It’s a long term problem caused by consecutive governments which hold the same values, goals, and ambitions. So yes, the root problem is the government. The so-called reverence for idiots in pointy hats actually has nothing to do with it. If people like the royal family then they’re very much entitled to.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
that scarf as a bandanaI don't blame the Tory governments. Tories are gonna Tory. I blame the millions of working people who vote for them and can't see what they are doing.
Yes of course but your issue was with people disliking them for whatever reason, as tenuous as you think it is or not , which they're also very much entitled to.
New Labour were as bad.
The wealth gap has grown massively over the past 12 years there is no getting away from that. I'm not a fan of New Labour but there is a definite difference between Tories and even them.
If anyone is to blame here it's Paul Pogba.
The Queen was very pretty when she was Holly Willoughby's age, by the beauty standards of the time. Let's see what kind of a 96-year-old Holly makes.
Can't argue about the breakfast TV thing.
No it wasn’t. My issue is those who seem to think the monarchy still rule the country and are the root cause of all inequality.
Nobody thinks that.
Nobody thinks that, but they are a nice distillation for the wealth concentration and lack of social mobility that is the issue in society.
They are a very powerful symbol too, even during the parliament run empire it was all done in the name of the crown, so the monarchy's association with power works both ways..
I was reading today that they are exempt from 106 laws that the rest of you need to obey.
Also in the same article it said Charlie officially met with the government 36 times from. 2010 to 2013.
That is a wider issue than just Britain, and I'm not defending the Tories. I despise them.
They’re mascots paraded in gilded cages to suit the needs of the government. No power, no control. I’m sure they do their share of lobbying but there are far more unscrupulous people who do the same, with bigger clout.
If they disappeared off the face of the Earth and all their wealth absorbed by the state it wouldn’t make the slightest bit of difference to me, or to those who are struggling, homeless etc. The nation wouldn’t be better off, the people wouldn’t be better off. That money would be spunked on a private NHS contract for Boris’ mate or corporate tax cuts.
Grand, people are entitled to dislike them for whatever reason they want to, even if it is symbollic, because symbolism is extremely powerful. The argument that the government are worse is not any endorsement for the monarchy in my mind.
And as for the people who should be getting it, it doesn't matter to them whether it's Boris or Charlie that is buying crowns or places on management boards. Just despise them both is my solution
It’s not a case of who’s worse as there’s not really any comparison between the two. Blaming the monarchy for the shit state of this country is like blaming Fred The Red for the sad state of the club in recent years. And there’s a few in this thread who have been doing that.
I don't really watch day time TV, my sisters flatmate was in the production crew on the show a few years ago on This Morning, apparently Schofield was a dickhead with everyone but it was before he came out, not sure if anything changed since.
Don't really know how Holly is, either way they work in TV, they aren't special and shouldn't act like it for hosting a TV show.
The Queen was beautiful in her younger days 100%, issue is we grow up in a generation of makeup artists which gives a false perception of the past.
Put it this way too, genetics haven't changed in hundreds of thousands of years, just fashion and makeup has. I think most of the population is attractive if people take care of themselves, get regular exercise and don't smoke/drink/sunbathe too much because it really ages people.
Genetically ancestors have passed the best genes down the gene pool, so someone must have found our parents/grandparents etc attractive for us to even be here.
You made the comparison, not me. You don't get the dislike or their symbollism, fine. People are not 'wrong' to dislike them whether you understand it or not.
Dear lord no!
I didn’t say it’s wrong to dislike them. People are free to like or dislike who they want. You seem to be dragging this conversation back to the same basic point so I’ll leave it there.
Apologies, I thought you were questioning why people disliked them.
Genetics are always changing, biological evolution hasn't stopped because society has evolved.
Random mutations yes and different combinations of genes, but we're hardly neanderthals at this point
We never were Neanderthals.
There's Neanderthal and Denisovan genes in the low percentages of the European population, but its the Queen thread so we should probably talk about the Royal Genes and Charles Sausage fingers
That's his Reptilian human suit malfunctioning.There's Neanderthal and Denisovan genes in the low percentages of the European population, but its the Queen thread so we should probably talk about the Royal Genes and Charles Sausage fingers
I wonder if his blood pressure is OK. He also has a high colour, he's always very red in the face.
Good lord he's a flap tucker.
I came close to joining in with the booing at the Scotland match this week. Not because I'm happy she's dead but because it was another minutes applause/silence. She's gone, the funeral is behind us, its time to move on. Also wasn't comfortable with it given what Ukraine are currently going through.
That’s the alcohol.
If you look carefully, you can see that those pockets don't have flaps because they've never been unstitched. He has no need for pockets, he has flunkies who carry everything.
This is what I don’t understand about the outrage going on around the Scotland booing. The ten days of mourning has passed, the funeral has passed. That’s more than enough time to give applauses and minute silences as we observed. There’s no need for it to continue on after.
I am so glad I am not in England during all of this. I was so annoyed they cancelled all the games. And then United games twice. I certainly didn’t hate the Queen, but I’m also definitely a staunch anti-royalist.
The day before I had watched The Imitation Game. I was still fuming from how a true hero, Alan Turing, was reviled and hounded by the British establishment through to his death. And then to see such, seemingly endless, deference to a royal. I know giving her the same treatment he got, doesn’t right the wrong, so I’m not advocating for that. But I have found this endless, sycophantic mourning to be quite sickening.
The day before I had watched The Imitation Game. I was still fuming from how a true hero, Alan Turing, was reviled and hounded by the British establishment through to his death. And then to see such, seemingly endless, deference to a royal. I know giving her the same treatment he got, doesn’t right the wrong, so I’m not advocating for that. But I have found this endless, sycophantic mourning to be quite sickening.
Honestly, I'm like, is that a euphemism? Is that another something the young folks say today that I'm gonna pretend I understand by not saying anything but just nod. Oh yeah, that's some flap tucking. Top tucking!
You're streets behind, oates.
But I'm streets ahead too. Before you had your soppy memes we had making hand gestures. Can you guess which one I'm doing now?
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