He would not start for more than half of the other PL clubs.
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Wait, people are having a go at Martial?
The whole team did the square root of feck all in attack between WH’s goal and his substitution, and the few half chances we got at the end were the result of him actually trying to find a breakthrough, and he’s copping the shit?
Rashford has been shit for weeks now, Antony since the Sevilla game, ditto Sancho. The only one who has been ok is Bruno and even he has lost his shooting boots, but let’s pile on the easy target.
He was shit last match (mainly for not taking those two chances) but if you can’t see that he was one of the few who didn’t shit the bed today then there’s no point because your dislike of him afford no room for objectivity.
The whole team did the square root of feck all in attack between WH’s goal and his substitution, and the few half chances we got at the end were the result of him actually trying to find a breakthrough, and he’s copping the shit?
Rashford has been shit for weeks now, Antony since the Sevilla game, ditto Sancho. The only one who has been ok is Bruno and even he has lost his shooting boots, but let’s pile on the easy target.
He was shit last match (mainly for not taking those two chances) but if you can’t see that he was one of the few who didn’t shit the bed today then there’s no point because your dislike of him afford no room for objectivity.
How many goals does not shitting the bed translate to?
Because he's supposed to be a goalscorer and the closest he came to scoring today was glancing a header from five yards just out of reach for another United player and out for a throw-in.
So I don't disagree that isn't an issue but equally these players (particularly the attackers) aren't creative either and really don't look to cross and when they do so it's often quite poor and therefore even if we got a more traditional striker I'm not sure how much service they'd get if the players don't change how they attack. At least Kane is someone who will make the right decision more often than not and be in the right positions when a chance does fall.
For me the biggest thing they could do is stop thinking about their own games so much and more about how they can contribute to the wider attack and I think the easiest way they could do that is be more wiling to make runs behind the ball and create space for each other which they all have the ability to do effectively. Although that said a part of me really isn't sure if the players have the maturity do that, it feels like our challenges in attack are the same regardless of the manager.
I suppose the team looked a bit more dynamic with him and he tried to take on players leading to that nice run. But that bloody header...
Being willing to run at defenders and passes forward instead of backward to begin with.
It wasn’t a stellar performance by any means, but it was the basic we would expect from a player. If our midfield and other forward could find a shred of initiative or creativity between them then he wouldn’t have to spend his time playing on the half way line?
Being a striker in this team is a pretty fecking thankless task, we have midfielders weak against the press and like to try speculative balls over the top, wide forwards who operate on a shoot on sight policy (or in Sancho’s case, pass back on sight), and a no. 10 who likes a pop at goal himself. The team was terminally out of ideas today but we just have to shit on the one who actually tried because he is permanently labeled as lazy and disinterested.
That De Gea blunder has taken attention away from his pathetic miss from that free header at the near post.
Striker for Man United, you’re having a laugh.
Striker for Man United, you’re having a laugh.
I find it shocking when players who have at clubs for years don't improve at specific aspect of the game, Martial has always been bad at heading the ball. It also means like it's a medical condition, that he is doomed to be shit at it for ever whereas you can improve on it, Rashford is the best example. Besides he didn't need to be particularly good at heading for that chance
A part of me feels like he still has another gear left in him if he could only stay healthy. Another, more rational part, says he will probably never be healthy, nor does he have the cut and thrust of player he was at 19 or 20.
Did ok when he came on, which inevitably means the usual suspects will call for him to be given another chance
And that’s the most damning thing. I would expect a professional footballer of any position to be able to make some meaningful contact there.
I have a soft spot for Martial, I admit it. Ever since his debut where he made the Liverpool defence look like a team from the danish 4th division I have liked him.
The sad truth is that is just cannot stay fit and that he isnt always clinical enough.
Honestly I hoped it would work out, but surely now we all see its time to upgrade on him.
The sad truth is that is just cannot stay fit and that he isnt always clinical enough.
Honestly I hoped it would work out, but surely now we all see its time to upgrade on him.
Of the 5-6 players that we tried in our offensive positions yesterday he was probably the best, or least shit depending on how you see it. Rashford and Antony were selfish and very wasteful in the final third, Bruno had an off night (partly because he was playing out of position), Sancho a bit anonymous when he came on and the less I say about Weghorst the better.
He tried to make things happen and was involved in our 2 best chances since he came on.
He’s struggled with form and confidence since he got back from injury and he’s not done enough to get his contract extended, but I thought tonight he was the least of reasons why we lost.
He tried to make things happen and was involved in our 2 best chances since he came on.
He’s struggled with form and confidence since he got back from injury and he’s not done enough to get his contract extended, but I thought tonight he was the least of reasons why we lost.
Even a totally out of form Martial I would prefer to WW any day. He did ok imo. Him and Sancho were the least of the reasons we lost and some people just want to find scapegoats.
He has been here nearly a decade and had 1.5 good seasons, yet people are still talking about him being injury free and gettign right mentally? Anderson was mocked, yet he had a longer period of quality performances than Martial.
We slate the Glazers for the state of the club and opposition fans point to out net spend. The simple truth is one of our biggest errors has been failure in moving players on.
Look at last summer where we had five players leave at the end of there contracts. Three of them shoul dhav ebeen sold a couple of seasons earlier and we are talking £100m worth of transfer fees. This summer we could see similar with DeGea, Jones and Tuanzabe.
And Maguire, Lindelof, Dalot, Fred, Mctominay, Martial....there are others too, we have spend ove £250m on these players....a quarter of a billion pounds....you can add the likes of Bailly and Telles, VDB......yet for some reason, if any of them put in three good performances in a row,they are suddenly great squad options or good enough for the club.
These players have been here years in some cases, stealing a living. None of them have been consistently decent even, let alone justifying the money spent on them. We seem to be accepting mediocrity the last decade.
So many of these players are either not talented enough, not thr right fit, not mentally strong enough, in some cases all three and have crumbled when the going gets tough.
Martial is one of them, the fact he is still better than Wieghorst is literally irrelevant....Wieghorst is one of the worst players to ever wear the shirt.
The fact is simply we have spent very badly the last decade. Just look at the difference a couple of quality signings has made to our side.
This summer its imperative we move on as much of the mediocrity at this club and invest it wisely. We need a new keeper, centre back, central midfielder and two strikers as a bare minimum, I would add two to three more to that. They dont have to be £100m signings, they do need to be quality players though and selling the likes of Martial and several others who have offered little more than "ability" or "a squad option" for years at this club, goes a long way towards that
We slate the Glazers for the state of the club and opposition fans point to out net spend. The simple truth is one of our biggest errors has been failure in moving players on.
Look at last summer where we had five players leave at the end of there contracts. Three of them shoul dhav ebeen sold a couple of seasons earlier and we are talking £100m worth of transfer fees. This summer we could see similar with DeGea, Jones and Tuanzabe.
And Maguire, Lindelof, Dalot, Fred, Mctominay, Martial....there are others too, we have spend ove £250m on these players....a quarter of a billion pounds....you can add the likes of Bailly and Telles, VDB......yet for some reason, if any of them put in three good performances in a row,they are suddenly great squad options or good enough for the club.
These players have been here years in some cases, stealing a living. None of them have been consistently decent even, let alone justifying the money spent on them. We seem to be accepting mediocrity the last decade.
So many of these players are either not talented enough, not thr right fit, not mentally strong enough, in some cases all three and have crumbled when the going gets tough.
Martial is one of them, the fact he is still better than Wieghorst is literally irrelevant....Wieghorst is one of the worst players to ever wear the shirt.
The fact is simply we have spent very badly the last decade. Just look at the difference a couple of quality signings has made to our side.
This summer its imperative we move on as much of the mediocrity at this club and invest it wisely. We need a new keeper, centre back, central midfielder and two strikers as a bare minimum, I would add two to three more to that. They dont have to be £100m signings, they do need to be quality players though and selling the likes of Martial and several others who have offered little more than "ability" or "a squad option" for years at this club, goes a long way towards that
He played ok yesterday but 90% of the posts are still shitting on him. I doubt anyone thinks he’s the solution.Why do posters like you just make stuff up in your head to complain about?Doesn't look remotely motivated but why would he now?
He knows he is done here especially so if we get to the champions League
He knows he is done here especially so if we get to the champions League
He is what he is. A striker with zero killer instinct and no interest in being on the score sheet.
It doesn't matter if we have the best midfield in the world. Martial will still want to stay outside the box and play short, tidy passes that will more often than not get cut out.
And yes, he should be considered as deadwood now. There's nothing new to come from him. His lack of aggression is not good enough for this football club and we need an actual striker that can get on the end of things and score goals.
Can totally see him in ligue 1 within the next couple of seasons assuming he leaves us to one of the serie A clubs (don't think decent La Liga teams will even take a punt after his issues at Sevilla).
Waste of time as a football player.
It doesn't matter if we have the best midfield in the world. Martial will still want to stay outside the box and play short, tidy passes that will more often than not get cut out.
And yes, he should be considered as deadwood now. There's nothing new to come from him. His lack of aggression is not good enough for this football club and we need an actual striker that can get on the end of things and score goals.
Can totally see him in ligue 1 within the next couple of seasons assuming he leaves us to one of the serie A clubs (don't think decent La Liga teams will even take a punt after his issues at Sevilla).
Waste of time as a football player.
About the third time this season where he's glance a header wide from positions even the likes of Antonio and Awoniyi would beg to be put in. His timing of headers is worse than most U-15 players.
Remember that headed goal he scored against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge? Was the most surprised I'd been at a goal for ages. It was one of the most unMartial things Martial has ever done.
I do remember it, such rare was the occurence. It was a good header too
I'd give him a 1 year extension. The reality is if we let both him and WW go (and WW needs to go), we're not going to be able to sign two strikers. Can Martial be a back up? I think so.
You think a player that can't be trusted to be fit when called upon is good backup?
We don't have the budget to sign two strikers.
He's good enough to be a back up with a view of getting rid in summer 2024.
It's not just his health. It is his attitude, which has been dreadful, absolutely dreadful for years now. Ian Wright summed it up by stating that if you are getting dropped for Wout Weghorst, then that pretty much speaks for itself.
Martial should go back to Ligue 1, with a mid-table team. Then again, that may be difficult for him, as the French have a good supply of very bright hungry players. Counts Martial out then.
The reality is with a wage bill even this season in the top three, if not still the highest in the PL, we can’t find one decent Centre Forward let alone 2 or 3 competing to lead our line.
Our ladies team is what 4/5 years old and have proven that a top 3 wage budget in their domestic league allows you to buy good players fighting for the shirt, they may not win the WSL or WFA Cup against a dominating Chelsea , who are very similar in their strength to Pep’s City but they have a plus 42 Goal difference from 20 games played, it means they want to score goals , attack teams and die for the shirt, that’s the United way not like our over indulged pampered pounces driving around in Lamborghini and Ferraris, costing the club ; Martial/250k, Sancho/375k,Rashford/200k, Antony/200k, Weghorst/80k,
Greenwood/100k(*his actions have cost the club and needs to be sold and replaced as currently he’s tarnished the brand, any other club would have got rid and replaced him by now!)
All young men, so we give them the benefit of the doubt, however the only two decent characters within that attacking squad are probably Marcus and Weghorst (Whose useless), both will give everything, Jadon is not a kid anymore and clearly does not have the stomach for the fight, Antony looks hugely overrated and another who is engulfed in his own self ego.
Don’t get me started on Martial, he’s been here far too long already!
That lot cost the club over £1.2m per week in wages or £60m per year and over £200m in transfer fees, more than Brighton’s or Brentford’s complete wage bill for the entire squad and they’ve contributed less than 35 PL goals all season with Marcus scoring half if not more, I have never seen a more entitled set of strikers representing our club that like to talk the talk but only one of them can walk the walk!
Next season Martial should be first out the door, followed by Greenwood, Antony and Weghorst. I’m only keeping Sancho as we can’t replace everyone in one window. We should go buy Ivan Toney and R Hojlund, bring back Amad and use Garnaucho more and look for a genuine elite Left footer right winger like Raphina, Leroy Sane or O Dembele.
Let’s be honest Antony Martial is done at Man United and I doubt he’ll even register an assist or a goal in our last 4 games!
Our ladies team is what 4/5 years old and have proven that a top 3 wage budget in their domestic league allows you to buy good players fighting for the shirt, they may not win the WSL or WFA Cup against a dominating Chelsea , who are very similar in their strength to Pep’s City but they have a plus 42 Goal difference from 20 games played, it means they want to score goals , attack teams and die for the shirt, that’s the United way not like our over indulged pampered pounces driving around in Lamborghini and Ferraris, costing the club ; Martial/250k, Sancho/375k,Rashford/200k, Antony/200k, Weghorst/80k,
Greenwood/100k(*his actions have cost the club and needs to be sold and replaced as currently he’s tarnished the brand, any other club would have got rid and replaced him by now!)
All young men, so we give them the benefit of the doubt, however the only two decent characters within that attacking squad are probably Marcus and Weghorst (Whose useless), both will give everything, Jadon is not a kid anymore and clearly does not have the stomach for the fight, Antony looks hugely overrated and another who is engulfed in his own self ego.
Don’t get me started on Martial, he’s been here far too long already!
That lot cost the club over £1.2m per week in wages or £60m per year and over £200m in transfer fees, more than Brighton’s or Brentford’s complete wage bill for the entire squad and they’ve contributed less than 35 PL goals all season with Marcus scoring half if not more, I have never seen a more entitled set of strikers representing our club that like to talk the talk but only one of them can walk the walk!
Next season Martial should be first out the door, followed by Greenwood, Antony and Weghorst. I’m only keeping Sancho as we can’t replace everyone in one window. We should go buy Ivan Toney and R Hojlund, bring back Amad and use Garnaucho more and look for a genuine elite Left footer right winger like Raphina, Leroy Sane or O Dembele.
Let’s be honest Antony Martial is done at Man United and I doubt he’ll even register an assist or a goal in our last 4 games!
We do, we can sign someone like Thuram or Dembele for free, stop the nonsense
Not to mention no one even knows what our budget will be this summer. Shifting Martial if we can (who is on 250k weekly) also give us funds to replace him
Similarly we signed Casemiro and Eriksen last summer (good business)
No thanks.
How is offering a player who has been fit for realistically 2 months possibly since the start of the season be a good idea? Martial can't be a back up because he's not available for selection, and when he is available a lot of the time he genuinely looks like he doesn't give a flying feck - giving players like this an extension is mind blowing.
I agree WW isn't an option either but a Martial extension isn't either. He who can't be named might be...
We need to be ruthless.
With David, with Phil, and with Tony among others.
With David, with Phil, and with Tony among others.
Yeah I tend to agree. The languid attitude seems have in the past been assuaged by a few impressive goals, but in the absence of those goals, the attitude becomes increasingly infuriating.
Thuram isn’t a striker. He’s a left winger, something we’re stocked well with.
Do you mean Moussa Dembele? How much is he available for?
I’m not saying giving Martial a 1 year extension is the best option, simply it’s one that can allow for short and long term transfer goals.
Dembele out of contract this summer.
Regarding Thuram: https://www.whoscored.com/Players/296322/Show/Marcus-Thuram
250K a week doesn't allow for much flexibility, if we're able to replace Martial with a player on much lower wages it actually gives us more flexibility. The main issue is can we find a way to offload Martial, we certinaly should not be extending him under any circumstances
This is exactly our problem, holding on to players for so long! Martial should've been shipped out years ago, now we're still here talking about keeping him on next year!? feck sake we deserve to be where we are.
Not in a million years.
He has 1 year left anyway, why the feck would we want to give him more money after how much we've already wasted on him.
If we cant find a club stupid enough to take him off our hands in the summer (which we wont) then he can finish his contract as a backup and feck off next summer.
Ok admittedly I didn’t know he had a year left. Thought he was out of contract come the summer.
Even worse
How is this thread still going? There's nothing left to talk about.
What's even worse?
Given him a new contract when we could just release him (since you thought we could this summer)
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