He has got everything he needs to be a big success here and he will be, just give him time to adapt
His workrate is amazing by the way
His workrate is amazing by the way
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Casemiro and Lisandro look great tbf.
Really poor tonight but we can't have it all. He's still acclimatizing and the mid-season World Cup obviously didn't help with that.
He’ll be fine.
I was thinking more along the lines of adm, lukaku, sanchez(know he was in exchange for mkhitaryan, but he was on a gazillion pounds), Pogba tbh. But like you said, casemiro and Lisandro have been great, so we just have to roll with it, I guess.
It's not luck. Our club has no proper planning or infrastructure in place for transfers / recruitment. Our track record is pretty much what you'd expect as a result of that.
Even when his touch is off, he works his nuts off for the team.
Really wish he had scored. Might have been a huge confidence booster.
It's frustrating when he's one on one and doesn't even attempt to take a guy on. Try it,even if it doesn't work cos you have somebody behind you and makes you less predictable. Instead it's going in with his left foot. He just doesn't seem like a guy that will even try that, and looked the same when coming on for Brazil at the WC.
Not taking somebody on would be great if his passing or crossing was top quality but it's not (yet) Hopefully that comes.
It's frustrating when he's one on one and doesn't even attempt to take a guy on. Try it,even if it doesn't work cos you have somebody behind you and makes you less predictable. Instead it's going in with his left foot. He just doesn't seem like a guy that will even try that, and looked the same when coming on for Brazil at the WC.
Not taking somebody on would be great if his passing or crossing was top quality but it's not (yet) Hopefully that comes.
I responded to apost claiming Antony’s first months at United had been ‘average’, without saying average of what group, which is senseless. The next claim was ‘average for a United player, which is clearly false, given all the United players we’ve seen. Three goals in three starts is not meanigless when assessing a two month stint.
Everyone knows we got robbed by Ajax. But I have confidence he will turn out good. Today was just a bad day for him, he usually kept the ball better.
A classy comment about one of our own players...
I don't think he was as bad as everyone makes out tonight. Fairly poor performance, tried things that didn't work out, but good workrate. To me he looks like he hasn't figured out the league yet, which I'm ok with at this stage.
Agreed, he is exciting and young emough to improve his game. Like Sancho too many already writing him off... we are not far off having amazing strength in depth on both wings. Give the lad a chance to settle.
One of the issues with being highly priced. Obviously the price isn't his fault but I think there's less pressure on him if we get him for 30m Vs the amount we paid.
I agree about the workrate though
Only worth 40-50m. The money we’ve spend is a joke.
Let's get some things straight, and muppets won't like this because they have built an image of Anthony on their heads that is removed from reality.
1. He is not a great dribbler. He like a nice highlights reel so you will see him spin when a simple shimmy would be more productive, flick is leg when a simple step inside is a better choice, try the over elaborate Cryuff that is equally as effective as just stopping the ball and fooling the defender. Those can be excused as he's just a young lad, but they don't make him a great dribbler. A great young dribbler is a Musiala, younger Hazard and Dembele, Kvit-whatsisname in Napoli, G. Jesus, younger Ben Arfa etc.
2. He's not exactly fast. He's faster than alot of players, but he won't burn people for fun, or leave defenders in his wake - especially with the ball. Better to give him a headstart if we want him to be more effective, that means playing the ball into space behind the fullback and hope he gets to it faster.
3. He's not a very good passer - yet. He will develop, as will most 21 year olds, but on the evidence of his time at Ajax, he wasn't exactly a creative playmaker either. So we are not getting a Saka or Foden.
Which then brings us to the elephant in the room, the price. If you are not bothered about it then that's fine, but it speaks to how bad we are as a club wrt to identifying talents and negotiating that we let Ajax pull our pants down for him. For what he is (and the potential he has) we could have found someone cheaper on the continent, who might not be the same age, but was cheaper and would likely be more effective. I personally would have preferred we spent some of that money on Diaby at Leverkusen instead if we absolutely needed that profile of player.
I expect him to be better than this with experience, but I don't see this huge potential that everyone else seem to see. If anything I see him closer to a Raphina than a Vinicius Jnr.
1. He is not a great dribbler. He like a nice highlights reel so you will see him spin when a simple shimmy would be more productive, flick is leg when a simple step inside is a better choice, try the over elaborate Cryuff that is equally as effective as just stopping the ball and fooling the defender. Those can be excused as he's just a young lad, but they don't make him a great dribbler. A great young dribbler is a Musiala, younger Hazard and Dembele, Kvit-whatsisname in Napoli, G. Jesus, younger Ben Arfa etc.
2. He's not exactly fast. He's faster than alot of players, but he won't burn people for fun, or leave defenders in his wake - especially with the ball. Better to give him a headstart if we want him to be more effective, that means playing the ball into space behind the fullback and hope he gets to it faster.
3. He's not a very good passer - yet. He will develop, as will most 21 year olds, but on the evidence of his time at Ajax, he wasn't exactly a creative playmaker either. So we are not getting a Saka or Foden.
Which then brings us to the elephant in the room, the price. If you are not bothered about it then that's fine, but it speaks to how bad we are as a club wrt to identifying talents and negotiating that we let Ajax pull our pants down for him. For what he is (and the potential he has) we could have found someone cheaper on the continent, who might not be the same age, but was cheaper and would likely be more effective. I personally would have preferred we spent some of that money on Diaby at Leverkusen instead if we absolutely needed that profile of player.
I expect him to be better than this with experience, but I don't see this huge potential that everyone else seem to see. If anything I see him closer to a Raphina than a Vinicius Jnr.
Before he signed, I thought it'll take at a minimum, 3/4 of the season to start getting some proper performances from him. I still believe that.
The reactions to his performance in the Match thread were typically hysterical. What's sad is that half of them come from the same people that hyped him to the high heavens after his first few games. It really did make for toxic reading today, and I was (and still am) saddened by the vitriol spouted by some of our "supporters" after a player has a bad game or two. Sentiments included him 'being worse than Lingard. ' a waste of money and space', 'utter shit', 'worse signing than Sancho', 'a complete flop', etc etc. I really have no clue why people have to go off the deep end on the basis of one or two performances. Everything is always so absolute and extreme in their eyes, but the reality is always much more nuanced, and ultimately sensible. We've all seen this kind of sickening tearing down of a player so many times before, and 8/10 times the posters end up with egg on their face (well they would if they had any sense of integrity), only to jump back on the bandwagon the next time he has a good game.
It's pretty simple that he didn't play well today, but that's all that is. He is a very good player, who will have more bad days at the office, but that doesn't make him shit. I am excited to see how he'll develop with us, and excited that he offers us something different. He has an incredible work rate and is fiercely competitive. When he signed I was fully prepared to give him a full season to settle in, and nothing I've seen changes that. I remain a big fan of his signing, and am ready to be patient as he adapts to a new country, league, and level of football. He has all the tools needed to be a big success. Despite being really poor on the ball today, his movement and workrate was world class.
It's pretty simple that he didn't play well today, but that's all that is. He is a very good player, who will have more bad days at the office, but that doesn't make him shit. I am excited to see how he'll develop with us, and excited that he offers us something different. He has an incredible work rate and is fiercely competitive. When he signed I was fully prepared to give him a full season to settle in, and nothing I've seen changes that. I remain a big fan of his signing, and am ready to be patient as he adapts to a new country, league, and level of football. He has all the tools needed to be a big success. Despite being really poor on the ball today, his movement and workrate was world class.
He is a winger and I did not see him beat his marker once tonight and Forest are cellar dwellers....I think some do not know what flair means!
This has been a theme for both Antony & Sancho from the moment they both signed for the club. Neither of them seem willing, or able, to take on and beat a man. It makes our attack incredibly one paced & predictable as everything they do is infront of the defence as they can’t get in behind. Most attacks break down with them passing sideways or backwards because they just can’t get past their man or offer any penetration.
It’s absolutely bizarre as both arrived with a reputation for being skilful dribblers.
Sancho maybe, and even he was never a skillful dribbler, more someone who used dribbling as a tool to get into position, but I'll give you him.
Anthony, even in his best YT compilation, did not look like a skillful dribbler. Spinning the ball over a central point don't make you a dribbler, infact it makes you look like a right Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, as we saw in that game against Omonia. Check out a young Hazard, Dembele, Kivashetala, or even Saka for what a penetrative dribbler can do.
I think Arsenal are further in their development than ourselves, but one thing they have that we don't are better dribblers in their front four. Their top 4 players are better than our equivalent, which means they are more penetrative, create more dangerous situations, penalties etc. Number of times I have seen Martinelli, Jesus and Saka drive into the opposition box beating two, sometimes three, along the way.
We don't have that and it stifles us massively.
And Garnacho is on for about 20mins and he is going straight for his marker so it is obviously not something that the manager is telling them to do.
His worst performance in a utd shirt yet.
Misplaced almost every pass, did not take on players but openend up space for Martials’s goal. I gave him a 3
Misplaced almost every pass, did not take on players but openend up space for Martials’s goal. I gave him a 3
And then you blame people for going off the deep end, when you basically go the opposite way to somehow justify his purchase. Or your ceiling for world class is extremely low.
I am willing to give him time too as he is very new in a team which is still nowhere near where we intend to be in a couple of seasons. My biggest concern with him is his inability to take on his defender. There was a situation today when we were on a fast counter attack. He had acres of space in front of him with just one player to beat (who was back pedaling and wasn't even in a good shape to slow him down). Even if he did a kick and run he would have passed his man if he believed in his pace. What he did instead was try this extravagant pass from the midfield which was cut out.
That shows he either does not believe in himself to beat his man or he just does not have the guile to do that. That's my main concern and this was Forest, not even a mid-table club.
You can give anyone chance after chance, but so far he has shown very little as far his dribbling ability goes. Unless he actually improves that, he will hamper our attacks more and more and it will become very evident soon enough.
I hope he does too, but my statement isn't crazy. Your being irrationally defensive. I can support the players while criticizing the transfer fee.
We've spent £150M on Sancho and Antony with £500k p/w in wages. And neither are so far close to showing their worth. It's gambles like this that have made us mediocre because other clubs like Liverpool make similar gambles at half the risk (cost).
And yet players like James and Elanga get slated by our own fan base for not being good enough to play at this level while the same fans find any reason to excuse the very expensive imports that simply do not measure up.
Based solely on your response, it would appear either your reading or comprehension skills are quite poor.
Antony always makes a shot or two on target in every game. He doesn't run away from the ball unlike McTominay. He will do well.
Because the new manager was hellbent on Antony. And Ajax knew it. THe supply and demand was tilted already.
What would happen if the CLub forced a cheaper alternative, and the manager just ignore him / find him useless/ perform like current Antony? Just imagine the fans uproar??
Vastly overrated. Compare to Saka, or Mahrez for example.
Antony needs to show some humility and maturity in his game. The £100m was a joke and I'm quite perplexed as to why ETH actually swallowed that.
I expect our players to work hard. That should be a given.
Antony needs to show some humility and maturity in his game. The £100m was a joke and I'm quite perplexed as to why ETH actually swallowed that.
I expect our players to work hard. That should be a given.
I think he works hard tbh. It’s what he brings other than that is the question. Neymar broke all sense regarding transfer fees. 100 million used to get you a prime Gareth bale back in the day.
In my view once a winger cannot consistently create chances then he is useless. There's predominantly two ways wingers create chances, either you take on and beat a man consistently (Giggs, Robben etc.) or deliver great crosses with regularity (Beckham). Antony has done neither at even a basic level and that is the reason many are frustrated. He doesn't even attempt to take on a man and his crossing so far has been so bad and aimless. He could have had zero goals and had zero assists but if he was consistently beating his man/ delivering great crosses everyone would be happy.
I'm not trying to discard it, I'm just saying cause of the price people are too harsh. I get people want goal and assists but sometimes it's as if cause he's 100 million worth he should have 2 goals and 3 assists per game to be satisfied. Fans being completely impatient shocker.
Wow
Antony will come good. Patience please.
We dont do that here.
I'd say he is still better than Sancho but it's still worrying how poor he is. Hopefully he proves us all wrong but I simply can't see it.
I am starting to worry a bit about him too, he has the basics right - food first touch, pace, passing, crosses and runs but he aint putting balls on the money to create chances. His play is just basic - receive the ball, dribble a bit and make a safe pass - he is not doing anything else not gaining the yards to advance play and like I said he is a bit limited creatively.
The worry then is how long will ETH persist with him as a starter before giving others like Sancho a real go in the role (assuming he overcomes his issues) and should we need another RW, not exactly writing him off, will the owners support him? He is certainly giving the looks of an expensive mistake but its still early days.
Good response. Not that I expected more from you having seen your posts around here.
You called his movement and work rate "world class". It was not but then again I guess your standards of world class are quite low so I don't really blame you for it.
Antony could be a super player, but he isn't that quite yet. I'm not sure he accepts that. He should just work, work, work... get himself going. It's like he feels he has made it, and that simply is not the case. We have all seen too much of this at our club over the last decade, players who thinks playing for Manchester United means that they have now 'made it'.
What I love about United teams, for many years, is we have players who fight, work hard, really hard all the time..that's what Manchester United is about. Put the team, club first and want to join the club and become better players.
I'm just not sure what is going on in Antony's head when I watch him play, and despite the £100m ( I still don't get that...) ETH will not ignore it. He needs to change his mindset. He's young and should be an absolute handful, taking risks, smashing shots, running through defenders..he should be a nightmare to play against. That's just effort. And I don't see that yet.
What I love about United teams, for many years, is we have players who fight, work hard, really hard all the time..that's what Manchester United is about. Put the team, club first and want to join the club and become better players.
I'm just not sure what is going on in Antony's head when I watch him play, and despite the £100m ( I still don't get that...) ETH will not ignore it. He needs to change his mindset. He's young and should be an absolute handful, taking risks, smashing shots, running through defenders..he should be a nightmare to play against. That's just effort. And I don't see that yet.
I still think he will be a world beater by 25-26, he's young and he only really broke out at 19. Give him time.
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