I don't know why Gill is praised. SAF was basically a dictator past the treble. He could do whatever he wanted.
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Would not be surprised if they are still trying to find another bidder. It gives me the impression they are still not satisfied with either bid on the table. That leads me to the one doubt I have about the bid from Qatar - if this is a state sponsored bid I think it would be wrapped up by now.
They don’t need another bidder. They’ve still got two active bidders. The Glazers know that time is their biggest tool now. It’s essentially a game of chicken and they are playing the two parties and waiting for one to bite and give what they want.
When one finally does bite and give them what they want then… they will see if the other can match it and if they can, what the Glazers want will increment a little higher.
Reads like FM to me but do not want to get into an argument about predicting a future which may not even be a possibility yet, so all power to ya, hope you get behind either new owners
doesnt seem like an end in sight and coming up fast on summer. So depressing.
I don't think the Qatari's falling out with the Raine Group has anything to do with dodgy finances. You are dealing with a bidder backed by a oil rich state. Neither will it have anything to do with the fit owners tests, Qatar have a great relationship with Britain.
My guess is the Qataris are used to dealing with people who give them quick answers and say yes to everything. The Raine Group negotiators have probably gotten to comfortable in their position and offended the Qataris in some way.
The Qataris have basically brushed them aside and said in a roundabout way, "We don't answer to you, you are just an employee, we will talk directly to the managers (Glazers)"
My guess is the Qataris are used to dealing with people who give them quick answers and say yes to everything. The Raine Group negotiators have probably gotten to comfortable in their position and offended the Qataris in some way.
The Qataris have basically brushed them aside and said in a roundabout way, "We don't answer to you, you are just an employee, we will talk directly to the managers (Glazers)"
More like experience mate. My country is littered with small clubs and my hometown team is a very small club (although it has a great youth academy)
Go, go ME Karens.
Maybe b/c you really want Qatar to win *shrugs*
Must have been quite humiliating for the Qatar royal family, being outbid by a guy with a with nothing to his name but some second hand road bikes, a topper dinghy and a briefcase full of monopoly money.
No wonder they wanted to speak directly to the Glazers, they couldn't believe what they were hearing.
No wonder they wanted to speak directly to the Glazers, they couldn't believe what they were hearing.
PSG are still on a way better position than Nice.
I think Qatar will hire the best team at United for 2 reasons: first of all, to achieve the European success they haven’t been able to achieve with PSG. Second, because they understand they need they need the best available directives to challenge $hitty’s well oiled machine (pun intended).
The Qatari investment likely isn’t going to go how you think. I’d be surprised if they can spend any more than Ineos in the first seasons too.
Be careful what you wish for Boehly is the benchmark for bottomless pits of cash being shovelled into a team. How has that gone?
Ineoa have appointed the highly rated Blanc, ex PSG, to oversea sports, including their football clubs. They’ve taken the step in the right direction.
Qatar are talking about appointing “ex legends”. Whatever or whomever that means.
PSG appointed Mbappe as some sort of pseudo sports director and currently have fan protests over the owners.
Which sounds worse?
To add to that, bottomless pits of cash have diminishing returns. You can have all the money you want, but at the very top, picking the right manager and players separate the great teams from the good ones, not continually spending.
One has Messi, Neymar, Mbappe and the other has Kasper Schmeichel, Ross Barkley and Aaron Ramsay. Not a hard choice.
Sir Jim obviously bought Nice as a feeder club for when he bought us. A guy like that thinks years ahead.
One is obviously cheating, the other is not
Solid summary. I would even argue that point 1 and 3 are a bit of speculation as well.
At this point we still have no idea what the Glazers actually want, if it's to sell all of their share, most of it, some of it or none of it and get outside investment.
We know nothing about where this process is.
This has been the perfect representation of the Glazers.
We still don’t know if the Qatari investors have ‘bottomless pits of cash’ - that not yet proven. I agree they will be limited, by the rules and existing finances, on squad spending - but the pledge they have given to remove debt and invest in the infrastructure is just as important imo.
He thought he was buying a biscuit company. Stays on here.
I wonder if Champions League qualification is a factor in the Glazers delaying things? They obviously know if we qualify for CL we'd be a lot more attractive for sponsors etc, and they could then, at least, attempt to justify their 6bn price tag? If we fail to qualify for CL, surely the bidders could they say the club would be worth less than what they've already bid?
Not sure at all, just speculating, but if we secure qualification on Thursday, i imagine we'll hear stuff fairly soon
I don't know what qatar will bring but we have a very good idea how ineos operate in football and there I'd absolutely nothing out of it that I like. Nice has no direction, little investment and even their youth academy kind of suck.
Surely the way City are so beyond reproach indicates rules are only for the people that can't afford to challenge them. If Qatar buy the club, "rules" aren't going to stop us spending. It's like taxes, everyone is supposed to pay their dues but we all know if you got the right accountants, your "dues" are significantly less than they should be.
I'd call it a slight preference at this point but I'm not thrilled at either option. Both better than our current regime mind.
I do however think that the Ratcliffe camp tends to jump on reports more than the other way round. With quite ridiculous arguments at times.
This is becoming Orwellian...
City and Chelsea seem to be finding ways…join the gang or we’ll turn into Liverpool of the 90s-00’s etc.
Sadly that’s the way it is. Might be worth mentioning our monopoly in the late 90s /00s and I’m sure we twisted the rules a bit come signing players back in the past as well and now it’s just taken to an new level with offshore company sponsons / hidden wages etc.
We don’t need to break rules if the debt is wiped and the infrastructure is invested in. Post take-over, if it happens, we will be under the most scrutiny of any club in the UK ever.
Our uncertain CL status could well be holding up this deal. Obviously it's not certain yet we are there but it's looking very likely now.
All this stuff about the Glazers delaying and it could well be the bidders wanting to see which European competition we are going to be in before signing the final paperwork. Afterall the money disparity between the EL and CL is said to be significant.
All this stuff about the Glazers delaying and it could well be the bidders wanting to see which European competition we are going to be in before signing the final paperwork. Afterall the money disparity between the EL and CL is said to be significant.
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Yeah, smells like Ratcliff has been given the go-ahead
Sheikh Jassim, the hero OT deserves and the one it needs right now
How have you come to that conclusion then
Based on the abundance of information I can see why you have come to this conclusion
I go the other way. Unless they were waiting for the 11th hour bid then it smells Qatari
Today I smell Qatari
this post sums up this entire thread perfectly. Jesus christ will I be very glad when its all over.Like really? Have you read this thread?
Yeah like others have already said it will most likely be then so there isn't much backlash
Based on that Tweet, I think we can all safely assume that Joel and Avram are staying on as majority owners and overlords of Manchester United.
DOF’s by Modernisation of the club in what? 2000’s and early 2010’s
DoF’s weren’t around then (& if they were they were a rarity,) if I remember correctly, living in fantasy land, he’s not mystic meg.
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