[Stadjer]

If you mean 70/30 De Gea if anything.

The whole job of a keeper is to scan the pitch and build a foundation for an attack when in possession.

He not only gives it to him in such a slow fashion but right when 3 defenders converge.

No. That is not what i meant, thats why i wrote i think its 70/30 for Maguire. I blame DDG for passing it to Maguire because he should know better. He should have ignored Maguire asking for the ball. I blame Maguire for the goal because he needs to deal with that pass a lot better.

You dont have to agree. Both messed up. At best i can offer 69/31.

 

[Cela shomana]

It's not been mentioned enough but his reaction after Maguire's pass is horrendous as well. He just stands still and does nothing. Doesn't move his feet to close the space, dive at the feet or commit to an angle.

I'm fully aware he had a low chance to save it but he made sure it was an impossible chance to save when he just let him take a shot without doing anything. He's so scared of taking a step forward, just like the corner goal. He's not even been bashed or man handled that badly before, why does he have this PTSD-like reluctance to take a step forward for anything. So infuriating.

Third goal is why he is reluctant. He knows his limitations and he sticks to his strength which is goal lines shots stopping

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Other players would have dealt with it. And/or not told the keeper to pass it to them in that position in the first place.

Regardless, there's enough blame to level in all directions that it doesn't particularly matter. If you want to say it was mostly on De Gea, go nuts.

The only player in our team id fancy dealing with that is Martinez and even then it’s a horrific pass. It’s a basic error and frankly I’m not sure Maguire could do that much.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

If it were for me, United should pull the contract offer OFF the table immediately. We are not going to get where we want to be with him in goal,especially not with such poor awareness and bad ball-playing abilities.

Remember the times when we said that a Manchester United goalkeeper (Taibi, Barthez, Carroll, Howard) had a bad performance that spelled the end of his career at the club? Today's display against Sevilla is the last straw for me. It's time for him and United to part ways.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Someone said it right - if he makes a mistake, brace yourselves for 10 more. A liability

 

[Jurgen Plopp]

On another note hes on 375K, but ive read united want him to re-sign for 200K almost half his current wage. What employer in any walk of life halves someones wages and expects the same day to day drive and comitment?

Naturally any employee would be unhappy to some extent and must affect them in some way even if it was a fair thing to do. I can't see Degea performing better in this scenario and psycologically it seems a silly thing to do.

They should just play Henderson who had better stats and save £20 million on Degea's wages. Or sell Henderson as well, and get another Keeper on 100K a week.

Also, did you know: Maguire is the 9th highest paid player - 8 others are paid more than him.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

He messed up enough on the 2nd and 3rd goal, pinning the blame for the 1st on him is just stupid.

Maguire asked for the ball, he had plenty of space to turn, or backheel the ball into 3 Utd players behind his back. We’ve played that ball all season to Martinez or Casemiro, and if we were to deviate from that pattern of play then that’s on the manager to make that clear if he’s not confident about the replacement for his first choice CBs.

What is clear is that the chuckle brothers combo (inc. De Gea) is just a recipe for disaster, you can get by with that against Forest, but even then it was shaky and nervous at times.

 

[Remember the geese]

Sick to death of him. Club needs to feck him off as soon as possible.

 

[ForeverRed1]

Sell him and sign maignon from AC Milan, give them whatever they want.

 

[BelfastRed2021]

I think we should rip his contract up and try and Replace him with Raya id say Raya would be an upgrade. Hes available for around 12-15 million due to his contract being up.

 

[SAFMUTD]

4 years ago I made a thread where I said we shouldnt renew him, turned out I was right and I still am. We shouldn't renew him.

These mistakes are nothing new, he's been making them at crucial games since the 2017/18 season. There are rumors that he declined a 200K contract, how on earth have we offered him so much? he's not even an average keeper and thats not me saying it all the stats confirm it. He's been below average for years now.

I get it he has history here, he was a great player won multiple player of the year awards but that was long ago. This is not a bleep, this has been going for 5-6 freaking years now how much is enough? when is it going to end.

Im tired.

 

[Oranges038]

Sunday he was great - no pressure - and he ws this and that and his passing was excellent and blah blah blah.

Tonight, little bit of pressure and he fecking cracks and falls to pieces within a few minutes. There was one stage where he went looking for a ball for a goal kick and he genuinely looked like a lost child looking for his dummy.

The best part is, his defenders talk about the mentality of being able to handle the pressure of playing for Man Utd. This guy has cost Man Utd in more big games that any other keeper I can remember.

 

[bosnian_red]

He messed up enough on the 2nd and 3rd goal, pinning the blame for the 1st on him is just stupid.

Maguire asked for the ball, he had plenty of space to turn, or backheel the ball into 3 Utd players behind his back. We’ve played that ball all season to Martinez or Casemiro, and if we were to deviate from that pattern of play then that’s on the manager to make that clear if he’s not confident about the replacement for his first choice CBs.

What is clear is that the chuckle brothers combo (inc. De Gea) is just a recipe for disaster, you can get by with that against Forest, but even then it was shaky and nervous at times.

Maguire largely at fault yes but de Gea also largely at fault. It's a clear pressing trap, doesn't matter who is calling for the ball, it is his responsibility to see if it's a smart pass or not, Maguire can't see who is behind him. De Gea has to see when to make that pass and when it's too risky. This one was clearly a bad choice.

 

[Asger]

Like I said, awful keeper that isn't even a good shot stopper anymore but top reds will tell you how great DAVE SAVES is

Thanks to him we are still in cl spot though.

 

[Asger]

Someone said it right - if he makes a mistake, brace yourselves for 10 more. A liability

Same for Rashford. He is a liability if he doesn’t score goals.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Thanks to him we are still in cl spot though.

Thanks to who?

He's been arguably our worst starter all season.

This myth that De Gea still wins us games needs to die. He's a average shot stopper now and the stats all back it up. And every other part of his game is severely lacking.

 

[Sylar]

I ain't saying nuttin ...

 

[Oranges038]

I ain't saying nuttin ...

Go suck a lemon.

 

[JB7]

He messed up enough on the 2nd and 3rd goal, pinning the blame for the 1st on him is just stupid.

Maguire asked for the ball, he had plenty of space to turn, or backheel the ball into 3 Utd players behind his back. We’ve played that ball all season to Martinez or Casemiro, and if we were to deviate from that pattern of play then that’s on the manager to make that clear if he’s not confident about the replacement for his first choice CBs.

What is clear is that the chuckle brothers combo (inc. De Gea) is just a recipe for disaster, you can get by with that against Forest, but even then it was shaky and nervous at times.

De Gea literally kicked the ball into the ground mate, which is why it was a slow paced, bobbling ball out. I wondered the same as you when I first saw it but it is a terrible pass out. Stop the video as De Gea passes the ball, as it's halfway to Maguire and as Maguire receives it and look at the players around him.

Maguire is obviously at fault, but so is De Gea, massively.

Thanks to him we are still in cl spot though.

What the feck

 

[Asger]

Thanks to who?

He's been arguably our worst starter all season.

This myth that De Gea still wins us games needs to die. He's a average shot stopper now and the stats all back it up. And every other part of his game is severely lacking.

We are terrible to score goals. Almost all our attackers have been bad this season. Nobody has had a great season.

 

[Seij]

Just dire:

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Is he really getting his massive contract renewed? Is our board that daft?

Highest paid GK in the world by a long distance. Can't even get into Spain's 5-men GK list for the WC preliminary squad.

He is the weakest link in the current team if everyone is fit (although that is not a great "IF" with Martial on that team). We are never challenging for the top with him between the goalposts.

 

[tentan]

Sick of him now. Has outstayed and needs to leave.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

We are terrible to score goals. Almost all our attackers have been bad this season. Nobody has had a great season.

A lot have been better than De Gea this season.

 

[Kaos]

To quote Keano - "I'm stick to death of this goalkeeper".

Wish we took a leaf out of Klopp and Pep's ruthless streak and binned him for a proper modern keeper.

 

[The United]

I mean, couldn't he see that there were three opponent players swarming your team member? And then he did nothing but stand where he was.

 

[Asger]

A lot have been better than De Gea this season.

We’re never gonna win PL with any of them. Only Varane, Martinez and Casemiro are good enough.

 

[Phil]

Yeah it’s time for us to move on.

 

[Kaos]

We’re never gonna win PL with any of them. Only Varane, Martinez and Casemiro are good enough.

Bruno? Rashford? Shaw?

We've got plenty of good players capable of playing at the highest level. They're just being brought down by the dross around them. Namely a goalkeeper who can't command his box or play a pass under pressure, and strikers who can't score or stay fit.

 

[Frosty]

Bruno? Rashford? Shaw?

We've got plenty of good players capable of playing at the highest level. They're just being brought down by the dross around them. Namely a goalkeeper who can't command his box or play a pass under pressure, and strikers who can't score or stay fit.

I get infuriated and scared the way he is glued to his line for everything. Although given last night's excursion maybe that explains things. We desperately need a keeper who commands the area and complements the first choice centre backs.

 

[The United]

How come we get the only (possibly) guy who can't pass the ball from Spain when they were doing all the revolutionary Tiki tiki football at that point?

 

[Malone_Post]

Another big game, another Dave disasterclass. But hey, what’s new there? He’s been throwing them in regularly for the past 5 years. Cost us in multiple run ins, semis & finals under Ole and has now done the same for Erik. Absolute trainwreck of a keeper who shouldn’t have been given his last contact, nevermind another one four years later. If we genuinely do renew him I will lose a hell of a lot of faith in ETH. He’s a below average goalkeeper in virtually every aspect of the game. And his best trait, his shot stopping, is no longer at the superhuman level it used to be. Statistically speaking, even that’s average now. We have a shell of a keeper who the opposition know is a weakness and who target him at every opportunity. It’s enough now. He has to go.

I do hope the DDG fan club enjoyed that performance tonight though. They deserved every single second of it.

 

[shamans]

No. That is not what i meant, thats why i wrote i think its 70/30 for Maguire. I blame DDG for passing it to Maguire because he should know better. He should have ignored Maguire asking for the ball. I blame Maguire for the goal because he needs to deal with that pass a lot better.

You dont have to agree. Both messed up. At best i can offer 69/31.

Well here’s some points of data that might change your ratio:

1)The call is De Gea’s in this situation and any decent coach will agree with me. Especially being the goalkeeper he can scan the whole pitch right In front of him. He can’t make passes like a #10 just hoping for the best


2) Ignoring the pass decision, the execution of it was abysmal. Wobbly slow and wrong direction.

now add the context of the rest we already discussed

 

[NewGlory]

Bruno? Rashford? Shaw?

We've got plenty of good players capable of playing at the highest level. They're just being brought down by the dross around them. Namely a goalkeeper who can't command his box or play a pass under pressure, and strikers who can't score or stay fit.

This.

We actually only miss a striker for a fairly strong starting 11. The problem is, you cannot win big trophies with just starting eleven, in modern football. But saying that we only have 3 players that are good enough is untrue

 

[caid]

Well here’s some points of data that might change your ratio:

1)The call is De Gea’s in this situation and any decent coach will agree with me. Especially being the goalkeeper he can scan the whole pitch right In front of him. He can’t make passes like a #10 just hoping for the best


2) Ignoring the pass decision, the execution of it was abysmal. Wobbly slow and wrong direction.

now add the context of the rest we already discussed

Can they not both be a bit crap?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I am absolutely certain ETH is fully aware of De Gea's weaknesses. Because you would need to be extremely stupid not to be, which ETH isn't. These aren't difficult to spot flaws.

The question has always been how much money we can spend this summer to fix our various weaknesses and whether he judges other weaknesses to be higher priority. If funds are limited enough and he has enough other priorities, De Gea gets kept despite the problems ETH will be aware of.

And all the while ETH will (correctly) keep being as positive as possible about him.

The way I see it, his contracting is coming to an end so financially it’s an easy decision to make since you’re saving so much on his wages alone. It’s more whether we are willing to get rid of our GK for the last what’s is 12 years (?). I think it’s an easy decision to make

 

[Big Ben Foster]

How come we get the only (possibly) guy who can't pass the ball from Spain when they were doing all the revolutionary Tiki tiki football at that point?

He was a great passer when we signed him though. It's what he was best known for at the time, to the point where he got the nickname Van der Gea at Atlético.

Somehow that passing ability completely disappeared over the years.

 

[Red_toad]

We’re never gonna win PL with any of them. Only Varane, Martinez and Casemiro are good enough.

2012/13 Dave got his Premier League title, so never isn't the correct word, you're looking at again.

 

[VivaRonaldo85]

De Gea has been so well protected by Martinez, Varane and to an extent Casemiro this season, when you lose that quality of footballer and replace with more average footballers, it breeds errors like tonight. We simply cannot carry a GK any more who falls to pieces when the quality in front of him drops off, not if he’s your captain and/or on £200k a week.

What would take us to the next level of competing for a title is two critical signings. One being a CF (obvious) and the other, a modern ball playing and dominating GK who has the impact that Alisson made when Liverpool signed him. We can improve the quality of the squad in other areas of the pitch fine but if we have any ambition to win a league title in the near future, this goalkeeping conundrum has to be addressed in the summer.

As for De Gea, 12 years service is outstanding and there should be no reason after so long at the club that either party has any issue with an amicable departure from the club.

 

[Isotope]

Yeah. With Raya there, we'd have dominated the passing and scored plenty.
His fecked up on the 3rd goal was the start of our collapse.

 

[Zlatan 7]

DDG getting so much shit but we could have had the best keeper in history tonight and wouldn’t win that game, we had another ten outfield players and couldn’t create a scoring chance in 90 minutes