Day 6: Wales vs Iran | Qatar vs Senegal | Netherlands vs Ecuador | England vs USA

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At least Qatar players don't look as scared of their own shadows as in their opening game.
 

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Never get the argument of 'he's moving his body across the opponent so it cannot be a pen' thing
If he took the ball with him sure... But he left the ball and just moved to create contact. That's what decides it for me.
 

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Never get the argument of 'he's moving his body across the opponent so it cannot be a pen' thing
He did it with no intention of playing the ball though. It's an unnatural motion with no other intent than to get a penalty. He is impeding the defender more than the defender is impending him. Not a hill I'm willing to die on, but this is some James Harden type shit that shouldn't be rewarded.
 

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Why arent Qatar subs going to dressing room. Instead they're walking to the pitch greeting their teammates like the game is over.
 

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He does, and drags his left leg. He’s got no intention of shooting. The Senegal defender is clumsy and it could be given, but for me it’s cheating.
Protecting the ball when in control of it is not cheating. It's not about whether his intention is shooting, crossing or doing a rabona. He's the ball carrier so it's not a 50/50 but by putting his body between the ball and defender he's forcing the defender into making a decision. It's literally the same as dribbling diagonally in front of a chasing defender. Is that cheating too? Either the defender lets you play the ball or he takes you out. Yes, he knows what he's doing and knows that the tackle is coming, but the onus is on the defender to not go through his back once he does so.

If a defender is shepherding the ball out of play, can you just run straight through him, knock him over and take the ball?
 

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Protecting the ball when in control of it is not cheating. He's forcing the defender into making a decision. It's literally the same as dribbling diagonally in front of a chasing defender. Either the defender lets you play the ball or he takes you out. Yes, he knows the tackle is coming, but the onus is on the defender to not go through his back once he does so.

If a defender is shepherding the ball out of play, can you just run straight through him and knock him over and take the ball?
I agree, Qatar should've had a pen.
 

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Watching the replay again I'm certain even if he's trying to win it, it's still a foul by the defender and should be a penalty
 

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That’s fair enough but maybe we should accept that if a keeper can’t jump for a ball without putting an opponent in danger then maybe they should not be allowed to.
Maybe if you can't tackle without putting an opponent in danger then you shouldn't be allowed to do that either.

It's a physical game, you accept the risks of contact the moment you step on the pitch.
 

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Clear red for Hennessy but if the ref had balls he would've sent off an Iran player for their protests. Numerous players barking in his face from inches away.
 

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He had the option of a left-foot shot, but he opted to try and win a penalty instead. That is clear because he would have shot instead of lunging to the right and collapsing into the Senegal defender. It was silly of him not to take the shot on as his run and first touch put him into the perfect position.
Collapsing into the Senegal defender :lol: Jesus christ, he gets a 90kg defender knocking him in the back and taking out his right leg for good measure. But if you look at the situation as him "collapsing into the defender" then we're never going to agree.

The only reason it seems like a silly thing to do is because the referee made an error in not awarding an obvious penalty (and what could've been a red card too because it's not an obvious attempt at playing the ball). Yes, he played for the foul, but he was in fact fouled and should have had a penalty for it.

Like I've said, he's carrying the ball. The laws don't say anything about what decisions he's allowed to take with the ball, so he's well within his rights to position his body between the ball and defender to force the defender into either tackling him or backing off. It's not a 50/50, and if the defender makes it back and tackles him from the side then fair play to the defender, but he doesn't. He goes steaming into him from behind and gets nowhere near the ball. Clear foul, absolutely no doubt about it.
 

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If he took the ball with him sure... But he left the ball and just moved to create contact. That's what decides it for me.


I disagree on this being "leaving the ball". It's right next to him and available to be played if the tackle doesn't come in.
 

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Still waiting for Qatar’s first shot on target but don’t think it’s ever going to come. They just look so clumsy it’s becoming laughable. Should have had a penalty though.
 

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The half time footage of the Saudi teamtalk and their coach is fantastic.
 

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Never mind getting a goal, just try and shoot the ball at that white box at the other end of the pitch.
 

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It's simple, if an attacker is looking for a contact its not a pen.
This is not "looking for contact" though. This is just a case of having your body between the ball and opponent and is completely legal. If the defender then decides to tackle you anyway then that's the defender's problem.

Forcing a defender into either backing off or making a mistake does not make it so you can't get a pen if the defender does indeed make a mistake