Ronaldo | Refused to come on as sub, left OT | Axed from squad for Chelsea & fined 2 weeks wages

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JagUTD said:
37 year old with no pre season has poor start to season. Does something stupid and gets punished.

Fans "He's finished, Judas, traitor never done nuffin for United"

His fanboys are bad but so are those who can easily dismiss 7 seasons he has given United, several of which he was our best player and arguably the best in the world.

He has now been punished. So the issue is over and I hope everyone moves forward. A fit, firing Ronaldo is an asset as we saw last season but he has to accept a reduced role. If he does, let's put the past week to bed and back the club, manager and players, which includes Ronaldo
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Those 7 seasons have absolutely no bearing on how he's judged today. He could have scored 2000 goals in those 7 seasons but if he's woeful and harmful to the team's overall play, that's all that will matter. Despite his disgraceful behavior, fans would back him if he was still performing to an acceptable level but he's not and then he goes and does things like he did vs Spurs. Instead, he'll score another goal vs an awful side, his fanboys will think this points to a revival and he may get the confidence to do better and then he'll proceed to be as bad as he has been this season and the cycle continues. I think everyone at the club probably knows and accept Ronaldo has maybe 4-5 games left in his United career and he'll be gone in January so I really find it odd that we continue to give him chances at this point. Rashford emerged through a moment of injury and selection crisis and took his chance in the Europa. Do we have no one in the reserves who can do a half decent job up top?
 
Should of had hat-trick last night. One Bruno knocked down for him in 1st half and one where Eriksen played a 1st time pass in 2nd half and tried bending it in corner but blazed it over in to the Stretford end. Missing chances that were bread and butter for him over the years.
 
JagUTD said:
37 year old with no pre season has poor start to season. Does something stupid and gets punished.

Fans "He's finished, Judas, traitor never done nuffin for United"

His fanboys are bad but so are those who can easily dismiss 7 seasons he has given United, several of which he was our best player and arguably the best in the world.

He has now been punished. So the issue is over and I hope everyone moves forward. A fit, firing Ronaldo is an asset as we saw last season but he has to accept a reduced role. If he does, let's put the past week to bed and back the club, manager and players, which includes Ronaldo
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Source? Can you link me to where someone said this?
 
Needs to start from here on in so shouldn't be an issue now
 
The hypocrisy of our ex players is astounding just because Ronnie is a former team mate. They all said we needed a strong manager who didnt take any shit but as soon as he lays the law down with their old buddy pal...well thats different.
 
JagUTD said:
A fit, firing Ronaldo is an asset as we saw last season
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No he isn’t. We have declined significantly with him both in and out of the side.

In: we run less, we press less, his star struck team mates seek to find him a disproportionate amount of times, our shape is restricted to certain formations, his goal output was not even approaching significant enough to offset the fall off in other players scoring and in our performances generally. His presence in the pitch has not improved us in any way shape or form by any metric.

Off the pitch - speaks for itself. We are a vehicle for him. The head shaking, the supposed dressing room divides, the wanting to leave because HE is too good for US, the threats to release “truths” in the media, the no show for preseason and all subsequent drama…where have the positive been?

a fit and firing Ronaldo is less of a problem, not an asset. He is still a problem overall. Get rid ASAP.
 
JagUTD said:
37 year old with no pre season has poor start to season. Does something stupid and gets punished.

Fans "He's finished, Judas, traitor never done nuffin for United"

His fanboys are bad but so are those who can easily dismiss 7 seasons he has given United, several of which he was our best player and arguably the best in the world.

He has now been punished. So the issue is over and I hope everyone moves forward. A fit, firing Ronaldo is an asset as we saw last season but he has to accept a reduced role. If he does, let's put the past week to bed and back the club, manager and players, which includes Ronaldo
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This is really not that complicated. He misbehaved, got punished, we did move forward and he got back to squad for the easiest game of the season where we could've played without him and still win, but manager gave him a chance because he will be needed still this season. He also needs to pull his weight to get starts, otherwise he will be a sub we make every now and then in serious games.

What he did in 7 seasons for United means very little now, we're building for the future and he isn't a part of the picture. For now he is just a player, an option we have up front like any of our other attackers. Currently he is probably 3rd choice striker, but our 1st choice is out so Ronaldo is getting more game time than he probably deserves with that level of performance he's presenting.
 
captaincantona said:
No he isn’t. We have declined significantly with him both in and out of the side.

In: we run less, we press less, his star struck team mates seek to find him a disproportionate amount of times, our shape is restricted to certain formations, his goal output was not even approaching significant enough to offset the fall off in other players scoring and in our performances generally. His presence in the pitch has not improved us in any way shape or form by any metric.

Off the pitch - speaks for itself. We are a vehicle for him. The head shaking, the supposed dressing room divides, the wanting to leave because HE is too good for US, the threats to release “truths” in the media, the no show for preseason and all subsequent drama…where have the positive been?

a fit and firing Ronaldo is less of a problem, not an asset.
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Exactly. People look at Ronaldo far too simplistically. Football is overwhelmingly a team game now. More than it has ever been.

Last night it was very obvious that we played completely differently with Ronaldo on the pitch. Everyone is so desperate to pick him out constantly even when there are far better options.
 
lsd said:
Needs to start from here on in so shouldn't be an issue now
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I don't know. I won't mind him as long as he contributes but in the last match he didn't look sharp. Normally I'd say it's because of him having no preseason but it's been months now and he doesn't look any better.
 
TheReligion said:
I think most normal United fans can have lost some respect for Ronaldo but still support him and perhaps feel he needs to work and earn what was lost back.

Its in everyone’s benefit that he’s reintegrated and tows the line EtH sets. He’s publicly lost this battle and the manager, club and players have stuck together. If Ronaldo keeps his head down and contributes there should be no issue and those who continue to make one clearly have another agenda.
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I personally feel like it's beyond just his stunts against Tottenham, it's the sheer selfishness that throws me off.

I feel bad for his teammates who seem genuinely overjoyed to see him succeed (God knows how hard they try to feed him and whenever he scores they're all ecstatic to see him bang in a goal), but I don't see that sentiment reciprocated.

When others score he isn't particularly happy. Couldn't even be bothered to go celebrate Rashford's goal with everyone else. The team doing well and winning doesn't necessarily bring him joy if he himself hasn't scored.

I like seeing a team in harmony that enjoy each other effort and success, not this selfishness, individualistic stuff I constantly see from Ronaldo.

Let him get game time, get him ready for his WC(would be unfair to him to let his sharpness and readiness before the WC slip) but beyond that, if anything is looking solid in January then amicably part ways. And if January doesn't happen then this season should definitely be his final one.
 
Berbasbullet said:
I certainly have, and thats why I said well done for scoring, as I am hoping this leads to him hitting confidence/form and scoring goals like last season.
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Don't count on it. This is more than just form or confidence. Yesterday he was poor overall and loved to chill in the offside zone
 
All we truly need is for him to stop acting like a dickhead and put his head down and play for ETH for as long as he is at the club, no matter if its as a sub or starting. If he can do that from now on in then I'll respect him again. He can still contribute I'm sure but he needs to drop the attitude and start working for the team both privately and in public. ETH has a hard enough job without a 37 year old child adding to it.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Agreed, they still think Rashford can lead the line.
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Why do Ronaldo fanboys constantly bring up Rashford it's like an immediate default reaction.

You think Ronaldo is bad wait until you see Rashford, but then dismissing that this season we play considerably better with Rashford than Ronaldo and that passes the eye test and the numbers as G Nev pointed out on sky.

And it's ok to think neither Rashford or Ronaldo should be the starting 9 but if it's got to be one of them Rashford is the better option this season as the manager and the numbers tell us.
 
Gavinb33 said:
Why do Ronaldo fanboys constantly bring up Rashford it's like an immediate default reaction.

You think Ronaldo is bad wait until you see Rashford, but then dismissing that this season we play considerably better with Rashford than Ronaldo and that passes the eye test and the numbers as G Nev pointed out on sky.

And it's ok to think neither Rashford or Ronaldo should be the starting 9 but if it's got to be one of them Rashford is the better option this season as the manager and the numbers tell us.
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....because that's our realistic option right now. The moment you say fanboy you immediately expose yourself as lacking objectivity and turning this into an us vs them argument. Look at it this way, both Rashford and Ronaldo have a ceiling when it comes to the centre forward position, and Ronaldo's is much higher. Therefore, it makes more sense to try to play him back into form than continuing with Rashford, as long as Martial is out.
 
Gavinb33 said:
Why do Ronaldo fanboys constantly bring up Rashford it's like an immediate default reaction.

You think Ronaldo is bad wait until you see Rashford, but then dismissing that this season we play considerably better with Rashford than Ronaldo and that passes the eye test and the numbers as G Nev pointed out on sky.

And it's ok to think neither Rashford or Ronaldo should be the starting 9 but if it's got to be one of them Rashford is the better option this season as the manager and the numbers tell us.
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Arguments look pathetic when you try and dismiss anyone trying to argue a slightly different view to you as being "fanboys".

I dare say there's a middle ground view where everyone knows Ronaldo shouldn't be starting loads of games, but also being slightly worried that our other options in that position are fairly unreliable. Be it Martial who gets a slight knock and isn't seen for another 6-8 weeks, or Rashy who has some absolutely outrageous physical attributes, but is exceptionally hit and miss.

The obvious solution is that we buy big there next summer, but we need to get to the summer first, and it's quite important to have another option to Rashy/Martial. The difficulty is getting Ronaldo to buy into his reduced impact. Thankfully we do at least have the Europa games to give him 90s in. Imagine if we weren't in Europe at all, it'd be even more of an issue for Ten Hag.
 
mu4c_20le said:
....because that's our realistic option right now. The moment you say fanboy you immediately expose yourself as lacking objectivity and turning this into an us vs them argument. Look at it this way, both Rashford and Ronaldo have a ceiling when it comes to the centre forward position, and Ronaldo's is much higher. Therefore, it makes more sense to try to play him back into form than continuing with Rashford, as long as Martial is out.
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Agree totally.
We've spent big elsewhere on the pitch and need to use what we have for this season up front.

The best solution is we manage games between our 3 strikers and apply a horses for courses rule.
There seems to have been that strange move on the cafe to suddenly thinking Rashy or Martial are the definitive answer up front, when for the last 2-3 years it's been debated intensely and concluded we need a proper specialist reliable striker there.
 
mu4c_20le said:
....because that's our realistic option right now. The moment you say fanboy you immediately expose yourself as lacking objectivity and turning this into an us vs them argument. Look at it this way, both Rashford and Ronaldo have a ceiling when it comes to the centre forward position, and Ronaldo's is much higher. Therefore, it makes more sense to try to play him back into form than continuing with Rashford, as long as Martial is out.
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This makes absolutely 0 sense the team in the whole not just Rashford play better when Ronaldo doesn't play, they run further as a collective, score more goals, create more chances and win more games.

You talk about not being a fanboy maybe it's harsh of me but if we play Ronaldo the team will continue to suffer even if he scores which doesn't mean a thing if the team doesn't function which is basically what we saw last season Ronaldo's numbers great rest of the team well that doesn't matter because Ronaldo's numbers were good is this how it works.

Ruud was 100x better than Saha but Saha made the team better, individuals don't make teams and especially not 37 year old ones.
 
mu4c_20le said:
....because that's our realistic option right now. The moment you say fanboy you immediately expose yourself as lacking objectivity and turning this into an us vs them argument. Look at it this way, both Rashford and Ronaldo have a ceiling when it comes to the centre forward position, and Ronaldo's is much higher. Therefore, it makes more sense to try to play him back into form than continuing with Rashford, as long as Martial is out.
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Makes only sense for people wanting Ronaldo to score rather then people wanting the team to win.
Ronaldo is not up for the league. He scored one goal or something like that and we have looked much better as a team without him.
Looking at the fact that Ronaldo is a bench player in league games, it does make me believe that the manager agrees.

So no, it doesn’t make sense to play someone to play him back to form. Any place in the starting 11 has to be earned. That’s a rule under ETH and one of the reasons we are so much better this season.

By the way, Rashford may have his flaws but he is running and pressing for the team right now. Ronaldo is a passenger concerning work rate.
 
Sandikan said:
Agree totally.
We've spent big elsewhere on the pitch and need to use what we have for this season up front.

The best solution is we manage games between our 3 strikers and apply a horses for courses rule.
There seems to have been that strange move on the cafe to suddenly thinking Rashy or Martial are the definitive answer up front, when for the last 2-3 years it's been debated intensely and concluded we need a proper specialist reliable striker there.
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Don’t think anyone said Rashford and Martial are the answer up front. In fact, most of us want a new striker as priority.
But Martial and Rashford being better up front for the team then Ronaldo is the argument. And it’s very deluded to think otherwise when you see the actual team perform on the pitch style and result wise.
 
ETH should take a chance to minimize Ronaldo involvement in the team. He's a poor striker these days, needs multiple good chances to score a goal and doesn't do much else.

I can imagine he will play on Sunday with Rashford on the left, I would understand that considering Sancho form, but I still hope we can just drop Ronaldo from starting XI.
 
Escobar said:
Don't count on it. This is more than just form or confidence. Yesterday he was poor overall and loved to chill in the offside zone
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I remember there was this moment in the game yesterday when Bruno received the ball on the turn and the only thing left was just release it to Ronaldo for him to be through on goal but the problem was that Ronaldo was still offside coming back so Bruno had to keep delaying the pass until he eventually sent it to the wing.

Basically had Ronaldo bothered to be inside on time, Bruno would have released him on goal.
 
Santoryo said:
I remember there was this moment in the game yesterday when Bruno received the ball on the turn and the only thing left was just release it to Ronaldo for him to be through on goal but the problem was that Ronaldo was still offside coming back so Bruno had to keep delaying the pass until he eventually sent it to the wing.

Basically had Ronaldo bothered to be inside on time, Bruno would have released him on goal.
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Yeah one incident where he just stood still yet everyone was moving and passing around him.
 
Borys said:
ETH should take a chance to minimize Ronaldo involvement in the team. He's a poor striker these days, needs multiple good chances to score a goal and doesn't do much else.

I can imagine he will play on Sunday with Rashford on the left, I would understand that considering Sancho form, but I still hope we can just drop Ronaldo from starting XI.
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Sancho is another problem isn't he. Not quite DVB in being an average pass back to who passed you it merchant, but certainly lacking much drive and ability to beat an opponent.
Rashy has actually gone from us wondering how he gets in the 11 to arguably being a guaranteed starter, with only Antony more nailed.
 
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