Historical reference obvsAutocorrect or historical reference?
Either way it's a good point, well made.
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Me? Naughty words? On the cafe? With my reputation?If it is autocorrect it shows how much he types that naughty word.
I wonder if we should have a thread about the mystery 3rd bidder (reportedly US-based).
The person you're being so buddy buddy with right now first said that an article documenting abuse was just about rainbow flags. Then said that the same article just had to do with public behaviour, when it in reality it shows LGBT+ people being surveilled and tracked. Then said that Qatar doesn't discriminate against LGBT+ people, that these are isolated incidents that could just as well happen to straight people.
All these things you mention? Doubling down, deflecting. That on steroids. Did you miss that performance?
18 months ago, Ladron said Qatar is one of the worst places in the world for human rights. He said that himself.
I think they're banned. I couldn't click on the profile when I went to ignore them anyway.
I've decided to put Qatar shills on ignore, it's just too frustrating trying to have a discussion.
No, because are not adding anything of value to the main topic at hand - takeover process for United and the relevant updates.
There's a separate thread to discuss about all these morality issues, however for some including you posting the same nonsense as nauseam is perhaps fun.
Also, bringing in Gandhi to score points in a discussion when all you are doing is posting stuff on an internet forum without any relevant actions to back it up - yeah, that'll show them.
I suspect that bid would be the one that is awful. It’s probably hidden for a reason and that reason is probably because of the backlash it is likely to get. So probably just an investment firm.
Liberty Media must be one of most likely candidates, they’ve been linked with Liverpool like the Qatari’s were as well. The size of the investment must have deterred a lot of the Americans that were expected to bid.
Another alternative is it’s from someone like Pagliuca but is loaded with debt, any potential American owner probably knows they won’t be popular, especially with debt.
I think we can all comfortably say who has been behind the demose of the club...Glazers x Ed Woodward. They have got the club in the position they are at the moment. It was always going to be a slog to right the wrongs Ed had done.
You can't really hold Arnold accountable for the time Ed was in charge. Otherwise, where do you stop? Get rid of Cath from the front desk, too?
Probably just a privacy setting. For temp bans profiles stay accessible, and for perm bans the tagline also changes to 'New Member' unless they have a custom one. If you want to ignore them you can add /ignore after the url when you try to access the profile, that should work.
cheers, will do that!
That's the concern. For them to buy United, they will also need to take on a lot of debt which could well be put on us like the Glazers did. Unless it's someone super billionaire like Balmer or Bezos, much prefer to not go down the American owner route again.
There’s a difference between being on the front desk and working been in senior positions for 15 years. The guy worked closely with Woodward for well over a decade so he even contributed to the down or spent all that time doing nothing.
Arnold didn’t just turn up at the club 6 months ago, like I said he’s been here 15 years, like Woodward he wouldn’t have survived so long if he wasn’t on same page as the Glazers.
It would make sense that the mystery third bidder is wanting secrecy for a reason, so I'd guess that it's either Liberty Media or an Investment firm.
Liberty media would want some secrecy so the F1 season start doesn't get derailed by a media frenzy over the United Sale.
An investment vehicle will have seen the uproar of fan response to Elliot and it's either Elliot pressing on regardless, or another investment company that doesn't want to deal with their social media getting overwhelmed.
I can see that the third stage of this process will be the preferred bidder goes through a process of checking with regulators/ UK government whilst the other bidders are in a cooling off period, allowing for them to potentially raise any legal objections and also hang around in case a bid DOES fall foul of the regulator.
Liberty media would want some secrecy so the F1 season start doesn't get derailed by a media frenzy over the United Sale.
An investment vehicle will have seen the uproar of fan response to Elliot and it's either Elliot pressing on regardless, or another investment company that doesn't want to deal with their social media getting overwhelmed.
I can see that the third stage of this process will be the preferred bidder goes through a process of checking with regulators/ UK government whilst the other bidders are in a cooling off period, allowing for them to potentially raise any legal objections and also hang around in case a bid DOES fall foul of the regulator.
Oh the form.thing again. Does that provide you with a medal? Nice are currently 7th place and a staggering 21 points away from Qatari owned psg. Lausanne had been relegated twice since ineos took over. That's the benefits such juggernaut had brought to these clubs
Champions League victories:
Glazers 1 - 0 Arab backed clubs (Man City & PSG)
Glazers 1 - 0 Arab backed clubs (Man City & PSG)
I remember Carrick and McKenna getting massive stick under Ole and saying they're rubbish. How they should all go.
They go and be managers and be responsible for theirs, and the teams decisions. They're not doing too bad right now, are they?
Just because you've worked under someone, even in a senior position, it doesn't mean you have any type of power. Plus, right at this moment in time, they're doing well and doing things correctly. Give him time.
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Once again, nothing to do with my point of comparing Glazer v INEOS ownership.
I’m not interested in the same debate again about the Swiss club and Nice, if you think it’d be smart ownership to buy little Nice and attempt to challenge Mbappe, Messi, Neymar & co. within 4 years, more fool you.
I’m very surprised Saudi media hasn’t been linked with us yet. They were definitely in for Chelsea and they’re very wealthy.
You mentioned that ineos can turn united into some kind of juggernaut. I showed you that it failed to turn nice into a regular top 4 club or Lausanne into a Swiss 1st division club one. You might not notice but Qatar owns 1 club in France and no club in Switzerland. The rest are regular clubs owned by owners who are poorer then Ineos. So seriously if I have to choose between the ferrari of club ownership and the lada of club ownership then why on earth should I choose the latter?
I did?
When did I get hacked?
Pretty sure I spoke only that being owned by a company with 10 times the revenue of United aint even remotely the same as being owned by a family that had to leverage the club itself to even buy it and that the club itself was their biggest company.
Why?
Because INEOS can eat up those debt repayments without it barely being noticeable on their bottom line, whereas the Glazers needed United itself to pay debt repayments, transfers, infrastructure, everything… they had no other source of income to fund the club.
INEOS on the other hand are making profits of 2bn a year.
It’s absolutely bizarre to compare the two forms of ownership. INEOS the company, who are bidding for us, are for example much richer than Abramovich. That doesn’t tell us how they’d run us, but nor do I believe does the Qatari ownership of PSG. I certainly hope to feck the Qataris for example wouldn’t make us the circus PSG is, caring more about big names than anything else.
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Completely agree.
Michael Edwards at Liverpool worked under several failed regimes since 2011, until Klopp arrived. And Liverpool fans wanted him out and some even started a petition to get him removed.
If the decision making at the top of the pyramid is flawed, then nothing will function optimally.
Ah, okay. Yeah, I didn't even think about Edwards at Lfc. But this emphasises my point further. I'd like everyone to be given a chance and take it from there.
But probably the only position I'll contradict myself on this, is the position of DoF. And this because both Edwards and Mitchell will be available...and that won't be for too long.
What is the difference then? Cause Nice and Lausanne were owned by INEOS whose way richer then 99% of all clubs in their league and it made little to no difference whatsoever
Just seen.. he could have just said “I was wrong and speaking from ignorance or was mislead” but instead just rambled on about forbidden etc
Good stuff. Personally hoping for a redevelopment, any ideas how that would affect the team? Would we have to play elsewhere?
How many times do I have to tell you my point was comparing their ownership model with the Glazers?
I have zero interest in debating whether or not it would’ve made any sense to buy little old Nice and attempt to challenge PSG in less than 4 years.
For what it’s worth, if Newcastle challenge for the league in the next 3 seasons I’ll be amazed, and that despite being owned by a bottomless pit of money.
Mitchell hasn't done anything to write home about imo and was very fortunate that he was brought in by the DoF Les Reed at Soton in a scouting capacity, where Pochettino being the head coach meant the signings were always going to centre around high intensity football.
Edwards at Liverpool signed players that were identified by the two guys (Hunter & Fallows) heading their scouting department. So it's important to have strong head scouts and a capable head coach, which will make the difference for a prospective DoF. It's why big comparable clubs to United, like Bayern, have former players running their football departments whilst having capable recruiters. Edwards won't be identifying the players but rather his job would be to act on the information from the scouts.
My point is that there's a hell of a gap between little old Nice with little old INEOS whose seems lacking ambition/money/brains to compete with Qatar and the rest. INEOs had failed to do better then a number of French clubs and a bigger number of Swiss clubs who were owned by way poorer owners then INEOS are.
This is Ratcliffe's opportunity to show some ambition in regards to stadium and training facilities. Please come with some bright and fresh ideas because rest assured Jassim has already outlined his already
But how much will the Glazers care about what they plan to do with the club moving forward?
my guess: zero fecks will be given
It's evident that both main players have a different PR strategy. Jassim is aiming at the pragmatic fans with his zero debt policy and heavy investment on the infrastructure. SJR is aiming at the local fans with his bring Manchester united back to Manchester jab.
Didn't he brief that he would invest in the stadium and the facilities?
Time is the one thing you don’t give him, he’s been here 15 years. He’s the same guy who called our squad 25 George Clooney’s and has been part of a downward spiral whilst working towards what the Glazers want. He can’t point to any success so there isn’t much incentive to keep him on if you want a completely different and successful approach.
I’m not arsed mate, either debate the point I made, INEOS ownership and debt isn’t remotely the same as Glazer ownership and debt or stop replying.
If you wanna debate the pros and cons of taking over little old Nice and trying to make them better than Marseille, Monaco and PSG (not to mention Lyon) within just 4 years, find someone who gives a feck about the argument, I think, like with FSG and Liverpool, we’re another 4 years away from seeing how the Nice project is fairing.
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i would love for apple to take us over just think of all the money we have to spend on players
You are speculating about a company who has been heavily underwhelming in their investment/management on everything connected to football
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