You're still here not backing down
He's won every trophy available to him - they were going to win the league before covid hit btw.Would you rather United won the FA cup, League cup and EL in one season than just the CL? I know what I'd take.
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He's won every trophy available to him - they were going to win the league before covid hit btw.Would you rather United won the FA cup, League cup and EL in one season than just the CL? I know what I'd take.
99.9999% of the Pool fans would disagree with you ... The debate was settled the day he won the League. He has also won FAC, LC and CL while playing a style 100 times better than Rafa/Houllier.
There is a heck of a lot of difference between one of, if not THE single best goalscoring machine ever in the history of football, and Salah....
The covid trophy will always have an "*" by the side of it, no matter what, as people were far more concerned with events outside of football, even footballers were.You're still here not backing down
Would you rather United won the FA cup, League cup and EL in one season than just the CL? I know what I'd take.
Players, staff etc, their mind was not fully on that season, so that "win" has to be put to one side.
As for your question in the second part, having experienced winning our treble lowering myself to just either of those is hard to do, but for me personally, since you asked myself on a personal level, I would rather the three trophies in a season than one.
Nice that you have taken your time to survey and ask as many Liverpool fans as possible to come up with your conclusion there.....how many Liverpool fans did you ask, just out of interest??
Honestly, this is a silly argument. We were talking about Klopp's achievements not what was on peoples minds at the time - they were 25 pts clear when lockdown started.
Fair enough if you'd prefer the 3 trophies, I think most would rather have one CL though.
The point still stands, people were far more concerned about their health and other people's health during that season, it wasn't a season that was played under the same conditions as each season prior and since.
So it needs to be put to one side, to be thought of differently to each and every team that has won a league title.
It is completely irrelevant how many points clear they were, scientifically, that season as a whole was not played under the same circumstances.
So that is why their "win" has to come with an "*" by the side of it.
You may be right but it is more than 10 years since Chelsea were bankrolled by Russian Money and no one has forgotten.
I agree that Klopp is safe for now, but if they keep regressing and they finish outside the top 4 or struggle to finish in the top 4 this season, to quote Eddie Murphy, next season will be a whole lot of “what have you done for me lately?”.
That’s a fair point, it is a results business and it’s hard to argue with what you’ve said.
A lot of media giddiness over their win last night against arguably one of the weakest 3 sides in the CL this season.
I recall similar when they beat Bournemouth 9-0 which according to pundits and journalists was a sign they were back.... said with a chortle at the very idea they weren't the best side currently playing football anywhere in the world, with the best manager and most humble and knowledgeable fans of all time.
I recall similar when they beat Bournemouth 9-0 which according to pundits and journalists was a sign they were back.... said with a chortle at the very idea they weren't the best side currently playing football anywhere in the world, with the best manager and most humble and knowledgeable fans of all time.
A couple of days ago I walked through all of Merseyside and spoke to about 10,000 season ticket holders. Only 1 person said they wanted Klopp out. I think it’s a fair sample size.
Yeah.....Good try.....
It’s been many days and this trolling is still going on, no one could honestly believe even half the shit I’m reading in here.
To be fair, we need Liverpool to rack up big wins every now and again otherwise hope evaporates and they stop believing, and we all know it’s no fun giving them shit when they’re resigned to their own shitness.
I thinks it's common sense that Klopp has been more successful than Rafa or Houlier. The main difference is the Premier league title. And let's face it, if it wasn't for the incredible city team, they'd have won 3 of those. Plus they reached 2 ucl finals.
I think the media do it on purpose. They want it to try and look like they are 'back' in time for the City game. It will be funny when Haaland puts 4 past them at Anfield on Sunday.
He's entertaining tbh. Proper Houllier fan. Not many of those around anymore.
As much as it pains me to see City win, I would make an exception if they could utterly humiliate Liverpool on Sunday. 0-5 or better would be lovely.
I am probably a very minute minority, but I absolutely abhor the financial doping of City, and would always root for a 'proper', 'traditional' club to win over them. Liverpool and their fans are intolerable of course, but ideologically I can never support City to triumph above them also.
I am not from the UK, if that matters.
I am not from the UK, if that matters.
Their "title" was during a period when football was the very last thing on people's minds, people at that time were seeing family members die, and being taken to hospital on a regular basis.
Football behind closed doors on a regular basis isn't football.
People back then were just happy to be alive, so thinking about a league title or whatnot didn't really register, and wasn't important.
So their "win" has to be put to one side, ot is simply impossible to put it in the same light or same category as every other league title that has been won by themselves, and other clubs.
So with thar in mind, a Klopp like Houiller am Rafa has won cups as the highlight of his time as Liverpool boss.
Rafa's Champions League win was against a very, very good AC Milan side, Klopp's against Spurs, so Rafa comes out on top there.
Houiller won 3 trophies in one season, including a European one, and we know how hard that is to do (we obviously surpassed it), so that success is something that Klopp has yet to match.
As for finishing second to City, Rafa finished above us under Sir Alex if I am remembering correctly, which is a vastly superior achievement to finishing second to City, as Sir Alex is a vastly superior manager to Pep.
So, no matter how you wish to look at things, Klopp is the third best Liverpool manager of modern times (Bob Paisley is obviously their best ever one).
Let's not forget Liverpool had Moore's pools money funding them in the 1970s/80s.
For now it’s amusing that Liverpool have been denied an era of domination by cheats but it can’t stay that way forever. The cheats, whether it be City or Newcastle, will eventually become as annoying to us, as well as literally kill the game.
No one gives a toss who will win the English Premier League in a race between Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia.
No one gives a toss who will win the English Premier League in a race between Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia.
If it wasn’t for the winners every season, the second place team would have won it, in other words. You’re Michael Owen and I claim my £5.
A lot of the kids who grow up in this era will become their fans and that will help sustain it unfortunately.
When Pep eventually leaves city might wobble for a season or two, but they'll find a new Pep and be back up there fast.
When Pep eventually leaves city might wobble for a season or two, but they'll find a new Pep and be back up there fast.
This is embarrassing.
Such a bizarre post, we want the best chance for top 4 possible so of course from a footballing perspective people would want City to win.
But whatever helps you sleep at night.
this is either an embarrassing opinion literally no one shares or a funny troll.
How so?
Just because I seemingly have a different opinion to you, that makes it "embarrassing"??
It is neither "an embarrassing opinion" or "a funny troll", it is quite the opposite, a calmly put together, well thought out post.
Yes, that is how much we hate your cnut club.
Klopp has surpassed both Houlier and FSW. He has their first title in 30 something years covid or not. He has two second place finishes with 90 plus points and two cl final losses. Those are brilliant achievements. Also has a fa cup , carling cup and a cl. It's not close. This is the best Liverpool team between the three versions and it's not close. Those other two teams were relying on trash like carragher.
It really, really, really, really, really, really, really isn’t.
Nobody cares about city, they’re a hollow meaningless nothing of a club with an asterisk next to everything they win. Hopefully they twat you 8-0.
"The league title doesn't count because of covid" is the most embarrassing cope in the history of coping.
Hello...? Are you trying to say something? Sorry, can't hear you from this half of the table.
Unless you're on the windup, this has to be the worst take on football ever seen on this forum.
Klopp took an absolutely middling Liverpool to become a phenomenal team who were super unlucky to face a financially doped City with one of the all time greats as manager.
The league and European Cup could easily have been 2 more of each. They lost two finals for one thing.
They almost won the quadruple last year, 30mins from winning the league and losing the final.
So to try and say the two other managers were better, neither who won a league is outrageous.
This is utter horse manure.
Covid kicked in around March and the title was done and dusted, they had a massive lead.
It was the next season that was the odd one, the below closed doors for most games but some crowds here and there.
That season they lost tonnes of games and just about scraped 4th.
It was quite popular on here around the time. But most reasonable people have moved on from it.