How excited are you about the World Cup?

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So for you because it's the rule imposed by evil people we all should comply despite the rule is fecking wrong? How about the people who fought and died against the corrupted absolute monarchies so you can have your democracy and freedom of speech today? Those are all bloody idiots too? Or the very German people who fought and died against the Nazis are all bloody idiots too? There were countless brave people who sacrificed themselves for a better world we have today and you call them bloody idiots?

Being ignorant and a coward yourself is one thing but calling other brave people who dare to stand up and fight against what's wrong idiots is completely out of line. You're on my ignored list now don't bother to reply. Btw how the feck you have a score of 1 and still being a full member :confused:
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Thst isn’t what I’ve said at all! Nothing is going to change until the religion and laws are modernised. In the mean time any homosexual person is likely to be murdered there for protesting etc.

They believe that homosexuality is a forbidden sin in the eyes of their God. It doesn’t matter if you have one protestor or a million. Nothing will change until their is a reformation of their religion.

How dare you call me a coward. I have never called anybody a coward. I had two grandfathers that fought in WW2. One that travelled through the Belsen concentration camp and one that fought at Dunkirk. I stand with anybody that fights against tyranny and evil. Unfortunately any form of protesting in Qatar is just going to result in lots of full body bags for homosexuals. It’s despicable but it’s the reality of the situation.
 

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Not excited at all. Won’t be watching. FIFA ruining the whole WC experience for me.
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Should be ruined for everyone. But the wheels on the bus go round and round.

Even if the next WC was in Iran I imagine most would flock to it like mindless livestock.
 

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Not in the slightest bit arsed. It's a humanitarian shambles.
 

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Feels like a preseason tournament. Will mostly watch the Argentina games and the later knock out games
 

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How is the Guardian's investigate journalism nonindependent?

On the bolded, isn't it a bit late for that? The World Cup is literally about to start - the spotlight is on Qatar more now than it will be once the World Cup is over, and Amnesty are still saying mistreatment of migrant workers is rife. Why would it improve after the World Cup?
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Did you read the link I posted? Absolutely clear that nowhere near 6500 have died building stadia in Qatar - Id be surprised if the true figure was even 10% of that

The Guardian themselves had to change the article as it was clearly sensationalist click bait:
"The heading and sub-heading on this article were amended on 2 March 2021 to clarify that the figure for 6,500 deaths covers the 10-year period since Qatar was awarded the Word Cup."​

So basically the number is every migrant worker who died over a decade in Qatar - not even just those in construction and abolutely not just those working on World Cup related projects.


Not it's not too late at all - it is several years since this issue was first bought up and as I understand it there have been reforms and improvements for migrant workers already due to Amnesty etc highlighting the issue, Im sure more needs to be done though so hopefully that continues

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Well at this stage all we can do is hope but I'm not sure that will be of much comfort to the families of the men that have had to die so a football tournament can take place in a desert.
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Just to make the point that the idea that all these overseas workers were sent to Qatar just due to the World Cup is not true - there were huge construction projects going on in Qatar long before they ever got the World Cup and there will be many long after the WC is finished too.

And before Qatar, the likes of Dubai and Abu Dhabi built all their shiny new building with similar migrant workforce working under slave like conditions with many deaths. Plus now you have Saudi Arabia pushing for even bigger projects and again most of the workforce comes from the Indian subcontintent so its an issue that started long before the World Cup was ever awarded and will continue for long after.
 

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Zero. We have Fernando Santos as a manager and a pre-retired forward in our strating 11.
 

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Not excited at all and I'm surprised. I knew it would be a farce but it's surpassing my expectations.

I'll watch where I can because there's virtually no other sport at the time - tennis is done, too early for wintersports and of course no other football
 

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I'm not excited at all. Wrong time of the year. All the issues surrounding Qatar. Most of the recent International football matches I have watched have all been meh quality.

First time since I was a young child that I'm not interested or excited and likely won't watch it.
 

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Hate the timing of it, hate that it's played in Qatar, but with Van Gaal back and Serbia playing some proper attacking football under a good coach (for the first time ever) I have to say I'm starting to get really excited after all. Also very curious how our lads will do, hope Antony will play the tournament of his life.
 

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Not excited at all and I'm surprised. I knew it would be a farce but it's surpassing my expectations.

I'll watch where I can because there's virtually no other sport at the time - tennis is done, too early for wintersports and of course no other football
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Your post made me think I might watch some games from The Championship but even that's off! I didn't know. League One is the best offering on Sky.
 

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Yeah and the guy protesting will have known that but did it anyway. It wasn't so long ago that women had less rights and Homosexuality was illegal in a lot of western countries. That changed as did peoples attitudes because a lot of people stood up for their rights and protested.

If the world ignored backwards attitudes, the world would never change.
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Western influences have had much flexibility due to democratic / liberalisation influences and unions which have also effected legislation. With a country which is fundamentally a sovereign state that changes the whole dynamic to the extent where there's no comparison. The issue is that Qatar should have never been the host nation of the WC due to the proceedings which were fraudulent.
 

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Just to make the point that the idea that all these overseas workers were sent to Qatar just due to the World Cup is not true - there were huge construction projects going on in Qatar long before they ever got the World Cup and there will be many long after the WC is finished too.

And before Qatar, the likes of Dubai and Abu Dhabi built all their shiny new building with similar migrant workforce working under slave like conditions with many deaths. Plus now you have Saudi Arabia pushing for even bigger projects and again most of the workforce comes from the Indian subcontintent so its an issue that started long before the World Cup was ever awarded and will continue for long after.
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I am aware mate, I'm sure most people are.

Given that you said you hope the World Cup can shine a light on the appalling workers rights in Qatar, my reply was obviously referring specifically to the families of people who have died working on the World Cup project.
 

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Western influences have had much flexibility due to democratic / liberalisation influences and unions which have also effected legislation. With a country which is fundamentally a sovereign state that changes the whole dynamic to the extent where there's no comparison. The issue is that Qatar should have never been the host nation of the WC due to the proceedings which were fraudulent.
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Even if they'd somehow won the bid fair and square they still shouldn't have been hosting it.

The World Cup should only be held in countries that can host it in it's traditional summer slot (the idea it'd be ok in summer with the AC stadiums in their original bid was obviously nonsense even at the time). And that's before we get into the appalling conditions they have had people working in and their discrimination towards certain people.
 

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tentan said:
Theyll stick around for 2026
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Ronaldo would be 41. I wouldn’t put it passed him but he’ll be well and truly ancient for an international footballer. Messi will turn 39 mid-tournament.
 

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Most of the traditionally strong teams don't seem as robust this year as they have at previous tournaments. In fact, I think they're collectively at their weakest this time that I remember ever seeing them. There could be room for a big upset, so that'll be interesting. Unlike the Euros, there's never an underdog winner of the World Cup. Croatia came close but were soundly beaten by France, and also had a remarkably easy route to the final. It was downright Liverpoolesque.

Can't deny that I'm also curious to see if there'll be any major controversies related to the location. When Qatar hosted the handball WC some years ago, it was marred by scandals and blatant corruption. Refs were clearly bought to help Qatar get as far as possible, fans of Qatar's opponents were barred entry to the venues, the Qatari team consisted largely of European players who had been paid to take up Qatari citizenship and join their national team, etc. Some of these things can't happen in football, but I'll definitely watch out for any juicy scandals. Got a feeling something crazy will happen. It could (albeit unlikely) be a wake-up call for FIFA to stop selling the sport's integrity.
 

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I'm excited about it but being in the middle of our season does temper that a bit. The WC for me is that chilled out no strings attached thing I watch in the summer once we are done with our season.

But I'm sure once it begins I'll be all in. I've enjoyed WCs more and more since we went shit. As our fall from grace muddies the waters of club football in general for me - nowadays I just watch us and don't bother with the rest. Whereas with the WC I have no attachment so I can watch any match as a genuine neutral without my mood ruined by our results (recently its been good buy I'm talking in general)
 

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So on the BBC footy homepage, Australian players put a video out today condemning xyz. One of their demands (or was it a request) is that a migrant workers resource centre is set up. I know there are stereotypes around Aussies not being the brightest bunch but you would hope that someone would do a little homework...

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opini...aign=Social_Traffic&utm_content=ap_ccuqkl5doo

Qatar have already opened an International Labourers Office.

If Ingerlund win this world cup I wonder if it will not be regarded as a proper win because Qatar have told visitors to respect the laws and customs of their sovereign land.
 

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tentan said:
Theyll stick around for 2026
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Messi doesn't seem like the kind of player obsessed with individual records, i don't see him pushing his career until 39 just to break individual records at international football.

Is more likely Cristiano the one who would happily play until he is 40something just to break more individual records.
 

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About as excited as I've been with the others. I for one hate international football but any football fan who claims they can't be arsed with the biggest most important tournament in the sport, in probably any sport for that matter, isn't a football fan.
 

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About as excited as I've been with the others. I for one hate international football but any football fan who claims they can't be arsed with the biggest most important tournament in the sport, in probably any sport for that matter, isn't a football fan.
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Football does mean a lot of different things to different people, I think it's harsh to say someone isn't a football fan because he doesn't care about this tournament.
 

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I will watch it, of course. Just feels weird to be having it in winter and in Qatar. At the moment my mind is really on United. I'd rate my World Cup excitement at 2/10.
 

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Last WC was in Russia. They had already annexed Crimea, a lot of fans watched it. And most people will watch this one too. Hopefully this leads to a change in the region, hopefully atleast some change
 

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stevoc said:
Even if they'd somehow won the bid fair and square they still shouldn't have been hosting it.

The World Cup should only be held in countries that can host it in it's traditional summer slot (the idea it'd be ok in summer with the AC stadiums in their original bid was obviously nonsense even at the time). And that's before we get into the appalling conditions they have had people working in and their discrimination towards certain people.
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Many of the world’s leagues play through the summer and end around November/December, for various reasons. This is the first time it’s held at their “end of the season”. Yeah it’s weird and we’re not used to it, but football is a global game isn’t it?
 

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International football in general is a lot of shite. It’s not entertaining in the slightest. The World Cup has a couple of redeeming facts; 1: you see teams from different continents that you won’t see for another 4 years and 2: it fills a void in the calendar. But number 2 is not relevant this year, instead you get an organization badly planning the football calendar around it, not respecting the fans, players are falling down injured because of a back log of games and the overall quality on display is down by most teams. You can sense that not every player is giving their all because of the risk of missing the WC.

Honestly the WC is the only time I tend to watch international football. Even the Euros to me is dull but this year, I certainly won’t be making an effort to see any team. I have the utmost faith an England team led by the wet blanket will fall at the quarter finals and so I know I will not be missing anything.
 

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NYAS said:
Many of the world’s leagues play through the summer and end around November/December, for various reasons. This is the first time it’s held at their “end of the season”. Yeah it’s weird and we’re not used to it, but football is a global game isn’t it?
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Only 2nd rate leagues play in the summer and how many players from those leagues will be going to the World Cup? Not many I bet

The timing of this tournament and disruption to the normal football calendar is my major issue with it all
 
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