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Nobody thinks that, but they are a nice distillation for the wealth concentration and lack of social mobility that is the issue in society.

They are a very powerful symbol too, even during the parliament run empire it was all done in the name of the crown, so the monarchy's association with power works both ways..

I was reading today that they are exempt from 106 laws that the rest of you need to obey.

Also in the same article it said Charlie officially met with the government 36 times from. 2010 to 2013.
They’re mascots paraded in gilded cages to suit the needs of the government. No power, no control. I’m sure they do their share of lobbying but there are far more unscrupulous people who do the same, with bigger clout.

If they disappeared off the face of the Earth and all their wealth absorbed by the state it wouldn’t make the slightest bit of difference to me, or to those who are struggling, homeless etc. The nation wouldn’t be better off, the people wouldn’t be better off. That money would be spunked on a private NHS contract for Boris’ mate or corporate tax cuts.
 

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They’re mascots paraded in gilded cages to suit the needs of the government. No power, no control. I’m sure they do their share of lobbying but there are far more unscrupulous people who do the same, with bigger clout.

If they disappeared off the face of the Earth and all their wealth absorbed by the state it wouldn’t make the slightest bit of difference to me, or to those who are struggling, homeless etc. The nation wouldn’t be better off, the people wouldn’t be better off. That money would be spunked on a private NHS contract for Boris’ mate or corporate tax cuts.

Grand, people are entitled to dislike them for whatever reason they want to, even if it is symbollic, because symbolism is extremely powerful. The argument that the government are worse is not any endorsement for the monarchy in my mind.

And as for the people who should be getting it, it doesn't matter to them whether it's Boris or Charlie that is buying crowns or places on management boards. Just despise them both is my solution
 

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Grand, people are entitled to dislike them for whatever reason they want to, even if it is symbollic, because symbolism is extremely powerful. The argument that the government are worse is not any endorsement for the monarchy in my mind.
It’s not a case of who’s worse as there’s not really any comparison between the two. Blaming the monarchy for the shit state of this country is like blaming Fred The Red for the sad state of the club in recent years. And there’s a few in this thread who have been doing that.
 

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Holly Willoughby is beautiful and provides excellent early day television entertainment, yet gets slaughtered for acting like she's above others, and we also don't let her be Queen
Queen wasn't beautiful, didn't provide early day television entertainment, yet we as a society lift her above others and let her be Queen.
Hmmm
I don't really watch day time TV, my sisters flatmate was in the production crew on the show a few years ago on This Morning, apparently Schofield was a dickhead with everyone but it was before he came out, not sure if anything changed since.

Don't really know how Holly is, either way they work in TV, they aren't special and shouldn't act like it for hosting a TV show.

The Queen was beautiful in her younger days 100%, issue is we grow up in a generation of makeup artists which gives a false perception of the past.

Put it this way too, genetics haven't changed in hundreds of thousands of years, just fashion and makeup has. I think most of the population is attractive if people take care of themselves, get regular exercise and don't smoke/drink/sunbathe too much because it really ages people.

Genetically ancestors have passed the best genes down the gene pool, so someone must have found our parents/grandparents etc attractive for us to even be here.
 

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I have no idea either, yet.
It’s not a case of who’s worse as there’s not really any comparison between the two. Blaming the monarchy for the shit state of this country is like blaming Fred The Red for the sad state of the club in recent years. And there’s a few in this thread who have been doing that.
You made the comparison, not me. You don't get the dislike or their symbollism, fine. People are not 'wrong' to dislike them whether you understand it or not.
 

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You made the comparison, not me. You don't get the dislike or their symbollism, fine. People are not 'wrong' to dislike them whether you understand it or not.
I didn’t say it’s wrong to dislike them. People are free to like or dislike who they want. You seem to be dragging this conversation back to the same basic point so I’ll leave it there.
 

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I didn’t say it’s wrong to dislike them. People are free to like or dislike who they want. You seem to be dragging this conversation back to the same basic point so I’ll leave it there.

Apologies, I thought you were questioning why people disliked them.
 

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I don't really watch day time TV, my sisters flatmate was in the production crew on the show a few years ago on This Morning, apparently Schofield was a dickhead with everyone but it was before he came out, not sure if anything changed since.

Don't really know how Holly is, either way they work in TV, they aren't special and shouldn't act like it for hosting a TV show.

The Queen was beautiful in her younger days 100%, issue is we grow up in a generation of makeup artists which gives a false perception of the past.

Put it this way too, genetics haven't changed in hundreds of thousands of years, just fashion and makeup has. I think most of the population is attractive if people take care of themselves, get regular exercise and don't smoke/drink/sunbathe too much because it really ages people.

Genetically ancestors have passed the best genes down the gene pool, so someone must have found our parents/grandparents etc attractive for us to even be here.
Genetics are always changing, biological evolution hasn't stopped because society has evolved.
 

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We never were Neanderthals.
There's Neanderthal and Denisovan genes in the low percentages of the European population, but its the Queen thread so we should probably talk about the Royal Genes and Charles Sausage fingers :D

 

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There's Neanderthal and Denisovan genes in the low percentages of the European population, but its the Queen thread so we should probably talk about the Royal Genes and Charles Sausage fingers :D

That's his Reptilian human suit malfunctioning.
 

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I came close to joining in with the booing at the Scotland match this week. Not because I'm happy she's dead but because it was another minutes applause/silence. She's gone, the funeral is behind us, its time to move on. Also wasn't comfortable with it given what Ukraine are currently going through.
 

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I came close to joining in with the booing at the Scotland match this week. Not because I'm happy she's dead but because it was another minutes applause/silence. She's gone, the funeral is behind us, its time to move on. Also wasn't comfortable with it given what Ukraine are currently going through.
This is what I don’t understand about the outrage going on around the Scotland booing. The ten days of mourning has passed, the funeral has passed. That’s more than enough time to give applauses and minute silences as we observed. There’s no need for it to continue on after.
 

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I am so glad I am not in England during all of this. I was so annoyed they cancelled all the games. And then United games twice. I certainly didn’t hate the Queen, but I’m also definitely a staunch anti-royalist.

The day before I had watched The Imitation Game. I was still fuming from how a true hero, Alan Turing, was reviled and hounded by the British establishment through to his death. And then to see such, seemingly endless, deference to a royal. I know giving her the same treatment he got, doesn’t right the wrong, so I’m not advocating for that. But I have found this endless, sycophantic mourning to be quite sickening.
 

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Good lord he's a flap tucker.
Honestly, I'm like, is that a euphemism? Is that another something the young folks say today that I'm gonna pretend I understand by not saying anything but just nod. Oh yeah, that's some flap tucking. Top tucking!
 

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You're streets behind, oates.
But I'm streets ahead too. Before you had your soppy memes we had making hand gestures. Can you guess which one I'm doing now?
 

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Reported.

Spoiler that shit will ya?
 
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Our late Queen was always very much aware of the need to be highly visible in public -seen to be believed - and always wore distinctive brightly coloured clothes and hats for that purpose.
The new King Charles, wearing either military uniform or a suit, does not stand out very easily from the crowd.
Perhaps now that the mourning period is coming to an end he could make some small changes, like wearing a brightly coloured tie and handkerchief in his pocket?

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If you look carefully, you can see that those pockets don't have flaps because they've never been unstitched. He has no need for pockets, he has flunkies who carry everything.
I disagree, Penna. Those pockets have had the stitching cut and the King has gone and tucked the flaps in. Clear as day. I've never seen a suit jacket without flaps but they all come tucked in and stitched shut. He clearly has a need for pockets and that is to tuck his flaps, although he probably has some flunky do that for him, too.

Honestly, I'm like, is that a euphemism? Is that another something the young folks say today that I'm gonna pretend I understand by not saying anything but just nod. Oh yeah, that's some flap tucking. Top tucking!
:lol: sadly it's no euphemism oates, just plain old tucking in of the pocket flaps on his jacket. Strange behaviour imhco.
 

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I disagree, Penna. Those pockets have had the stitching cut and the King has gone and tucked the flaps in. Clear as day. I've never seen a suit jacket without flaps but they all come tucked in and stitched shut. He clearly has a need for pockets and that is to tuck his flaps, although he probably has some flunky do that for him, too.



:lol: sadly it's no euphemism oates, just plain old tucking in of the pocket flaps on his jacket. Strange behaviour imhco.
This has potential to be the most pointless argument in Caf history if we ramp the rhetoric up a bit. I'll start.

It would be bizarre to think those pockets have flaps that are tucked in. Only a moron could think that.

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