Don't think there's been any news today but tomorrow should be a big day. So far what's happened is Wolff and Binotto putting as much pressure on the FIA as they possibly can in order to get Red Bull the maximum penalty if they are deemed to have broken the cost cap, and they (especially Wolff) are doing it in ways that would leave them with a lot of egg on their face if Red Bull are handed a certificate. Personally I think there should be an investigation into the "leaks" coming from the FIA. That's if there even are leaks and it's not just Toto being the shite stirrer he is which at this point is just as likely.
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I'm certain at this point that RBR have broken the cost cap thanks to a loop hole but I doubt we will see a big penalty, FIA will probably reduce wind tunnel testing for RBR or at worst reduce their budget cap for the following year.
From $10m to just over $100k, what a desperate clown Toto has become
Looks like AM are in for a big points deduction though
Looks like AM are in for a big points deduction though
@hobbers where are you getting your news?
It's not confirmed, it's twitter.
Some french journalist echoing what Ted was saying last night. Red Bull breach is procedural, not even minor, and they'll get a fine.
AM $4m over and will get a fine, wind tunnel reduction and 100 points deducted, 50 from last year 50 from this year.
Not confirmed yet but enough different people seem to have heard the same thing.
I want it to be true because AM finishing this season bottom on -13 points, after overspending by $4m, will be absolutely hilarious
I found this, not a from what I call a rock solid source.
final figure could now tip over the threshold following an assessment by the FIA to a sum that amounts to under £2m.
It is expected Red Bull will argue that the extra money spent was not directly related to the production of their car and was for other items such as canteen food at the factory, sick pay or wages for staff placed on gardening leave.
Merc are likely to counter that should have been included from the start.
OK if this is true, them in the expensive world of F1, it can be seen as minor.
If Toto has gone on a rant because of rumour and hearsay and that's what it looks like, then Horner does have a valid point and yeah maybe the FIA should take some action against Toto, but what is another matter or even if, Ferrari did the same, just not quite as vocal.
final figure could now tip over the threshold following an assessment by the FIA to a sum that amounts to under £2m.
It is expected Red Bull will argue that the extra money spent was not directly related to the production of their car and was for other items such as canteen food at the factory, sick pay or wages for staff placed on gardening leave.
Merc are likely to counter that should have been included from the start.
OK if this is true, them in the expensive world of F1, it can be seen as minor.
If Toto has gone on a rant because of rumour and hearsay and that's what it looks like, then Horner does have a valid point and yeah maybe the FIA should take some action against Toto, but what is another matter or even if, Ferrari did the same, just not quite as vocal.
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Sky F1 is now reporting
'Minor' breaches made but all teams to avoid severe punishments for 2021 limits
No Formula 1 team is set to face severe punishment for breaking budget cap regulations after only "minor" breaches were made.
'Minor' breaches made but all teams to avoid severe punishments for 2021 limits
No Formula 1 team is set to face severe punishment for breaking budget cap regulations after only "minor" breaches were made.
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Without any new info and based on Craig Slater's "understanding" so no real source. Still nothing by the FIA.
correct, we wait for the FIA announcement.
Release of cost cap certificates delayed until Monday October 10: https://www.fia.com/news/fia-statement-financial-regulations-0.
The FIA is an absolute joke of an organization.
The FIA is an absolute joke of an organization.
The fact that they keep delaying this shows that they are trying to do damage reduction. 0% chance they actually hand out any meaningful penalties.
The last part is especially funny. If not for a leak at the FIA, how would they know anything about the financials of other teams? The alternative is Wolff and Binotto are making it all up. The allegations against FIA personnel are based on their statements too so if what Wolff and Binotto have said turns out to be false I imagine the FIA would like a word with them and if I were Red Bull or Aston Martin I'd definitely go after them for slander. They should have just kept their mouths shut untill after the process had finished.
I agree, this bit " The FIA also reiterates that any suggestion that FIA personnel have disclosed sensitive information is equally baseless. " is bollocks.
From what I can find it was started by Italian reporters, how did they get it?
Toto and Binotto m\y have heard the rumors and like Chinese whispers may have misheard or lets say exaggerated the over spend, out and out make it up nah I dont think that.
I also agree that the FIA will want a word with both of them and yes they should have kept it shut, has much as I dont want to agree with Horner, he does have a very valid point.
If found to be false, what can the FIA do to them , fine them, the team, suspend them for a number of race, I have no idea.
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Toto got it from his lawyer same as with the TD bollocks that she was overseeing.
Is that the circuit where Mansell had that blow out on the start/finish straight with the chicane at the end of it?
Its ferrari oil burning all over again. Hush stuff up and zero transparacy.
F1 is no longer meaningfully regulated. It is ran purely for entertainment with no integrity.
Agree actually. I'm thinking of walking away and I've been watching for more than 25 years.. It's more entertainment than sport these days.
It's turning into WWE ... They will have to start calling it race entertainment soon
Probably won't happen but I'd like to see Ferrari and merc retire cars on lap 1 for the rest of the season as a protest
If (when) no meaningful action is taken its clearly going to taint last year this year and at least next year
That said with the Ferrari fuel thing and giving max the title it's seems to be the racing is secondary to giving a good narrative to drive to survive
Are the manufactures fully committed to 2026 if not they should withdraw and set up their own championship
i don’t think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that horner has pulled a “freaky friday” and managed to swap places with aston martin and throw them under the bus.
i made peace with that after the debacle at the end of last year. it still can be fun to watch cars racing round but when the fundamental rules of any sport can be twisted as to generate an outcome, then sport loses its meaning. when the governing body is complicit in that then who knows what they’ll do in future.
I've already stopped watching every single race this year, why bother when there's no honest competition anymore.
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There are two very contradicting rumors at this point and we have no idea what the truth is. Claiming that one of them is true and then trowing all the toys out the pram because you don't like that truth doesn't really seem like a good way to go.
Bit of an overreaction in here with regards to the budget cap and the FIA in my opinion. If Wolff hadn't prematurely ejaculated there wouldn't have been such a fuss. Which is exactly what Wolff wants of course being the dirt cnut that he is. The FIA taking their time to finish the investigation properly isn't a bad thing. Many on here have already made their minds up on the outcome without anything to back that up except Masi fecking up last year. I get that last year has put a dent in the faith in the FIA but that doesn't mean it's one massive conspiracy. The FIA will share the outcome of their investigation on Monday and as long as they are transparent to the teams about how they got there there really isn't much of an issue except for the potential leak and the subsequent behaviour from Wolff (and to a lesser extent Ferrari) of course.
Tl;dr: I'm with @Zlaatan . Stop throwing your toys out the pram.
Tl;dr: I'm with @Zlaatan . Stop throwing your toys out the pram.
If there was cut and dry compliance with the rules, and F1 felt they were not opening themselves up to any legal issues, they surely would have made the announcement already? Why not?Bit of an overreaction in here with regards to the budget cap and the FIA in my opinion. If Wolff hadn't prematurely ejaculated there wouldn't have been such a fuss. Which is exactly what Wolff wants of course being the dirt cnut that he is. The FIA taking their time to finish the investigation properly isn't a bad thing. Many on here have already made their minds up on the outcome without anything to back that up except Masi fecking up last year. I get that last year has put a dent in the faith in the FIA but that doesn't mean it's one massive conspiracy. The FIA will share the outcome of their investigation on Monday and as long as they are transparent to the teams about how they got there there really isn't much of an issue except for the potential leak and the subsequent behaviour from Wolff (and to a lesser extent Ferrari) of course.
Tl;dr: I'm with @Zlaatan . Stop throwing your toys out the pram.
I think it is fairly logical to assume that there is something controversial, either with the interpretation of the rules or with the punishment for breaking them.
My complete guess going by press leaks, is that AM and RB were at least marginally over budget due to finding loopholes (e.g. accounting for very expensive sandwiches), and their rivals (the entire paddock) aren't happy and are ready to go nuclear, given the severe and long-lasting financial and development implications.
I agree with a lot of the above, but a well run organization does not announce on the day of a release that the information will be delayed by 5 days. Its Rule 1 of any management communications text book is: let people know about delays as soon as possible. Its pretty clear to me the delay is not because they have 5 days work left to do (they would have known about this last week), its because something is going on that's delaying it. Might be rumours, but by far the most likely is there's horse-trading going on over the penalties. Its this kind of basic incompetence that calls into question everything the FIA does.Bit of an overreaction in here with regards to the budget cap and the FIA in my opinion. If Wolff hadn't prematurely ejaculated there wouldn't have been such a fuss. Which is exactly what Wolff wants of course being the dirt cnut that he is. The FIA taking their time to finish the investigation properly isn't a bad thing. Many on here have already made their minds up on the outcome without anything to back that up except Masi fecking up last year. I get that last year has put a dent in the faith in the FIA but that doesn't mean it's one massive conspiracy. The FIA will share the outcome of their investigation on Monday and as long as they are transparent to the teams about how they got there there really isn't much of an issue except for the potential leak and the subsequent behaviour from Wolff (and to a lesser extent Ferrari) of course.
Tl;dr: I'm with @Zlaatan . Stop throwing your toys out the pram.
However, its certainly true than Hanlon's Razor could well apply here: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Do I think the FIA are institutionally corrupt? No. Do I think they're completely incompetent? Absolutely.
Yeah it was totally only that last race. Not the 100 other incidents that the FIA fecked the fans over throughout the last years. Be it 2 Laps at SPA, insisting sprint races are worth anything, coming up with the most ridiculous explanations and excuses for Masi (The rules apply until the race director says they don't), not knowing whether every means all or just someBit of an overreaction in here with regards to the budget cap and the FIA in my opinion. If Wolff hadn't prematurely ejaculated there wouldn't have been such a fuss. Which is exactly what Wolff wants of course being the dirt cnut that he is. The FIA taking their time to finish the investigation properly isn't a bad thing. Many on here have already made their minds up on the outcome without anything to back that up except Masi fecking up last year. I get that last year has put a dent in the faith in the FIA but that doesn't mean it's one massive conspiracy. The FIA will share the outcome of their investigation on Monday and as long as they are transparent to the teams about how they got there there really isn't much of an issue except for the potential leak and the subsequent behaviour from Wolff (and to a lesser extent Ferrari) of course.
Tl;dr: I'm with @Zlaatan . Stop throwing your toys out the pram.
.Slightly dented my ass. The FIA has become about as believable as Putin. Even just this weekend it's a 5s penalty until it's not. There's no races without FIA feck up anymore.
They could hire Truss to manage the whole thing and it would actually improve
Same. Been watching since early 90s. The lack of integrity shown by the sport over the last couplw of years is off putting. I like a fair fight, regardless.of who wins. That hasn't been the case recently. I've not watched most of the races this year.
They turned it into WWE when the ref (massi) hit Hamilton from behind with a chair and gave the belt to max
Does the outcome of the 2 questions above differ? No.
Ultimately the outcome is the same regardless of the FIA motivation or incompetence.
Will Mercedes fans ever run out of toys to throw out their pram?
I'm not saying the outcome is different. I'm just saying whilt I do believe they will feck this up I don't buy into the conspiracy theories.
Its also come to the point where if the FIA say "no cap was broken", I will believe the other team principals who will all be intimately familiar with how much things cost. You have them all saying they had to stop on the current cars over the summer and RB have brought update after update after update and no-one can figure out how they're affording it.
The reason I will choose to believe this is because of what I said before, the FIA are incompetent and will never reverse a world championship, even if they should. Let's say it turrned out RB had spent $7m over cap, I still think the FIA wouldn't reverse a championship, even though in that case it would be the only reasonable outcome. Lance Armtstrong didn't get to keep his titles, Juventus didn't get to keep their titles after calciopoli, Olympians regularly lose medals when they're caught doping. Anything short of disqualification would be a disgrace.
You should try coming up with a 2nd insult.
Would be a bit cruel when the first lands so squarely on the nose.
It would be funnier if the team benefiting from all this wasn't an actual toy of one rich Austrian
So it’s all because the wrong Austrian billionaire is winning with their plaything?It would be funnier if the team benefiting from all this wasn't an actual toy of one rich Austrian
It would be funnier if the team benefiting from all this wasn't an actual toy of one rich Austrian
yeah not like a proper fan owned team such as Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 racing.Finally you get it
Exactly.