His performances dropped a bit recently but he will surely be missed, 4 games without him in the League is a huge. Maybe we can do an appeal this time?
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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- Red cards
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I love him but that’s going to be 8 games he’s missed because he’s giving the ref a choice to make.
Nailed on red for me and very frustrating. Both reds he should have known better with, plus the yellow that got him suspended for the Arsenal game was blatant.
Difficult to not be critical of him, world class and experienced and shouldn’t be putting his team mates in trouble the way he did today and against Palace.
Difficult to not be critical of him, world class and experienced and shouldn’t be putting his team mates in trouble the way he did today and against Palace.
Of course that's a foul every time if you don't touch the ball. But if you touch the ball first things get really complicated.
That's a clear foul mate. There should be no debate about that.
Will one of them not be a cup game?
3 games in the league thankfully, so not quite as bad, other gaiis the fa cup tie.
Why is it 4 matches? Because its the second red?
I think he was saying rightly or wrongly sometimes they are given, others they are not. Sometimes a red, others a yellow. The point is there’s no consistency.
The ref today saw the decision, decided to give a yellow, then had the VAR basically tell him it was a red.
It wasn’t a clear, obvious error. It shouldn’t have interfered.
It's a challenge that could easily have been a straight red or possible yellow depending on the day and the ref. I think most of us can agree that this is a challenge where you are risking a red card so I'm not sure why there is such outrage that it was a red. I get the frustration that var got involved however it's hard to argue it's not a red because it is a studs up challenge and he catches him. I do take your point on consistency of course but that's football unfortunately.
I've seen it not given quite a few. It's something like the defender win the ball and he slides through naturally and makes contact. Tbh I've watched the PL for like 30 years and still I have no idea. Before VAR it depends entirely on the main ref. With VAR it's better but sometime VAR didn't even check and let the play continue like nothing happened. Like our pen calls today they didn't even bother to check.
Missed 8 games now due to bad discipline. Fine worthy.
The one Fabinho did on Evan Ferguson in the cup was a horror tackle. That's the part which makes it hardest to swallow - players who haven't even got a sniff of the ball remain unpunished, whilst Casemiro actually wins the ball first then gets sent off and has to sit out the next 4 games.
There's no common sense. We have to get to a place where coming to the correct decision takes precedence over trying to protect the referee's authority. I think there would be far more respect for the officials if they were prepared to accept they got it wrong every once in a while, instead of doubling down and tying themselves in knots.
Bad discipline??? More like inconsistent officiating
All decisions have been correct. Deluded to believe otherwise. Today was 100% a red card, yes the officiating is horrible because others aren’t getting sent off but they should have been. Definite red card today.
Yes that was follow through tackle. If reviewed by VAR in slow mo another sending off if they want consistency but neither was red cards IMO.
Is this for real? He’s been in decline for us already and everyone is afraid to say it?If I was Man Utd, I would appeal it.
People may say it is a red card, but there is inconsistency with no red cards with Fabinho’s challange and yesterday’s challange on Felix (where Mariner also was the VAR referee). One extra point is that unlike the other two, Casimero got the ball but his studs rolled over the ball.
Simon Stone asked Ten Haag in the press conference as he was walking out, he just smiled.
People may say it is a red card, but there is inconsistency with no red cards with Fabinho’s challange and yesterday’s challange on Felix (where Mariner also was the VAR referee). One extra point is that unlike the other two, Casimero got the ball but his studs rolled over the ball.
Simon Stone asked Ten Haag in the press conference as he was walking out, he just smiled.
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Sometimes these incidences are a manifestation of fatigue or niggling injury. Could be worse. Let him get some rest and recover.
Yeah it's a foul. But its just bad luck that after making plenty of contact with the ball his foot is then inadvertently rolled by the ball onto the lads shin.
I wouldn't expect a ref to see all that in real time. But with VAR? Insane they didn't see it was unintentionally and just unfortunate.
I am not saying Garnacho’s was a red card. However, if Casemiro’s is considered one, after he takes the ball cleanly, then Garnacho’s is too as after he takes the ball he makes the scissor action which traps Garnacho’s leg and is considered normally red card worthy.
I can turn it around and say that certain section of the fans (not you) are angry at our players / lost points and are using ‘objectivity’ to lay into them rather than admit that we were hard done by this as well as the penalty call.
The referee saw the incident clearly because he gave a foul and booked him, what do you think was the clear and obvious thing that he missed?
He’s over the ball and his studs are up. It’s a red card. We’d be screaming for it if it went the other way and there would be zero scandal. Casemiro has let us down big time twice now.
But he wasn't over the ball, he got the ball and the follow through hit the southampton player. Unless they're going to start giving reds everytime someone gets the ball and follows through its ridiculous. There's no consistency, look at Van Dijk's tackle in the Everton game that was given as a yellow by the same ref
That was a red card. That’s where the inconsistency is. Both are reds. Both challenges shouldn’t be made in the way that they are. You cannot go in with your foot like that.
I question the need to go into a tackle of that nature. Like he wanted to make a statement
The people who don’t think he’s entirely to blame for this situation are deluded. A completely needless tackle to make.
However futile I hope we appeal, and use the vast amount of inconsistencies we keep seeing as evidence for the case.
I still can't believe we didn't appeal the neck grab red card, I have seen this happen in at least 3 games since and nothing happened.
I still can't believe we didn't appeal the neck grab red card, I have seen this happen in at least 3 games since and nothing happened.
I also think it's a red card. Maybe a bit too harsh as he did touch the ball and his feet was bouncing of the ball but you couldn't deny that tackle was dangerous. But tbf the first red card was really unfair. He only held the collar not the neck trying his best to stop the fight. VAR fecked him by didn't show the ref that part but only the frame where it looked like he held the neck.
Anyway I don't think we should be harsh on Casemiro. He's a fantastic player and has done a lot for us. And he's a DM, DM gonna get yellows and reds. That's a part of the job unless your name is Fabinho.
He rolls over the top of the ball because he tackled too high. If you go for the middle of the ball or bottom half of the ball then you won't roll over the top of it and end up planting your studs in the middle of the oppositions shin.
You can make this tackle cleanly without even giving away a foul. It's just a stupidly reckless tackle whether you think it's yellow or red, why the feck can a footballer not manage to make this tackle without planting his studs mid-shin of the opposition?
I think we appeal. Eth was told he will miss four games and Eth responded with we will see. At the least we consider it as opposed to the first one where it was never gonna be overturned
He was .1 second off a perfect tackle and you don't want a defensive midfielder to make a challenge for a loose ball on the edge of your area with an opponent about to run onto it?
If he didn't contest the duel you'd be blaming him the other way if it led to a big chance.
It only looks a red because the opponent plants his foot at the moment they both reach the ball and it causes Casemiro's boot to bounce up when the ball is trapped between them.
Yeah, really fecking unnecessary. The refs are cnuts but Casemiro really cost us today.
Yes I forgot the suspension carries over to FA Cup games too.
If you can’t see that it’s a red I can’t help you. Extremely poor from him.
Sure, we're all deluded and you are the great visionary of the fanbase.
Pretty much correct yeah. There are plenty who can see it’s a red btw.
Bit of a mad stat. When he next starts a game for us he will have been suspended for 50% as many league games as he’s started for us!
There's no denying it was a head-gone moment.
And I'm not even going to argue against the red card decision. But what I am going to argue is that we see challenges like that all the time that are not punished with a straight red.
And I'm not even going to argue against the red card decision. But what I am going to argue is that we see challenges like that all the time that are not punished with a straight red.
If he had missed the ball then he would most probably hit the top of Southampton player’s foot rather than the shin. It would still be a bad challenge but it would be clearly a yellow card. The only reason it is under discussion as a red is because of an unfortunate bounce from the ball. I really don’t see how it is a clear red, let alone a clear and obvious error.
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