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NFL penalties are so wildly ridiculous it’s not at all comparableI suppose we don’t criticise the inconsistency in NFL punishments then? You know, since the approach was agreed by the players and teams?
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NFL penalties are so wildly ridiculous it’s not at all comparableI suppose we don’t criticise the inconsistency in NFL punishments then? You know, since the approach was agreed by the players and teams?
Not me, I would rather see what is posted.Nobody gives the ignore function a better work out than the caf's Hamilton fans.
So because someone has a different opinion to you, you put them on ignore? You Merc fans are unreal.Cant be arsed. Adding you to my ignore list. Bye.
This is actually a good point, it seems kind of unfair that a team has to use so much of its budget after a massive crash like those that costs millions doesn't it? And I'm saying this as a fan of neither team, but surely a big crash like that, that was clearly caused by another driver/team, shouldn't then have to come out of the aggreived teams budget?So when Lewis and Bottas smashed into Red Bull cars in 2021, and caused $3m worth of damage between them, applying current Ferrari and Merc logic we can say they were also robbing RB of at least a second in lap time.
What clever bastards
Seems a bit sensitive. Has me on ignore as well. I didn't remember talking to them so I had a look and can't see any good reason. Ironically, I only realised when I tried to give them advice on how to block someone who had their settings on private and they asked about it again after I'd replied a couple of times.I thought it was a good The Day Today joke personally
1,8m over 145m isn't 20%.It's about 20% of a development budget for a single season. It's a significant amount considering the up roar from Horner over 10% reduction on just wind tunnel and CFD time.
Are you sure about that?Not if the bulk of it was spent on engine development. There’s an engine development freeze from 2022 till 2026 and if Red Bull exceeded the budget to do more development last year it would have given them a head start which most teams will be unable to catch up due to the development freeze.
And again, this budget overspend was for last season where they lost to Mercedes and fluked out a championship for Max. We’ll only know how much Red Bull spent for this season next year but it’ll be dodgy again given how most teams had to cut staffs to make the budget while Red Bull was snapping up staffs.
So are F1 penalties though. That’s the point.NFL penalties are so wildly ridiculous it’s not at all comparable
Development budgets are about circa 10m. You were saying that 1.8m isn't that much in the context of an entire budget, in the context of development it's a significant part of the budget.1,8m over 145m isn't 20%.
Also, if you are talking about just development, again, it has nothing to do with Hamilton this season since he has Ferrari guys and his teammate between him and Redbull which was what started this discussion initially few posts back.
Except it wasn't 1,8m. It was less than 400k.Development budgets are about circa 10m. You were saying that 1.8m isn't that much in the context of an entire budget, in the context of development it's a significant part of the budget.
You're tripping yourself up on your own quoted numbers. If you're going back to the original, after the calamitous calculations from the RB accounts, figures net of the tax rebate then the penalty is fair in my opinion. If a teams car is 1kg under the weight for a race then it's disqualified. If we're running a cost cap, then we need the same discipline. Not a sliding scale of based on the overspend, and I believe the penalty that was awarded was in line with what was agreed. I have no complaints.Except it wasn't 1,8m. It was less than 400k.
Obviously all teams would have extra expenses but only 1 was over the limit...Understood.
Maybe the original poster will give us an explanation then.
Quite likely. Ferrari definitely have.Why are they all so close today ? RBR turned down the engines ?
Article explains (basically the altitude is having an effect on the turbos)Why are they all so close today ? RBR turned down the engines ?
just shows how much they were reliant on that 10% wind tunnel time. as soon as they lost that they were catapulted back into the pack.Why are they all so close today ? RBR turned down the engines ?
It seems the thinner air is making the aerodynamics less effective, and cars/drivers with better mechanic grip/ability to drive smoothly are coming out on top.Why are they all so close today ? RBR turned down the engines ?
Strategic throwing of pole by Merc? apparently you want to be 3rd here off the grid
just shows how much they were reliant on that 10% wind tunnel time. as soon as they lost that they were catapulted back into the pack.
This is from skysports:Development budgets are about circa 10m. You were saying that 1.8m isn't that much in the context of an entire budget, in the context of development it's a significant part of the budget.
Following a review in 2020, the cost cap was set at $145m for 2021, $140m for 2022 and $135m for 2023-2025, though the figures were based on a 21-race season and an inflation uplift was applied earlier this season.
The budget cap applies to money spent on car developments and performance, but not to some big-ticket items, such as drivers' salaries, marketing costs, logistics, travel and legal costs
What comes under the F1 cost cap?
Any expenditure related to car – but not engines – performance is relevant for the cost cap. This includes:
The biggest area of focus is car development costs, with teams having a weigh up what is developed, how much is spent on each part which is manufactured and how many of the parts are needed and can be afforded without overspending.
- All parts on the car (from the steering wheel to the wheel nuts)
- All the elements needed to run the car
- Most of the team personnel
- Garage equipment
- Spares
- Transport costs
- Everything in between
Not at all. Just posted at a bad time and took it out on @phelans shorts. Not really Merc fan either. Thats just too easy a sterotype. If i was i wouldnt have praised max's driving this season or be so disappointed in ferrari for not bringing a challenge to max. Just want some integrity back in the sport. It seems to be going down the wrong route.So because someone has a different opinion to you, you put them on ignore? You Merc fans are unreal.
I remember when there wasn't this bitterness between fans of different teams of this sport, god I wish those days were back now. Between here and reddit it's just a cesspool, nowhere to just discuss F1 without it turning in to the childish crap that's goes on here
red bull were caught in the most serious of sporting breaches since lance armstrong and were punished by the fia a couple of days ago. they lost 10% performance as the fia decided that’s how much their cheating gained them, and now they’re just as fast as everyone else.Say what ???
Ok we can agree on all that. I'm just sick of the toxicity on here to be honest, from both sets of fans, it's getting old real quick. Anyway apologies for singling you out mate.Not at all. Just posted at a bad time and took it out on @phelans shorts. Not really Merc fan either. Thats just too easy a sterotype. If i was i wouldnt have praised max's driving this season or be so disappointed in ferrari for not bringing a challenge to max. Just want some integrity back in the sport. It seems to be going down the wrong route.
Is this a piss take?red bull were caught in the most serious of sporting breaches since lance armstrong and were punished by the fia a couple of days ago. they lost 10% performance as the fia decided that’s how much their cheating gained them, and now they’re just as fast as everyone else.
once perez goes it’ll be off the calendar I suspectNot the most exciting of tracks, but I love the stadium feel and loud crowd that Mexico City brings to the table. I hope they manage to keep their spot in the future.
How dare you. Rimaldo has never made a sarcastic post in his entire posting careerIs this a piss take?
It’s incredible how much you’re arguing that them going over the budget doesn’t matter when you don’t even know basic facts about the issue1,8m over 145m isn't 20%.
Also, if you are talking about just development, again, it has nothing to do with Hamilton this season since he has Ferrari guys and his teammate between him and Redbull which was what started this discussion initially few posts back.
Are you sure about that?
Sorry but that doesn't make sense talking account of your initial post.Obviously all teams would have extra expenses but only 1 was over the limit...