people with feck all money that rock around in full Gucci tracksuits.