Not to mention there'd prob be another mass protest.
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So not the state but the leader of the whole country. I'm really not seeing much difference tbh mate. It's the same thing in my eyes.
They don't want the club to make money. They want it for political gain. To enhance the image of Qatar and attract tourism and workers from the west.
I will never be on board with whatever they dangle. if you are then that's fair enough.
Is there anyone qualified to explain how a minority stake would add up?
Assuming only Joel and Avram stay, so the others cash in.
The Stadium work is still going to be done.
The motive to stay is for Joel and Avram is to make more money than they would now.
Assuming only Joel and Avram stay, so the others cash in.
The Stadium work is still going to be done.
The motive to stay is for Joel and Avram is to make more money than they would now.
The idea that it's not state owned to be owned as the pet of the head of an absolute monarchy using money from a sovereign wealth fund is a take...
Ogden is reporting this too so there is probably something to it. We know that Joel and Avram are reluctant sellers who'd rather remain in charge of the club and this hedge fund might give them an opportunity to buy out their siblings who want to sell.
So you’re putting a fanzine up against the government and anti trans hate in the UK?
Bold of you. How prominent is this fanzine?
An example of sportswashing is someone disagreeing with ownership based on moral principles and feeling appalled by the deaths of migrant workers before then changing your tune and supporting that bid because it benefits you. You might know someone that fits this bracket.
From what has been reported Joel and Avram actually like owning the club (status etc. I would assume). The others want to cash out.
I see what you did there.
Just trying to do the maths myself. 4 want to sell - if that happens they have to buy up some of that to keep a majority share. And they need to fund the 1bn plus investment required for infrastructure. And that borrowing can’t be put onto the club otherwise no games would ever occur again. So they’d need a 2bn plus loan under their own name - how are they paying that back? It’s bullshit. They’re selling. FSG started this process at the exact same time and have known for weeks they weren’t selling. Glazers have taken bids and are onto the next stage - they aren’t wasting Raine, Qatar and everyone else’s time doing this.
This is nonsense.
There's been no history of the publication giving transphobes a platform prior to this and now it has. The UK state has nothing to do with it, there are transphobes everywhere, the United community has never given them a platform before now.
It has more reach/followers than Red News and MUST. It's read by tens of thousands.
It's a bit shocking how many on here now that a bid is real have changed to the stance "why should we turn them down when no one else would" or gems like "I'm sure Ratcliffe has done immoral things as well, they are all the same" or my favorite "You can't punish all people of Qatar for the actions of their government" as if the people of Qatar are the ones buying us.
Would the Glazers really go to the extent of getting offers for the clubs in, allowing them to see the financials of the club, just to then turn round and say ah screw it, we'll stay...
The hatred towards them would be unreal. I could imagine the atmosphere around the ground on matchdays would be toxic
The hatred towards them would be unreal. I could imagine the atmosphere around the ground on matchdays would be toxic
They enjoy milking the club, but I imagine £5bn dangled infront of their noses would be very very Hard to turn down
Its been said but we should move on from it
Imo if the hedge fund pay for the Glazers to stay that will potentially out billions of debt on the club..
Hard to see how we could possibly survive that.
I'd say things would come crumbling down quite fast.
Hard to see how we could possibly survive that.
I'd say things would come crumbling down quite fast.
As I recall it they never said they were definitely selling, they said they were open to different options of which a sale was one of said options
Not even prominent within the fanbase that it's aimed at
Pretty much
Just stop, please. You know that's not what they're saying, why pretend?
This article would never have been published without the Qatari bid. The bid is adding to the already existing pool of anti-trans views and publications. That's the point, it's not complicated, everyone understands.
HahahahaNot even prominent within the fanbase that it's aimed at
You never explicitly say you want to sell when you want to sell.
A surprising few tbf
Getting called parasites and been hated by everyone that loves United must really work for them...
Even if they are happy taking a few million out every now and again, I still can't make the other two points work, and that's before the investor gets a return.
I have met many Muslim fans / friends at OT over the years and have never encountered any racism or issues at all. I believe we are a good club up to now in terms of inclusivity. I really hope that can continue.
If their ownership helps to ensure the financial and competitive future of the club then I am all for it. I am pragmatic enough to know that whatever is happening in Qatar, whoever has the state's boot on their neck will continue to have it with or without United so why deny my club a better future over things it can not change?
I live in a dictatorial failed state with a murderous looter for a President, I know how bad things can go if you at the wrong tribe, support the wrong party or if they just suspect you. As bad as things are people still live, raise kids or have same sex relations which can also get you locked up here. Maybe one day change will come to places like Qatar but certainly wont be because of useless and hypocritical virtue signalling being done by the likes of Delaney going on about Qatar whilst being on the Saudi payroll.
You may have missed the point of the question. Agree with your point none the less and I hope we can continue to be tolerant too all, not just a select few
Surely the glazers and other investors looking to keep them in can't be that terrible businessmen?
If they decided to stay those stocks that doubled would plummet, and already those investors keeping the glazers in charge would make a loss?
If they decided to stay those stocks that doubled would plummet, and already those investors keeping the glazers in charge would make a loss?
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If they gain hundreds of millions in funds then yeah I could see it happening. The atmosphere around the club means very little as the Glazers spend most of their time in America.
Still I would be surprised if it was the outcome.
Liverpool didn't announce it explicitly either but they were actively being shopped for months with little interest.
It allows the owners a bit of leeway to walk things back if they don't find suitable offers as FSG have today.
You can already tell a good portion of the caf would be awful in negotiations
Starved of success and the fear of being left behind. If a state tried buying us while we were successful there would be a very different response. Hell, there was a different attitude to ownership while the whole Super League farce was going on. The one thing most fans were campaigning for and agreeing on was 50+1 or some sort of fan ownership which led to the Glazers promising fans a stake in the club but now we don't hear much about it. Football fans can be very fickle I guess.It's a bit shocking how many on here now that a bid is real have changed to the stance "why should we turn them down when no one else would" or gems like "I'm sure Ratcliffe has done immoral things as well, they are all the same" or my favorite "You can't punish all people of Qatar for the actions of their government" as if the people of Qatar are the ones buying us.
Of course it's going to benefit the club. That's never been debated. Well unless they operate it like a circus that is which nobody can know.
It's what we are trading off for that that many aren't happy about. The club will never be looked at the same from many. I hope you realise what that means.
I doubt he actually did feel that way in the first instance, or at least not as strongly as he made out. I’d say it was more a kind of virtue signalling, i.e. something for public or, in this case, RedCafe display.
Well said.
But he’s just commenting on a bid. Do you think you have to hide anti trans views in Britain? Even then you have to say the writer was hiding his views all along.
Maybe he’s just a Dave Chappelle fan? You don’t have to hide anti trans views in 2023. In fact the Tories plan to use anti trans hysteria as part of their plans to run the next election
And, there are no guarantees from them putting the debt back again on the club after the takeover.
You seem to be trying to insult me every chance you get. You do you but I genuinely don’t care what you think of me
Your obsession is borderline bizarre
It’s not a noted fanzine but this will have to do
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/50...ship-rishi-sunak-penny-mordaunt-trans-rights/
I came up with the 2 billion figure aswell, and that would mean their siblings either taking a lower amount, or a lower share.
FSG it seems didn't get much interest for now, but I've no doubt they'll sell soon enough, even so they don't have the Glazers family dynamic with their sale, or the infrastructure issues we have to pay to for, so a minority stake makes more sense for them anyway.
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